The Gospel Of Salvation

[praise_yeshua]

1. Nothing like that had ever happened.

2. I was hoping you would look it up instead of me posting the whole chapter

Zech 14:

The Day of the Lord​

14 Behold, the day of the Lord is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
The houses rifled,
And the women ravished.
Half of the city shall go into captivity,
But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
3 Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.
5 Then you shall flee through My mountain valley,
For the mountain valley shall reach to Azal.
Yes, you shall flee
As you fled from the earthquake
In the days of Uzziah king of Judah.
Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints withYou.
6 It shall come to pass in that day
That there will be no light;
The lights will diminish.
7 It shall be one day
Which is known to the Lord—
Neither day nor night.
But at evening time it shall happen
That it will be light.
8 And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them towardthe western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the Lord shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The Lord is one,”
And His name one.
10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.

11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
13 It shall come to pass in that day
That a great panic from the Lord will be among them.
Everyone will seize the hand of his neighbor,
And raise his hand against his neighbor’s hand;
14 Judah also will fight at Jerusalem.
And the wealth of all the surrounding nations
Shall be gathered together:
Gold, silver, and apparel in great abundance.
15 Such also shall be the plague
On the horse and the mule,
On the camel and the donkey,
And on all the cattle that will be in those camps.
So shall this plague be.

The Nations Worship the King​

16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the Lord strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

I asked you about timing and you ignore that too. Posting the entire chapter without what you believe about it.... is nonsense.

The onus is upon you to establish what you believe. That requires explaining timing. Saying like "this has ever happened is not true" is not true. It part of Zec 14 has happened in the life of Christ himself.

You are also ignoring what I said about Abraham and the fact you're treating Gentiles that are joint heirs with Christ as second class citizens of Christ by insisting they will not be included with the rule of Christ in Jerusalem. Such is offensive to the teaching of the Gospel and the teaching of Jesus Christ.

I insist you deal with these issues...... Deal with it or talk to someone else.

1. Why didn't Abraham seek Salem but instead sought a city who's builder and maker is God? That city you're saying Christ is going to rule isn't made by God. (TIME LINE.......It was built by Gentiles (Salem) and conquered by Hebrews. Then Hebrews lost it again. They don't have it now. The city is split between owners. You can't build the temple to have your own sacrifices. I could on and on and on about what you don't have so what you believe can actually take place.

2. When are these events going to happen that you insist will take place. First deal with the city itself and then deal with the Scriptures you claim establish what you believe. If you say the city that Christ rules from is Salem and actually not the city Abraham looked for(heavenly).... then by all means tell us about time of these prophesy whereby it proves that Abraham is looking for Salem. Then tell us all if Abraham is going to have to go back to the area where he was born lived/sojourned or is Abraham going to rule and reign with Christ from Salem....?

You're not being honest in this discussion. If you want to debate, then I'm going to call you on your dishonesty by not answering my questions yet insisting that I deal with your claims.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I asked you about timing and you ignore that too. Posting the entire chapter without what you believe about it.... is nonsense.

see how dishonest you are

You ask about timing?

Answer. it has not happened yet (it is yet future)

if you want an exact date, ask Jesus..

But If I remember right, he said even he did not know when it will happen.

 

[praise_yeshua]

see how dishonest you are

You ask about timing?

Answer. it has not happened yet (it is yet future)

if you want an exact date, ask Jesus..

But If I remember right, he said even he did not know when it will happen.

You're not placing these events in the history of the Hebrew people. Saying "these haven't happened yet" is not dealing with what I wrote that shows that you've gotten many logical issues with what you believe.

That is why you're not answering what I ask. You either can't or you know they don't support your view. "it hasn't happened yet" isn't dealing with issue in the context of our discussion.

Appealing to ambiguity as evidence is dishonest. You can answer the questions I asked or say they are irrelevant. If you say they are irrelevant, then I that as "I'm unable" to answer......

As far as being a teacher. If you don't know anything but "ask Jesus"...... then you have a private interpretation. Nothing else.

 

[praise_yeshua]

I'm going to deal with Zec 14 in another thread. I'll link it here in the forum for those who want to participate.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

You're not placing these events in the history of the Hebrew people. Saying "these haven't happened yet" is not dealing with what I wrote that shows that you've gotten many logical issues with what you believe.

That is why you're not answering what I ask. You either can't or you know they don't support your view. "it hasn't happened yet" isn't dealing with issue in the context of our discussion.

Appealing to ambiguity as evidence is dishonest. You can answer the questions I asked or say they are irrelevant. If you say they are irrelevant, then I that as "I'm unable" to answer......

As far as being a teacher. If you don't know anything but "ask Jesus"...... then you have a private interpretation. Nothing else.

ok, I will give it one more try

TELL ME WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPENED

if you can, we will continue

if you can not (which I know you can not) we will move on

 

[praise_yeshua]

ok, I will give it one more try

TELL ME WHEN THOSE THINGS HAPPENED

if you can, we will continue

if you can not (which I know you can not) we will move on

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Thread 'Zechariah 14 and the Gospel'

Jan 13, 2025

There is no understanding of end time events and prophecy without placing those events within the context of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the CENTER of all things. There is this false gospel that exits that promotes the "other children of Abraham" as having promises that do not require Jesus Christ. All the promises of God require Jesus Christ. All of them.

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

I include this thread in this area of the forum for that reason. This isn't just...

• praise_yeshua
• Replies: 29
• Forum: The Gospel

I don't need you to try anything. You're a novice. You're not a teacher. Why should I listen to you? The fact is true that you can't deal with the simplest of things.

If you really wanted to discuss this, you would answer my questions. You can't because you've never ran into anyone that actually knows this like I do.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

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Thread 'Zechariah 14 and the Gospel'

Jan 13, 2025

There is no understanding of end time events and prophecy without placing those events within the context of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is the CENTER of all things. There is this false gospel that exits that promotes the "other children of Abraham" as having promises that do not require Jesus Christ. All the promises of God require Jesus Christ. All of them.

2Co 1:20 For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

I include this thread in this area of the forum for that reason. This isn't just...

• praise_yeshua
• Replies: 29
• Forum: The Gospel

I don't need you to try anything. You're a novice. You're not a teacher. Why should I listen to you? The fact is true that you can't deal with the simplest of things.

If you really wanted to discuss this, you would answer my questions. You can't because you've never ran into anyone that actually knows this like I do.

so you can not show me when these things happened (because they have not)

its obvious you do not understand prophetic language. prophecy is God telling prophets things which will come to pass. so that when they do. those living Can know that the God of Israel proclaimed it. and believe in him.

When you have to say these things will not happen. in order to help you r belief system.. well your in serious danger. Because you will never see what God will do

 

[praise_yeshua]

so you can not show me when these things happened (because they have not)

its obvious you do not understand prophetic language. prophecy is God telling prophets things which will come to pass. so that when they do. those living Can know that the God of Israel proclaimed it. and believe in him.

When you have to say these things will not happen. in order to help you r belief system.. well your in serious danger. Because you will never see what God will do

I'm dealing with the issue. I'm teaching. You need to understand what you don't understand.

As far as timing is concerned. Jesus Christ has been highly exalted and given a name with is above every name. The Father isn't dragging what you think a "Jew" is to the Jesus. You will either come to him of your freewill or you will die in your sins. You have no promises without Jesus Christ. Yet, you teach that others do.

 

[e v e]

No, our souls were non-existent until we were naturally born of our mother. The Bible tells us that only Adam, Eve, the serpent, and possibly, God Himself were in Eden - He may have been speaking to them without actually being in Eden.

I have no idea about your soul, but I was born in God's reality. my soul came to be in God, not as this body.

I'm not really bothered by your opinion... not even arguing. Just saying: it does not apply to me. It also explains why being rescued is a matter of the soul, not the flesh saying xyz or doing xyz. The soul is who agrees with God, asks for forgiveness etc. Nothing here, certainly not this fleshbody, will enter paradise, only the soul.

 

[e v e]

Actually, the King James Version is one of the most accurate - it has nothing to do with sorcery. There are a few others that are good also.
Being evangelical simply means that one is in agreement with the four gospels, which is a GOOD thing - NOT nonsense at all.

The KJV like modern bibles came from septuagint and the septuagint was commissioned and its scribes vetted by a total follower of Greek heathen religion, Ptolemy II. So sure, it is 'accurate' but it was from the very first being penned - corrupt. What Daniel calls the Sealed Vision.

 

[e v e]

I say the following out of love and concern.

All Scripture is inspired of God,

certainly His words In Heaven are His Words...but all the written down texts on this earth are the Sealed Vision. Corrupt scroll.

and by rejecting the inspiration of the Bible that you call "corrupt," and denying it's clearly stated truth that we are adopted children of God, and professing some kind of Pre-Conception Existence Theology of self-righteousness, you have denied Adam and Eve as our delegated authority.

Adam is working for the Evil realm and is not my authority! Adam betrayed God and is only authority over evil demon nations and Esau type 'adopted serpent souls' . Adam is prince of the air, of this world...

4 But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law,
5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal. 4:4-5 NKJ)

Corrupt.

Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin,
and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned-- (Rom. 5:12 NKJ)

The Sin is this body itself, the nature here, flesh and all its lust and needs and wants. If you are in a body, then that means you too.

I hope you realize and take seriously if we reject the only Savior that God offers us in Scripture, there is no other Savior left, and the Lord Jesus will have to reject us and cast us into eternal hellfire for resisting his revelation and substituting our own.

The savior you are following is Adam, who directed the corrupt Scroll. True, I do not follow Adam. Modern Christianity is the Adam Church... and is Anti Christ = against Christ.

Thank you for the concern.

 

[Dizerner]

Corrupt.

Thank you for the concern.

I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.

 

[e v e]

I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.

Let's leave to Christ to know what is the 'confusion', no? Only Christ CAN judge.

You'd know if you'd talked to me, that I've said on this forum that Christ our Deity incarnated on this earth and made possible for Eden souls to be restored to Him and to our Original Paradise. That said, yes, my view is not modern christianity.

The evil realm tortured Him not only here, but also in the other reality.

He incarnated here the same way we did, going through Daniel's oven situation, which was torture, and which the commentaries have no clue.

This torture in Daniel's oven is described in hieroglyphs. There, the texts tell how the evil realm and all its serpent souls not from God gloat of the (for now) victory over Eden and that torture of us.... after Adam betrayed God and us.

That is how I would phrase it.

He will get all of us who are His souls out of this dungeon. And I plead Him every day for this , to meet Him on the clouds with all the sons and daughters and that the sons will restore Eden and rule her with Him very soon.

As for Adam.. he is not a model of anything other than evil. The isaiah chapter claimed to be about Lucifer is about Adam.

 

[e v e]

so you can not show me when these things happened (because they have not)

its obvious you do not understand prophetic language. prophecy is God telling prophets things which will come to pass. so that when they do. those living Can know that the God of Israel proclaimed it. and believe in him.

When you have to say these things will not happen. in order to help you r belief system.. well your in serious danger. Because you will never see what God will do

Most of the OT refers to events that transpired in the other reality and events that will be at end times, as prophecy, in relation to the other reality where eden was and where are the different regions of the demon nations which they made after making Eden fall.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Most of the OT refers to events that transpired in the other reality and events that will be at end times, as prophecy, in relation to the other reality where eden was and where are the different regions of the demon nations which they made after making Eden fall.

I've long been interested in what you have to say. I disagree with many things but I've tried to be mindful of other voices. I've learned things from many different things in my life. We can all learn. We haven't arrived yet even though I often act like it.....

 

[e v e]

I've long been interested in what you have to say. I disagree with many things but I've tried to be mindful of other voices. I've learned things from many different things in my life. We can all learn. We haven't arrived yet even though I often act like it.....

Thank you... well...

I often go through periods of never talking to anyone on forums in recent years... which is okay of course, if that is how someone feels... It's best to talk to those one wants to talk to.

Literally I am off in my cave far from the village most of the time and I don't mind it.

I was just telling someone the same last night, about learning from others what they believe on this and the other forum, just by much reading of many posts and by that understanding more clearly what I believe and they believe, and yes, arriving at the startling conclusion that my interpretations of every theme are really far away from that of others.

The main thing for me is never ever to lessen or belittle God, His Son, His Spirit or other souls of Him... Not by jokes or by arguing over things... it's a reason I don't debate but I am willing to talk about things, and yes I have been wrong a lot on the other forum especially, and was relieved the site crashed twice, erasing all my posts. ; ) Ha ha. I feel I am phrasing my thoughts much better these days and am less afraid of saying something that someone will not like.

All I care about now is that all His sons and daughters will meet Christ on the clouds soon... and all the ugly aspects of the current world will cease for ever. I don't feel I have arrived either - that would mean being on the clouds with Christ !

Hopefully very soon He will come and get us out of here. Thank you for your kind thoughts.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Thank you... well...

I often go through periods of never talking to anyone on forums in recent years... which is okay of course, if that is how someone feels... It's best to talk to those one wants to talk to.

Literally I am off in my cave far from the village most of the time and I don't mind it.

I was just telling someone the same last night, about learning from others what they believe on this and the other forum, just by much reading of many posts and by that understanding more clearly what I believe and they believe, and yes, arriving at the startling conclusion that my interpretations of every theme are really far away from that of others.

The main thing for me is never ever to lessen or belittle God, His Son, His Spirit or other souls of Him... Not by jokes or by arguing over things... it's a reason I don't debate but I am willing to talk about things, and yes I have been wrong a lot on the other forum especially, and was relieved the site crashed twice, erasing all my posts. ; ) Ha ha. I feel I am phrasing my thoughts much better these days and am less afraid of saying something that someone will not like.

All I care about now is that all His sons and daughters will meet Christ on the clouds soon... and all the ugly aspects of the current world will cease for ever. I don't feel I have arrived either - that would mean being on the clouds with Christ !

Hopefully very soon He will come and get us out of here. Thank you for your kind thoughts.

I so want that two sister.....I've heard it said the fruit of a Christian is another Christian. We have some more to make. Soon enough it will time for us to all celebrate.

 

[e v e]

I so want that two sister.....I've heard it said the fruit of a Christian is another Christian. We have some more to make. Soon enough it will time for us to all celebrate.

yes...


that is so sweet ...

 

[e v e]

Imagine all the sons soon anointed of Him and sealed to Christ and ruling our Home with Christ..
wow...

will be such joy ... wondering what bands can make it to play music .. lol. anyway... here is a pretty song. I always thing of the context of it as that of going home to our very cozy reality with God and many adorable souls of Him and none of us have any cares or worries...

the live versions are nice too...

 

[e v e]

I hope you have, despite your severe confusion, placed all of your trust and hope in the fact that Christ Jesus suffered the penalty of your sins on the Cross and rose again after three days, to grant us by grace the gift we could never deserve of eternal life to worship him in heaven.

Always wishing the best.

don't feel bad dizerner

He is sweet and will repair all His lovely souls.