The Gospel Of Salvation

[jeremiah1five]

God saw His Covenant People Dead in Sin, why you think He sent Christ to redeem thm ?

He sent Christ to redeem them who was deemed by God before He created heaven, earth, and man. I told you God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself and this went right over your head. This means that before creation there was nothing but God. Can you imagine it? It's very difficult but one can see the shadow and not the reality which exudes the shadow. Isaiah says, "there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to No One. With this in hand one can see that if God wanted to create a being such as man, He could not do it in Himself since there is only Him existing. So, to do this required Him to create heaven and earth - creation/universe.

Consider it His petri dish - creation. And now that He created the universe, He can now create man with the end purpose of bringing man to His level of eternity, holiness, and righteousness that He possesses. But He could not create man holy, sinless, or righteous. He could only create man "sinful" or as the word is defined, "missing the mark." What is this "mark"? The standard of God Himself. He could not reduplicate Himself in order for this being to exist at His level (Isaiah's second truth: "there is NONE like Him.") So, with the universe as His petri dish He can now create man but man in his existence would be created fallen short of His glory (Isaiah's third truth: "He gives His glory to No One.") and this means the man would be fallen short of His perfect, holy glory.

The plan is to bring man to His level of existence that He can comfortably accept when standing next to Him (Isaiah's first truth: "there is only One God.") This is why the man sinned. It was because he was created fallen short of the glory of God. The word for this is "sinful" (missing the mark.) This plan required a sacrifice, but a sacrifice that would be joined to the man enough that this puny, sinful man could exist alongside a perfect, holy, and righteous God. But man's redemption is not in the hand of man to perform or accomplish. Salvation/redemption is totally in the hand of God and this destroys the false belief I have been posting against with regard to Romans 10:9-10 NOT being a salvation formula because it takes away from a Sovereign God to prerogative of who He chooses to save and those He chooses not to save. But He has made it so that a people can be saved, and that people are the Hebrew people and only through covenant. This excludes non-Hebrew Gentiles. God's plan and Scripture, Jesus said, cannot be broken. The man ordained to salvation is passive in this redemption for God has already deemed a people to salvation and that people's names are written in His book of life and that book is Jesus Christ, Israel's Savior, Lord, and King. And He does this through covenant (promises.) But this people are sinful and cannot on their own stand without blame before a Holy God. There must be a Mediator who can bridge this awesome gap. Man (Adam) sinned because he was created a sinner (fallen short/sinful) but this began in time God's plan of redemption for these named and ordained individuals in His "book" of life. God is not waiting around to see who will accept Jesus (confess with their mouth, etc.), God is actively taking out a people for Himself. And, sorry to say, but this includes the Hebrew seed of Abraham excluding anyone who is not Abraham's seed (Gen. 17:6-7.)

In order to do this (create man and make man able to stand before His awesome Presence) there needed to be a Mediator, One who would pay the penalty for sin and sinfulness in God's creation. God's own Son (of the Trinity) was called upon to do this. Sacrifice, substitutionary sacrifice was used to perform bringing man far enough to God's level so that God can later do away with time and space (universe) and His creation (man) capable of existing on an eternal level with God. Have you ever heard of "hid in Christ"? It doesn't mean "hid in Jesus", but hid in Christ (Heb. "anointing", referring to His Spirit (third Person of Trinity.) I have such a very high view of God, even higher than what others see of God that agrees with what Habakkuk said, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity" and that's what man is in His sight which when a substitution is intervening between both He and us we become bearable in His sight but only through Christ ("anointing"/Spirit.) God can only experience us as saved individuals through Christ, and we experience God through Christ. God doesn't see us directly but through His Son while we are hid in Christ. Even as saved and converted individuals we cannot look upon God directly or we die. We can only do this through Christ. Now, I said all this in order to say again the following. From God's plan-ful perspective He contemplated us as saved, redeemed, holy, and sinless individuals. He's never seen us as dead or sinful. It's impossible for God to contemplate us in this condition because before God created heaven, earth, and man He sacrificed a lamb in the heavenly Tabernacle and then went about with this end result in mind as He created everything which is the universe.
"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity."

And that is why I say God never seen us as sinners or dead in trespass and sin. That is the human perspective of ourselves towards ourselves. We are in the gutter and we see ourselves in the gutter, but not God. He never contemplated us as such. Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity. If you want to fault me for having such an exalted view of God, then so be it. But that just so happens how high a view I have of my God.

 

[brightfame52]

@jeremiah1five

He sent Christ to redeem them who was deemed by God before He created heaven, earth, and man. I told you God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself and this went right over your head. This means that before creation there was nothing but God. Can you imagine it? It's very difficult but one can see the shadow and not the reality which exudes the shadow. Isaiah says, "there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to No One. With this in hand one can see that if God wanted to create a being such as man, He could not do it in Himself since there is only Him existing. So, to do this required Him to create heaven and earth - creation/universe.

God saw His Covenant People Dead in Sin, why you think He sent Christ to redeem them ?

Also and more importantly, you deny the Gospel and the atoning death of Christ because you make ethnic distinctions in the New Covenant economy, which the atoning death of Christ abolished according to Paul Eph 2:11-22


11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

18 For through him[Christ] we both[jew/gentile] have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

Commentary:

Gentiles who believe the gospel become "fellow heirs" with the faithful Jews. They do not make up a separate body, but they become "fellow heirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel ..." Eph. 3:6. The Gentiles, "being a wild olive tree, were graffed in among them [the Jews], and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree . . . " Rom. 11:17. Once "aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise," the Gentiles are "made nigh by the blood of Christ." Eph. 2:12, 13. Being now children of Abraham, part of the commonwealth of Israel and partakers of God's promises to Israel, believing Gentiles make up "the house of Israel" to whom the new covenant promise is given:

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people . . . Heb. 8:10.

The Israel of God are all those who are in Jesus Christ, the Seed of Abraham, the King of the Jews, the One to whom the promises were made. And in Jesus Christ all national distinctions are broken down. ". . . there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek . . ." Rom. 10:12."... ye are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28. "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism . . ." Eph 4:4,5. Therefore, in the things of the gospel any national distinctions deny the reality of the atonement of Jesus Christ (Eph. 2:14-17) and are a Judaizing perversion of the New Testament message. https://www.presenttruthmag.com/archive/XIV/14-8.htm

 

[brightfame52]

He sent Christ to redeem them who was deemed by God before He created heaven, earth, and man. I told you God cannot reduplicate Himself in Himself and this went right over your head. This means that before creation there was nothing but God. Can you imagine it? It's very difficult but one can see the shadow and not the reality which exudes the shadow. Isaiah says, "there is only ONE God, there is NONE like Him, and He gives His glory to No One. With this in hand one can see that if God wanted to create a being such as man, He could not do it in Himself since there is only Him existing. So, to do this required Him to create heaven and earth - creation/universe.

Consider it His petri dish - creation. And now that He created the universe, He can now create man with the end purpose of bringing man to His level of eternity, holiness, and righteousness that He possesses. But He could not create man holy, sinless, or righteous. He could only create man "sinful" or as the word is defined, "missing the mark." What is this "mark"? The standard of God Himself. He could not reduplicate Himself in order for this being to exist at His level (Isaiah's second truth: "there is NONE like Him.") So, with the universe as His petri dish He can now create man but man in his existence would be created fallen short of His glory (Isaiah's third truth: "He gives His glory to No One.") and this means the man would be fallen short of His perfect, holy glory.

The plan is to bring man to His level of existence that He can comfortably accept when standing next to Him (Isaiah's first truth: "there is only One God.") This is why the man sinned. It was because he was created fallen short of the glory of God. The word for this is "sinful" (missing the mark.) This plan required a sacrifice, but a sacrifice that would be joined to the man enough that this puny, sinful man could exist alongside a perfect, holy, and righteous God. But man's redemption is not in the hand of man to perform or accomplish. Salvation/redemption is totally in the hand of God and this destroys the false belief I have been posting against with regard to Romans 10:9-10 NOT being a salvation formula because it takes away from a Sovereign God to prerogative of who He chooses to save and those He chooses not to save. But He has made it so that a people can be saved, and that people are the Hebrew people and only through covenant. This excludes non-Hebrew Gentiles. God's plan and Scripture, Jesus said, cannot be broken. The man ordained to salvation is passive in this redemption for God has already deemed a people to salvation and that people's names are written in His book of life and that book is Jesus Christ, Israel's Savior, Lord, and King. And He does this through covenant (promises.) But this people are sinful and cannot on their own stand without blame before a Holy God. There must be a Mediator who can bridge this awesome gap. Man (Adam) sinned because he was created a sinner (fallen short/sinful) but this began in time God's plan of redemption for these named and ordained individuals in His "book" of life. God is not waiting around to see who will accept Jesus (confess with their mouth, etc.), God is actively taking out a people for Himself. And, sorry to say, but this includes the Hebrew seed of Abraham excluding anyone who is not Abraham's seed (Gen. 17:6-7.)

In order to do this (create man and make man able to stand before His awesome Presence) there needed to be a Mediator, One who would pay the penalty for sin and sinfulness in God's creation. God's own Son (of the Trinity) was called upon to do this. Sacrifice, substitutionary sacrifice was used to perform bringing man far enough to God's level so that God can later do away with time and space (universe) and His creation (man) capable of existing on an eternal level with God. Have you ever heard of "hid in Christ"? It doesn't mean "hid in Jesus", but hid in Christ (Heb. "anointing", referring to His Spirit (third Person of Trinity.) I have such a very high view of God, even higher than what others see of God that agrees with what Habakkuk said, "Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity" and that's what man is in His sight which when a substitution is intervening between both He and us we become bearable in His sight but only through Christ ("anointing"/Spirit.) God can only experience us as saved individuals through Christ, and we experience God through Christ. God doesn't see us directly but through His Son while we are hid in Christ. Even as saved and converted individuals we cannot look upon God directly or we die. We can only do this through Christ. Now, I said all this in order to say again the following. From God's plan-ful perspective He contemplated us as saved, redeemed, holy, and sinless individuals. He's never seen us as dead or sinful. It's impossible for God to contemplate us in this condition because before God created heaven, earth, and man He sacrificed a lamb in the heavenly Tabernacle and then went about with this end result in mind as He created everything which is the universe.
"Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity."

And that is why I say God never seen us as sinners or dead in trespass and sin. That is the human perspective of ourselves towards ourselves. We are in the gutter and we see ourselves in the gutter, but not God. He never contemplated us as such. Thou art of purer eyes than to behold evil, And canst not look on iniquity. If you want to fault me for having such an exalted view of God, then so be it. But that just so happens how high a view I have of my God.

God saw His Covenant People Dead in Sin, why you think He sent Christ to redeem them ?