The Golden Rule

[civic]

Romans 13
For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

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[Matthias]

Follow your conscience, trinitarians. Kill your fellow trinitarians; kill your neighbors who aren’t trinitarians. Do what you have it in your hearts / minds to do.

None of you will answer to me for your actions. Everyone will answer to the man whom God has appointed to judge for their actions.

 

[civic]

God in His law gave the command and right to defend oneself and their families.

God does not change He is Immutable, The same God in the OT is the same God in the NT.

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[civic]

Exodus 22 gives some clues about God’s attitude toward self-defense: “If a thief is caught breaking in at night and is struck a fatal blow, the defender is not guilty of bloodshed; (Exodus 22:2). If someone was set upon by a thief in the middle of the night and, in the confusion of the moment the would-be thief was killed, the Law did not charge the homeowner with murder.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That, in fact, is my position.



I concur.

Now explain the original command and the meaning of Jesus' words: "love your enemies."

 

[jeremiah1five]

I haven’t actually said much about it.

I became involved in this thread because of the subject: The Golden Rule.

My question was in regard to whether or not a Christian could live by the Golden Rule while at the same time killing his enemies. It quickly moved from a military setting to a civilian setting.

Christian killing Christians. Is Jesus pleased with that?

Christians killing non-Christians. Is Jesus pleased with that?

There's nothing wrong with supporting your comments with Scripture. And if you make comment and post Scripture, questions posed to you are fair to find out if your comments can hold water with Scripture.
It's my thread. "Eye for eye" IS the Golden Rule.
I've given the background and made comment to support my holding.

You said: "How does a Christian who follows the Golden Rule justify killing his enemies?"

By your question you reveal you don't fully understand "eye for eye."

Eye for eye (life for life) justifies killing one's enemies if they are trying to kill you.
It also applies if they actually kill you.
So, please explain a circumstance that justifies killing one's enemies.

 

[Matthias]

Now explain the original command and the meaning of Jesus' words: "love your enemies."

You’ve already announced your verdict.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Follow your conscience, trinitarians. Kill your fellow trinitarians; kill your neighbors who aren’t trinitarians. Do what you have it in your hearts / minds to do.

None of you will answer to me for your actions. Everyone will answer to the man whom God has appointed to judge for their actions.

Actually, they do answer to God if the command is God-given which under the Law it is.
You don't fully understand any "justification" for killing one's enemies as commanded by God and His Word (Law/Jesus) for Jesus upheld the Law and justification for killing one's enemies.
You don't understand it, and as a matter of fact, by not understanding it cannot provide an answer supported by Scripture.

 

[Matthias]

There's nothing wrong with supporting your comments with Scripture. And if you make comment and post Scripture, questions posed to you are fair to find out if your comments can hold water with Scripture.
It's my thread. "Eye for eye" IS the Golden Rule.
I've given the background and made comment to support my holding.

I read that.

You said: "How does a Christian who follows the Golden Rule justify killing his enemies?"

By your question you reveal you don't fully understand "eye for eye."

So you have said.

Eye for eye (life for life) justifies killing one's enemies if they are trying to kill you.
It also applies if they actually kill you.

If they actually kill me then I leave it in God’s hands to take vengeance.

So, please explain a circumstance that justifies killing one's enemies.

I know of no such circumstance prior to the Messiah’s return.

 

[Matthias]

Actually, they do answer to God if the command is God-given which under the Law it is.
You don't fully understand any "justification" for killing one's enemies as commanded by God and His Word (Law/Jesus) for Jesus upheld the Law and justification for killing one's enemies.
You don't understand it, and as a matter of fact, by not understanding it cannot provide an answer supported by Scripture.

And yet, having already informed me of this verdict, you still ask me to explain it to you. I’ve seen this program before.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I read that.



So you have said.



If they actually kill me then I leave it in God’s hands to take vengeance.




I know of no such circumstance prior to the Messiah’s return.

Then as pastor and suggesting you read the Hebrew Scriptures you don't know what eye for eye and life for life means. This indicates that as pastor you may have misled people and told them a half-truth which is really a whole lie.
I wonder what other misunderstandings you have regarding taking away from the Hebrew Scriptures doctrine with which to live your life and as pastor guiding the life of sheep (others.)

 

[Matthias]

Any DIs in the house?

“What makes the grass grow?”

The military‘s answer isn’t God’s answer.

 

[Matthias]

Then as pastor and suggesting you read the Hebrew Scriptures you don't know what eye for eye and life for life means. This indicates that as pastor you may have misled people and told them a half-truth which is really a whole lie.
I wonder what other misunderstandings you have regarding taking away from the Hebrew Scriptures doctrine with which to live your life and as pastor guiding the life of sheep (others.)

Do you see the Trinity in the Hebrew scriptures?

 

[civic]

Do you see the Trinity in the Hebrew scriptures?

Diversion again try staying on topic with his question. Geeze

 

[Matthias]

Diversion again try staying on topic with his question. Geeze

There‘s no diversion. He’s openly wondering if there is anything else he can add to his list and I’m looking to see whether or not we can add this one to it.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Do you see the Trinity in the Hebrew scriptures?

I do. But let's not change the subject.
having read the Hebrew Scripture as you said you've done, the Golden Rule which is eye for eye, life for life, escapes you and you don't fully understand what it means.
Is this a correct conclusion?

 

[Matthias]

I do.

Thanks. Then you can add this one to your list.

But let's not change the subject.

You changed the subject when you openly wondered about what else I might misunderstand. Had you not done that, I wouldn’t have asked you what I did. Or anything else, for that matter.

having read the Hebrew Scripture as you said you've done, the Golden Rule which is eye for eye, life for life, escapes you and you don't fully understand what it means.
Is this a correct conclusion?

No. It’s your conclusion.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Thanks. Then you can add this one to your list.




You changed the subject when you openly wondered about what else I might misunderstand. Had you not done that, I wouldn’t have asked you what I did. Or anything else, for that matter.



No. It’s your conclusion.

Let me just end this by saying you're not honest with the Scripture with to me.
As a pastor I find that most disturbing.
Thanks.

 

[civic]

Let me just end this by saying you're not honest with the Scripture with to me.
As a pastor I find that most disturbing.
Thanks.

James 3:1

 

[Matthias]

Let me just end this by saying you're not honest with the Scripture with to me.
As a pastor I find that most disturbing.
Thanks.

Let me just say then in parting that, despite assurances from the owner of this forum and one of the designated moderators, the forum rules appear to apply only to me.

If I were to say to you what you’ve said to me, then I would not only be violating the forum rules, I would not be following the Golden Rule.

btw, I think you’re honest. I also think you have a misunderstanding of scripture.