The Gospel Of Salvation

[civic]

The gospel in a nutshell

In John 3, Jesus tells us we must be born again. He explains what this means to Nicodemus because Nicodemus was confused. In the end. Nicodemus asks the question we should all ask.

9 Nicodemus answered and said to Him, “How can these things be?”

In other words. How can I be born again

Jesus response

10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?

First off it is quite telling. Jesus in effect says that he should already know this. how one is born again and why. Especially since he was a teacher of Israel

11 Most assuredly, I say to you, We speak what We know and testify what We have seen, and you do not receive Our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things? 13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness,

as with many times, Jesus uses an old testament example to show a point, He mentions the time Moses lifted a serpent.

When we look back. We see The children of Israel walked into a bunch of snakes. and were being bitten. Because of these bites. the people were basically given a death sentence. They were hopeless. and unless something was done, they would all die. so they cried out.

God told moses to make this serpent of bronze. Put it on a pole. and lift it up. Whoever looked would live, whoever did not would die

Now think about this. You know your dyeing, You know everyone around you is dyeing, and you are asked to trust in this bronze serpent. As if it is going to save you (this takes alot of faith.

Those who had this faith and looked lived
Those who did not have this faith either thought they could save themselves. or did not think they were in danger, or hated god so much they would not give him the time of day, and in the end, suffered their fate as their death sentence (by poison) was carried out, all because of their rebellion

so this sets up for what Jesus is going to do. the thing that CAN save us


even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

1. So in like manner, he would be lifted up on a pole (the cross)
2. Whoever in faith looked to this cross for salvation would life
3. Whoever does not (unbelief) will die
They suffer unbelief because again, they either do not think they are dying, they think they can WORK to save themselves. or they hate God so much, they will doing anything (in effect hide the truth about God in their hearts and deny him as shown in romans 1)
4. interesting to note that Jesus said he came not to judge THE WORLD. But he came that the WORLD MIGHT BE SAVED. - Like the serpent, could have saved all people. the cross is able to save all mankind. But it does not mean all mankind will recieve it.

Jesus finishes with a statement of fact.

18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

As with the children of Israel, we are all under condemnation. we have been given the death sentence. He who believes, trust Go9ds provision, will not suffer the condemnation, their death sentence is lifted.

Those who do not believe will in the end if they do not repent. suffer their death sentence. or their condemnation will come to fruition. John calls this in revelation the second death

Excellent and welcome !!!

 

[Dizerner]

All of you do realize there is more than one gospel in Scripture.

I can name off five in one hand. Even more if I spend time on the question. Don't be so narrow-minded to ignore and overlook God's goodness with many people that He has been good to in the Scripture record.

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal. 1:6-9 NKJ)

 

[jeremiah1five]

6 I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel,
7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
(Gal. 1:6-9 NKJ)

Do you even understand what Saul is addressing in these words? I really don't think so.

Go ahead, explain what Saul is saying. What "another" gospel is in view here, and what is the comparison?

Do you know?

 

[Dizerner]

Paul. Not "Saul."

 

[jeremiah1five]

Paul. Not "Saul."

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:4.

Don't get too wrapped up in Gentile perspectives. In order to interpret and understand the Hebrew Scripture you must do so with a Hebrew mindset, not a Gentile mindset.
And as a follower of Jesus don't you want to do as He does and say what He says? To do otherwise is to oppose Him. Remember, Gentiles handled the scrolls and were the ones to put these texts together. Do you even know the main reason why they did this?

But let's not get off subject. Answer my question. What "another" gospel is in view here? Do you know ??

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

All of you do realize there is more than one gospel in Scripture.

I can name off five in one hand. Even more if I spend time on the question. Don't be so narrow-minded to ignore and overlook God's goodness with many people that He has been good to in the Scripture record.

when you say this, do you mean there is at least 5 ways to heaven?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Excellent and welcome !!!

thank you

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you even understand what Saul is addressing in these words? I really don't think so.

Go ahead, explain what Saul is saying. What "another" gospel is in view here, and what is the comparison?

Do you know?

6 marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually prety clear.

He marvels that they quickly turn to a different gospel The word here is Heteron which means another, a different in kind,

then he states emphatically, it is not another, the word here is Allo - another, one besides, another of a type

Meaning he is specifically saying they were believing or turning to a differnt kind of Gospel. which is not a replacement gospel. It is not this way or that way.

Then he states emphatically. If we (he includes himself) or an an angel in heaven preach any other gospel to you, let him be accursed

Accursed comes from the word anathema - which means something is cursed, damned, devoted to destruction.

This is the most harsh form of discipline one could call for. the eternal damnation of anyone

Paul is not playing games here, he is direct and to the point

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:4.

Don't get too wrapped up in Gentile perspectives. In order to interpret and understand the Hebrew Scripture you must do so with a Hebrew mindset, not a Gentile mindset.
And as a follower of Jesus don't you want to do as He does and say what He says? To do otherwise is to oppose Him. Remember, Gentiles handled the scrolls and were the ones to put these texts together. Do you even know the main reason why they did this?

But let's not get off subject. Answer my question. What "another" gospel is in view here? Do you know ??

Saul, who was also called Paul.

from that point forward. he was called Paul in scripture.

at the time paul wrote the words you both are discussing, he was called paul.

Gal 1: 1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,

Ie paul himself called himself Paul. why would we not do the same?

 

[jeremiah1five]

when you say this, do you mean there is at least 5 ways to heaven?

There is only ONE way "to heaven." It begins in the Mind of God BEFORE He created anything.
Then, we know God deemed a people in His Mind and then "wrote their names in a book of life" which isn't really a book but is Christ Himself.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13: 8.

It is here where His foreknowledge of 'us' is made. Then, God began creating...

The word "gospel" means "good news." Now, don't you think there is more than just the one "good news" in the Bible? Isn't it good news to Hannah that she would finally have a child?
Isn't it "good news" that Israel was soon to be delivered from their bondage? Isn't it "good news" that God told Joshua to enter Canaan and take the land God said to take? There are countless "good news" that God visited upon His people as a nation and upon individuals and the "good news" about Messiah is only one of them?

 

[jeremiah1five]

6 marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, 7 which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Paul is actually prety clear.

He marvels that they quickly turn to a different gospel The word here is Heteron which means another, a different in kind,

then he states emphatically, it is not another, the word here is Allo - another, one besides, another of a type

Meaning he is specifically saying they were believing or turning to a differnt kind of Gospel. which is not a replacement gospel. It is not this way or that way.

Then he states emphatically. If we (he includes himself) or an an angel in heaven preach any other gospel to you, let him be accursed

Accursed comes from the word anathema - which means something is cursed, damned, devoted to destruction.

This is the most harsh form of discipline one could call for. the eternal damnation of anyone

Paul is not playing games here, he is direct and to the point

When you get into the new-age, modern-day translations then you run into problems. Stay with the Authorized Version. It's Authorized for a reason.

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 1:6–9.

There are two Greek words here translated as "another/other." They are "heteros" and "allos."

Do you know the significance?

 

[Dizerner]

But let's not get off subject. Answer my question. What "another" gospel is in view here? Do you know ??

ANY other, lol.

He is not just talking about generic "good news," here, this is the name given to God's offer of salvation.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

There is only ONE way "to heaven." It begins in the Mind of God BEFORE He created anything.
Then, we know God deemed a people in His Mind and then "wrote their names in a book of life" which isn't really a book but is Christ Himself.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. Rev. 13: 8.

It is here where His foreknowledge of 'us' is made. Then, God began creating...

The word "gospel" means "good news." Now, don't you think there is more than just the one "good news" in the Bible? Isn't it good news to Hannah that she would finally have a child?
Isn't it "good news" that Israel was soon to be delivered from their bondage? Isn't it "good news" that God told Joshua to enter Canaan and take the land God said to take? There are countless "good news" that God visited upon His people as a nation and upon individuals and the "good news" about Messiah is only one of them?

thank you for the confirmation.

When we say gospel in Christianity, It usually means the good news of Jesus concerning salvation.

with this there is only one gospel. as in 1 true gospels.. As for how many gospel which are preached concerning this, I can agree with you there are many.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Saul, who was also called Paul.

from that point forward. he was called Paul in scripture.

at the time paul wrote the words you both are discussing, he was called paul.

Gal 1: 1 Paul, an apostle (not from men nor through man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father who raised Him from the dead), 2 and all the brethren who are with me,

Ie paul himself called himself Paul. why would we not do the same?

Yes, because the Gentiles that put the NT together made the switch. The bottom line is that Gentiles put together these scrolls that would become the NT. In order to understand the "Gentiles" in the equation where salvation is concerned you have to look at several things: The Hebrew Scripture, Israel's history, their culture, the politics, etc. And you have to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Scripture cannot be broken." Understand first salvation according to the Scripture before you get into the NT writings.

Now, on the subject of Saul/Paul, Saul is his Hebrew name, and the name Jesus addressed him as. "Paul" is the Romanized version of "Saul." I prefer to use his Hebrew name, and the name Jesus addressed him as. After all, salvation is of the Jews, right?

 

[Dizerner]

The NT IS Scripture.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

When you get into the new-age, modern-day translations then you run into problems. Stay with the Authorized Version. It's Authorized for a reason.

1st off, I went to the greek
2nd, I quoted a NKJV really is no different, the only difference I see is the auth KJV uses another twice instead of different for one and another the second one.

There are two greek words. so I would suggest the nkjv is actually more accurate

and PS, I would not trust any English bible completely. I would always look to the original languages when there is any question

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal. 1:6–9.

There are two Greek words here translated as "another/other." They are "heteros" and "allos."

Do you know the significance?

did you read my post?

I explained this in my post.

 

[jeremiah1five]

thank you for the confirmation.

When we say gospel in Christianity, It usually means the good news of Jesus concerning salvation.

with this there is only one gospel. as in 1 true gospels.. As for how many gospel which are preached concerning this, I can agree with you there are many.

Yes, I get it, but I am not narrow-minded. Terminology is important and it matters when we get into the subject. As long as we are not "locked in" when we present what is written in Scripture. Genesis 3:15 spoken by God to the serpent is "good news." It was such "good news" (gospel) that Adam changed the name of the woman to "Eve" which means "mother of all living." Before that she was mother of all things dead before God spoke up and made promise.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Yes, because the Gentiles that put the NT together made the switch.

Um no. Again, in the original greek test. Acts 13: 9 called him saulos, which is also called paulos

The bottom line is that Gentiles put together these scrolls that would become the NT. In order to understand the "Gentiles" in the equation where salvation is concerned you have to look at several things: The Hebrew Scripture, Israel's history, their culture, the politics, etc. And you have to understand what Jesus meant when He said, "Scripture cannot be broken." Understand first salvation according to the Scripture before you get into the NT writings.

Now, on the subject of Saul/Paul, Saul is his Hebrew name, and the name Jesus addressed him as. "Paul" is the Romanized version of "Saul." I prefer to use his Hebrew name, and the name Jesus addressed him as. After all, salvation is of the Jews, right?

Paul was the apostle sent to the gentiles. He wrote to the gentiles.

I do not understand your problem with this

 

[jeremiah1five]

ANY other, lol.

He is not just talking about generic "good news," here, this is the name given to God's offer of salvation.

There is no "offer of salvation." God has covenant with Abraham and his Hebrew seed. All Jesus is with regard to Scripture promises is just a part of the overall plan of God to bring about fulfillment of His Promises to His Covenant people. It began in the Garden, and if you follow the bloodlines of those who were obedient to God and those who were not, by the time you get to Abraham and the promises God made to his, then what follows in Scripture is a history of God's acts towards fulfilling His Promises. His plan to save the Hebrew people begins with one man: Abram the Hebrew (Gen. 14:13.)

The Abraham Covenant is between God, Abram the Hebrew, and with Abram's Hebrew seed.
The Mosaic Covenant is between God and the children of Israel.
The New Covenant is between God and the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

That's it. From Scripture I find no covenant or promises of salvation to non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But why did it stop there? Jacob had twelve sons by four women. Ishmael had twelve sons by several women. Although these are the seed of Abraham (and Ishmael and Esau), the promises went to Isaac, not Ishmael. But there is only three covenants of any real import. And if you follow what's called "Redemptive History" and you are honest with Scripture, then you would realize as I do that God has made no covenants or promises with any non-Hebrews. "Non-Hebrews" means "Gentiles."

 

[Dizerner]

There is no "offer of salvation."

What are you, a Calvinist? Of course there is an offer of salvation. All day long he stretches out his hands.

That's it. From Scripture I find no covenant or promises of salvation to non-Hebrew Gentiles. None.

What. His salvation reaches to the ends of the earth. I recommend reading Romans 10 and 11.

God is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. But why did it stop there?

I believe it is to reflect the Triune nature of God, but this is another topic altogether.

And if you follow what's called "Redemptive History" and you are honest with Scripture, then you would realize as I do that God has made no covenants or promises with any non-Hebrews. "Non-Hebrews" means "Gentiles."

I AM the seed of Abraham, and his promise applies to ME.

28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. (Gal. 3:28-29 NKJ)

You are in grave error, and I recommend you start being "honest" with this Scripture.