The Gospel Of Salvation
- Thread starter Grace ambassador
- Start date
jeremiah1five
Well-known member
From the perspective of man, then yes, death is part of it.
From God's perspective He contemplated His elect as a people alive. There is no death in God. They became "lost" when He blew them into the loins of Adam through his nostrils.
So, perspective plays a part in interpreting Scripture.
jeremiah1five
Well-known member
Good Lord. Learn to read and comprehend:
23 But before faith came, we [JEWS] were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our [JEWS] schoolmaster to bring us [JEWS] unto Christ, that we [JEWS] might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we [JEWS] are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye [JEWS] are all [JEWS] the children [OF ISRAEL] of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you [JEWS] as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek [Hellenized Jew], there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye [JEW#S] are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye [JEWS] be Christ’s, then are ye [JEWS STILL AND] Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 3:23–29.
Salvation was given to the Hebrew people over and above non-Hebrew people (Gentiles.)
It is the LORD'S doing and by commanding circumcision He made distinction between the peoples in the world.
There is only Jew/Hebrew and Gentile (non-Hebrew) in the world today.
That's all.
brightfame52
Well-known member
God seen them dead in sin Eph 2:5
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved)
This is spiritual truth friend, Gods sovereign Grace finds His chosen covenant people dead in sin
brightfame52
Well-known member
@jeremiah1five
Salvation has absolutely nothing todo with race. Take a tip from Peter Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Salvation has absolutely nothing todo with race. Take a tip from Peter Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Richard
Active member
Mark tells us that Jesus began his ministry by preaching, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel” (Mark 1:15).
That command—repent and believe—is what God requires of us in response to the good news of Jesus.
Paul in Acts 20:21, says “I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus”.
That command—repent and believe—is what God requires of us in response to the good news of Jesus.
Paul in Acts 20:21, says “I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus”.
brightfame52
Well-known member
You reject the Gospel and you teach works salvation, teaching requirements to get saved.
Richard
Active member
Just so you know, Repentance is not a work we do to earn salvation.
Did you know salvation by faith not contradict salvation by grace? Does salvation by faith imply, in some subtle way, salvation by works. Scripture itself provides a clear answer: “By faith” is not “by works” but is “by grace.”
It is vitally important that we understand the biblical concept of repentance. Paul declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds” Acts 26:20
Repentance and faith can be understood as two sides of the same coin. It is impossible to place your faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior without first changing your mind about your sin and about who Jesus is and what He has done.
Did you know salvation by faith not contradict salvation by grace? Does salvation by faith imply, in some subtle way, salvation by works. Scripture itself provides a clear answer: “By faith” is not “by works” but is “by grace.”
It is vitally important that we understand the biblical concept of repentance. Paul declares, “I preached that they should repent and turn to God and demonstrate their repentance by their deeds” Acts 26:20
Repentance and faith can be understood as two sides of the same coin. It is impossible to place your faith in Jesus Christ as the Savior without first changing your mind about your sin and about who Jesus is and what He has done.
brightfame52
Well-known member
What does Acts 5:31 mean?
During Jesus' ministry, He specifically told the Twelve that men would drag them before courts and flog them, but they were to teach their oppressors about Him anyway. This is exactly what is happening here. Jesus also told them to not worry what they will say; the Holy Spirit will give them the right words (Matthew 10:16–20).The words Peter is using go far beyond the Sanhedrin's initial concern about resurrection and popularity. "Leader" is from the Greek root word archēgos and can be translated as "prince," or "captain," or even "pioneer" or "founder." Some translations use "author" to translate this word in Hebrews 12:2. Peter is directly accusing the Sanhedrin of executing the One who originated the Jewish people and promised to save them—not only killing Him but defiling Him by hanging Him from a tree (Acts 5:30; Deuteronomy 21:22–23; Galatians 3:13–14).
With that accusation, it's no wonder the council can't hear Peter's call for repentance. God raised Jesus from the dead, and His death and resurrection provide the means by which they can repent of their sins and receive forgiveness from God. Before too long, some of the priests will repent and follow Jesus (Acts 6:7). Right now, they can't get over the audacious claim that the heretic they had crucified is sitting in a place of honor at God's side.
BibleRef.
Richard
Active member
The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you had killed by hanging Him on a tree. 31 God exalted Him to His right hand as Prince and Savior, in order to grant repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey Him.”…
Acts 5:31-32
What part of that is about the elect?
brightfame52
Well-known member
@Administrator
I believe it means just what Jesus commissioned the twelve to do, the preach that repentance and forgivenss of sins be preached in His Name to all nations Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Peter preached it that way, repentance and forgiveness are in His Name, He gives them Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
I believe it means just what Jesus commissioned the twelve to do, the preach that repentance and forgivenss of sins be preached in His Name to all nations Lk 24:46-47
46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Peter preached it that way, repentance and forgiveness are in His Name, He gives them Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
brightfame52
Well-known member
brightfame52
Well-known member
Richard
Active member
If you were an Israelite, and your nation was elected by God, chosen out from all other nations, were you elect?
Is it true that other nations were not elect, does it stand to reason that to be elect one had to be an Israelite? Does it further stand to reason that Gentiles were not elect?
Were all Israelites “saved” (i.e., believers in Jesus who would share the afterlife with Jesus)?
If all Israelites were not saved, were they elect? If they were elect, how could they not be saved?
Should the concept of election in the Old Testament be viewed as salvation? In other words, are “elect” and “saved” synonyms? (my definition of “saved” above: believers in Jesus who would share the afterlife with Jesus)
If “elect” and “saved” are not synonyms, what is the point of election?
Is it true that other nations were not elect, does it stand to reason that to be elect one had to be an Israelite? Does it further stand to reason that Gentiles were not elect?
Were all Israelites “saved” (i.e., believers in Jesus who would share the afterlife with Jesus)?
If all Israelites were not saved, were they elect? If they were elect, how could they not be saved?
Should the concept of election in the Old Testament be viewed as salvation? In other words, are “elect” and “saved” synonyms? (my definition of “saved” above: believers in Jesus who would share the afterlife with Jesus)
If “elect” and “saved” are not synonyms, what is the point of election?
jeremiah1five
Well-known member
God never seen His elect as dead. To us we were dead in trespasses and sin but from God's eternal perspective we have always been alive before Him.
When God contemplated His elect, He contemplated them alive not dead. There is no death in God.
Yes, yes. From our perspective we were spiritually dead, not eternally dead.
There is no death in God. When He contemplated creating His elect, He contemplated them alive not dead.
It was when He created heaven, earth, and man and placed His elect in the loins of Adam when He blew them into Adam's nostrils that His elect became "lost." It's the same as when Levi paid tithes to Melchisedek while still in Abraham's loins. Levi wasn't born yet, but his seed was there. Foreknowledge is found here as well. It was when God blew into Adam's nostrils the breath of life that God place His elect in Adam's loins and God's elect became "lost." They were now outside of God and placed into the human bloodline.
From our perspective in time, I am a sinner in need of a Savior. But from God's eternal perspective I am holy, sinless, and alive. God's elect was never dead. This is where His foreknowledge of us resides. God knew who He ordained to receive eternal life. It began in the heavenly Tabernacle. And this was before He created man. The book of life of the lamb is not a real book. But it serves God's purpose just the same.
jeremiah1five
Well-known member
You read the Hebrew Scripture like a Gentile and with a Gentile mindset.
God is a respecter of persons.
4 And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel [the person] and to his offering:
5 But unto Cain [the person] and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell.
Gen. 4:4–5.
Peter is using "nation" in the same way God used it in Genesis before it came to mean "non-Hebrew" or Gentile.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.
The nations that "come out of thee" (Abraham) are the descendants of Ishmael and Esau.
7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee. Gen. 17:5–7.
Gentiles (non-Hebrews) do not come out of two Hebrew parents (Abraham and Sarah.)
Abraham (uncle) and Sarah (niece) were both the descendants of Eber, who is the father of the Hebrew people and seed of the woman. And that seed of the woman is Isaac. He was the Promised one. Sarah's father was Abraham's brother. Before "nations" came to be interpreted as "Gentiles" the meaning referred to Abraham's seed through Ishmael and Esau. Isaac also married a relative. Two Hebrew parents do not make/have non-Hebrew children. Doh!
The same was prophesied of Sarah:
15 And God said unto Abraham, As for Sarai thy wife, thou shalt not call her name Sarai, but Sarah shall her name be. 16 And I will bless her, and give thee a son also of her: yea, I will bless her, and she shall be a mother of nations; kings of people shall be of her. Gen. 17:15–16.
At this time "nations" did not mean non-Hebrew Gentiles because Gentiles (non-Hebrew) were already in existence through Ham and Japheth.
Learn sumthin'.
brightfame52
Well-known member
Its Gods elect here Eph 2:1,5 and He seen them in that dead condition
brightfame52
Well-known member
Salvation has absolutely nothing todo with race. Take a tip from Peter Acts 10:34-35
34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
jeremiah1five
Well-known member
From the perspective of man in time. For in this realm there is death and sin. But that's not how God contemplated His elect people. He contemplated them as a saved people BEFORE He created heaven, earth, and man. God didn't contemplate them as dead and in sin because there is no death or sin in God.
Similar threads
- Locked
