The faith of Jesus Christ versus the faith of man

[FreeInChrist]

I am not Jewish and so I don't follow the Jewish Bible. The Christian Bible starts in Romans.

Well, that explains a lot, if not all.

If you had any understanding at all of who Jesus was/is you would view things differently.

 

[jeremiah1five]

His seed through Christ his spiritual seed Gal 3:29

- And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

Abraham couldn't produce a spiritual believing seed justified by faith. Gal 3:8

And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

That's God's work

The man of sin belongs to "families of the earth." Is he blessed of God? Yes, he is, by your erroneous extending Abraham's blessings to someone who, according to your false interpretation, are "families of the earth" that are Gentile.

According to your interpretation of "families of the earth" (Gentiles) that would include Hitler and Stalin who are blessed with faithful Abrham, right?

No, sorry to destroy your false theology but those that are "families of the earth" are Abraham's descendants, his seed, as promised by God. They are blessed because of the covenant God made with Abraham. His seed are the "families of the earth" that are blessed with faithful Abraham.

 

[FreeInChrist]

God desires His people to trust Him. He is pleased when they do. He is not pleased when they don't. Do you have any stories when you failed God and didn't trust Him? Yes, of course you do. Did you lose your salvation when you didn't trust God?

Really... you want to go there with me? I still have the DMs we share and it was all about my not being saved ... ergo going to hell for an eternity and you did not argue because I AM NOT Jewish and for some reason you have gotten off that tangent at least for now.

Did you end up in hell?

Did I. If you lived my life you would say I have and am there.

But your ideas on faith are wrong. Go ask Grok about it

What's the big deal? Israel was in covenant as a people by being the seed and descendants of Abraham and Sarah. This covenant at the appropriate and appointed time lead to another covenant that included Jacob's descendants, who are descendant of Isaac, who are the descendants of Abraham., a covenant that included officially God giving His Law(s) to the children of Israel so that they may live under God's reign and serve him. Gentiles were never given God's Law. Gentiles were never under the Law. Neither are they included in the New Covenant which is the culmination of the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.

Noah was told by God He was to flood the earth and to build an Ark to survive it. Eight people survived the flood because Noah believed God who said "Build an Ark! I am going to flood the earth and kill everyone!"

Enoch was a man who had children and if you have kids yourself, and you are conscientious about things in life, you were changed when your children were born like Enoch. He served God 300 years AFTER he had kids. Who else shall I write about? Even Jesus had trust/faith in God His Father. He had to. He needed to know what it's like for us as men and women who are commanded by God to believe and trust God. It was Jesus' faith as a man under the Law who had the faith/trust necessary through which those in covenant would be saved. Jesus was able to experience what we go through when God expects and commands our trust/faith in Him. Of course, Jesus had faith. He experienced everything we go through in this life - even to have faith in God like we do.

 

[brightfame52]

The man of sin belongs to "families of the earth

He doesn't belong to Christ Abraham's seed and the heirs Gal 3:29

 

[brightfame52]

Neither are they included in the New Covenant which is the culmination of the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.

False, Gentiles are included in the New Covenant, that is why Paul was made a Apostle, A new Covenant minister unto the Gentiles 2 Corinthians 3:5-6

5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

 

[Jim]

Re-imagining and re-interpreting the Hebrew Scripture to make what was originally Hebrew into Gentile. I understand it. I used to be blinded and deceived by the same false Gentile theology myself until the questions I had begun to lead me to the answers that if not already biased by Gentile thought would have kept me holding to false Gentile theology today. But when I began to think things through - as Saul did - I began to see the truth and by it was set free from the bondage of permeating false Gentile theology that is out there being gobbled up by Gentiles with a pre-installed Gentile theology and bias that would have kept me looking at the Hebrew Scripture with a Gentile mindset. But God set me free.

And the thorn in Saul's flesh was his own flesh, not his mind. The mind is part of the soul, not the flesh. It might be a brain that is flesh, but the thoughts that come from it cannot be seen, they are immaterial like spirit, sometimes evil spirit. Sometimes the attitudes that emanate from the brain are evil thoughts, demonic attitudes, and attitude is very important in a believer's life. Our thoughts set the course of our lives. We can't have an evil spirit/attitude when we worship God and so when Christ dealt with supposed people possessed by evil spirits/thoughts/attitude, the first thing Jesus did was bring those thoughts/attitudes/evil thoughts into submission, and then He could minister to a person. But the false Gentile theology out there is that "demons" are fallen angels who have been changed into demons through God's power or their own power, but this would be inconsistent with true biblical teaching that says "demons" are fallen angels.

(Saul's) thinking cannot be equated with his flesh. That's confusion at the highest degree. May the Lord deliver you from your bondage, to see things more clearly, as Saul did.
Remember, a thorn in a person's flesh has to do with flesh.
Remember this.

Face it @jeremiah1five - you display much of the same bad theology that Paul faced from the Judaizers.

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Question?

Is faith supposed to be private?

If not... based on what you have said... why then would Heb 11:6 state

"And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him." ?


The Faith of Abel, Enoch, Noah
…5By faith Enoch was taken up so that he did not see death: “He could not be found, because God had taken him away.” For before he was taken, he was commended as one who pleased God. 6And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who approaches Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. 7By faith Noah, when warned about things not yet seen, in godly fear built an ark to save his family. By faith he condemned the world and became heir of the righteousness that comes by faith.…

Free in Christ . You do realize what is going on my friend .
Because what i say to one i say to all . That man is dead wrong . FAITH IS MASSIVELY seen
and mentioned in the abrahamic covenant .
Abraham BELEIVED GOD . That is FAITH .
IT was always about FAITH .
It always has been .
Even the first covenant, temporary till the promise of the seed would come , was
still based on faith . Without faith it truly is impossible to please GOD .
At most you have an appearance of what can seem righteous
but the acts within it are not being done by FAITH but rather by WORKS by which one beleives
HE can be righteous . EVEN HE breaks the law . IT IS THE JUST that shall live by faith .
WHO , what one believes is who and what one obeys . Why did i say what
Because if one BELEIVES NOT the inspired words of GOD , they DO NOT beleive GOD .
Even adam , even eve had first beleived GOD .
We may not eat of the tree in the midst for in the day we do we shall surely die .
But of course along came the serpent and in short time EVE BE LEIVED HIM , NOT GOD .
thus obeyed HIM , NOT GOD . its real clear to see .
THAT WHO WE BELIEVE is WHOSE we are . And seeing death and the curse has came upon all .
WELL THERE BE ONLY ONE and i do mean ONLY ONE who can set us free
f rom the power of satan and death , opening the eyes to see and the ears to hear .
HIS NAME needs no introduction to the sheep , THEY KNOW HIS NAME and BELEIVE HIM .
But for the sake of many i will just say HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST
and HIS WORDS are JUST as TRUE TODAY as they ever were .
IN fact IT IS ONLY THE WORDS OF GOD that shall endure .
Mind if i ask why so many are now seated under ecumenical interfaith .
CAUSE THAT DO DENY HIM . i SEEN THEM DO IT . I SEEN them with my own eyes .
But and only THIS generation seems to not give a rip one
THAT JESUS has been trod under foot .
cause as with eve so too with much of christendom
and as with the first adam MANY NOW EAT of that fallen hand they THINK is coming from
the true church . I never seen anything like this is all my days .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That was through obedience not faith. Nice try but you are equivocating again

Verily verily i say unto thee
That faith , love , cannot be seperated FROM obediance .
FOR WHO WE LOVE , WHO WE BELEIVED , IS WHO WE OBEY .
Ye will find it v ery hard and impossible to disprove that .
There are many scriptures and letters of apostels that can prove that .
SO lets not try and divide faith from obediance .
THEY ARE GLUED AS ONE my friend .
Do be encouraged .

 

[Peterlag]

There's your ignorance in full view.

There is no "Jewish" or "Christian" Bible.

There is only ONE Bible.

The Hebrew Bible. It begins with Genesis and ends with Revelation.

Each "book" is authored by a Hebrew and is written to and for Hebrews. Biblical Christianity is revealed in its pages.
This means that Christianity existed with the first prophecy in Genesis 3:15 culminating with a call from Messiah that He will "Come, quickly."
Moses was a Christian, David was a Christian, whoever hoped in the [Greek] Christ would come looked forward to His appearance as promised by Jehovah God, the Great I AM, who created all things that exist in the universe, from good to evil - All things were Authored by One and that One is God.
I suggest you take your false, Constantinian Gentile theology and re-form it into Biblical Christianity as taught in this One Hebrew Bible.
There is only ONE kind of Christianity that exists. Biblical Christianity.
If one's Christianity is not Biblical, then it is NOT Christianity.
Bottom line.

I don't believe anything that you have written above. I do not know why we have so many Christians who believe the entire Bible is written directly to them, the Church of God. There is nothing in the Bible to indicate such thinking, and I would like to add nothing could be further from the truth. It's true the Word of God was written for everyone for all time, and it's for our learning because it contains what everyone should know. That does not mean every part of it is addressed to everyone in this time, because the subject matter was written either to the Jews, to the Gentiles, or to the Church of God (1 Corinthians 10:32).

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

That was through obedience not faith. Nice try but you are equivocating again

And how is there any faith if one beleives not , obeys not GOD .
They got us with a lie my friend .
I know what they did . They blended
the part about appearing righteous , beleiving one can BE RIGHTEOUS
into a lie that implies OBEDIANCE is the problem . NEVER Was never will be .
WITHOUT FAITH IS THE PROBLEM .
WHY a man do as he do matters .
What a man beleives matters .
DOCTRINE matters .
IF a man THINKS and BELEIVES HE can attain RIGHTEOUSNESS BY THE LAW
HE has not seen nor heard nor understands , The law was not meant to MAKE one righteous .
IT gave beautiful knowledge of the truth , of what is righteous and true .
And when i look at it i see its beauty , an d i see and kn ow something .
If i compare myself to the law to be justified by it
My oh my have i fallen far short . SO i dont look to the law for my justification
I LOOKED and LOOK to the ONLY ONE who did all that was necessary for me
TO BE JUSTIFIED by which i could NEV ER be justified by the law .
THE LAW will condemn a man like me . I have ONLY ONE i LOOK too . HIS NAME , JESUS THE CHRIST .
And due to THE SPIRIT that now leads me
DO i now have new desires to please GOD . you take a good long l ook at these words
because the man typing them KNOWS there is nothing good in him BUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND OF CHRIST .
And that just because i expose that whores ecumenical cup of interfaith
and any and all sins , DONT MAKE ME A PHARISEE or a legalist , or whtaever other name
folks give me . TIME for GRAVE MEN to arise and help this people . Its a bath of delusion i see
all o ver the place.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Free in Christ . You do realize what is going on my friend .
Because what i say to one i say to all . That man is dead wrong . FAITH IS MASSIVELY seen
and mentioned in the abrahamic covenant .
Abraham BELEIVED GOD . That is FAITH .
IT was always about FAITH .
It always has been .
Even the first covenant, temporary till the promise of the seed would come , was
still based on faith . Without faith it truly is impossible to please GOD .
At most you have an appearance of what can seem righteous
but the acts within it are not being done by FAITH but rather by WORKS by which one beleives
HE can be righteous . EVEN HE breaks the law . IT IS THE JUST that shall live by faith .
WHO , what one believes is who and what one obeys . Why did i say what
Because if one BELEIVES NOT the inspired words of GOD , they DO NOT beleive GOD .
Even adam , even eve had first beleived GOD .
We may not eat of the tree in the midst for in the day we do we shall surely die .
But of course along came the serpent and in short time EVE BE LEIVED HIM , NOT GOD .
thus obeyed HIM , NOT GOD . its real clear to see .
THAT WHO WE BELIEVE is WHOSE we are . And seeing death and the curse has came upon all .
WELL THERE BE ONLY ONE and i do mean ONLY ONE who can set us free
f rom the power of satan and death , opening the eyes to see and the ears to hear .
HIS NAME needs no introduction to the sheep , THEY KNOW HIS NAME and BELEIVE HIM .
But for the sake of many i will just say HIS NAME BE JESUS CHRIST
and HIS WORDS are JUST as TRUE TODAY as they ever were .
IN fact IT IS ONLY THE WORDS OF GOD that shall endure .
Mind if i ask why so many are now seated under ecumenical interfaith .

Even Ai can answer this.... The Bible prophesies a One World Religion that will emerge during the end times, particularly in the Book of Revelation, where it describes a false prophet who will unite all religions under a single doctrine, leading to the worship of the Antichrist. This unification is seen as part of a broader plan to establish a One World Government and a One World Currency.

And we are speeding toward this at lightning speeds that one will soon be sucked into if one is not aware and watchful.

CAUSE THAT DO DENY HIM . i SEEN THEM DO IT . I SEEN them with my own eyes .
But and only THIS generation seems to not give a rip one
THAT JESUS has been trod under foot .
cause as with eve so too with much of christendom
and as with the first adam MANY NOW EAT of that fallen hand they THINK is coming from
the true church . I never seen anything like this is all my days .

Maranatha,

Amen. amen

 

[brightfame52]

Did Jesus have Faith ?

My top 10 reasons why Jesus had no need for faith !

Did He as a man have need to pray? Did He pray with faith? Heb 5:7

7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;

 

[Red Baker]

@Tothalordbeallglory @civic @FreeInChrist @Jim @brightfame52

Verily verily I say unto thee, that faith, love, cannot be separated FROM obedience . FOR WHO WE LOVE , WHO WE BELIEVED , IS WHO WE OBEY

Ye will find it very hard and impossible to disprove that .

There are many scriptures and letters of apostles that can prove that . So, lets not try and divide faith from obedience . THEY ARE GLUED AS ONE my friend . Do be encouraged .

Hear ye, Hear ye! All of God's children said amen and amen.

 

[Red Baker]

@FreeInChrist

Even Ai can answer this.... The Bible prophesies a One World Religion that will emerge during the end times, particularly in the Book of Revelation, where it describes a false prophet who will unite all religions under a single doctrine, leading to the worship of the Antichrist. This unification is seen as part of a broader plan to establish a One World Government and a One World Currency.

AI is dead wrong on this point, and is only saying what folk program into the world wide web which puts forth information at our fingertips, but only information for the most part that he who feeds it the most is the one that the world wide web considers as the authority....... on religious matters at least this is true. But truth is never to be found with the majority, but with a few misfits here and there throughout this world.

 

[Victoria]

The Bible prophesies a One World Religion that will emerge during the end times, particularly in the Book of Revelation, where it describes a false prophet who will unite all religions under a single doctrine, leading to the worship of the Antichrist. This unification is seen as part of a broader plan to establish a One World Government and a One World Currency.

And we are speeding toward this at lightning speeds that one will soon be sucked into if one is not aware and watchful.

Amen! Ecumenical Movement

 

[civic]

And how is there any faith if one beleives not , obeys not GOD .
They got us with a lie my friend .
I know what they did . They blended
the part about appearing righteous , beleiving one can BE RIGHTEOUS
into a lie that implies OBEDIANCE is the problem . NEVER Was never will be .
WITHOUT FAITH IS THE PROBLEM .
WHY a man do as he do matters .
What a man beleives matters .
DOCTRINE matters .
IF a man THINKS and BELEIVES HE can attain RIGHTEOUSNESS BY THE LAW
HE has not seen nor heard nor understands , The law was not meant to MAKE one righteous .
IT gave beautiful knowledge of the truth , of what is righteous and true .
And when i look at it i see its beauty , an d i see and kn ow something .
If i compare myself to the law to be justified by it
My oh my have i fallen far short . SO i dont look to the law for my justification
I LOOKED and LOOK to the ONLY ONE who did all that was necessary for me
TO BE JUSTIFIED by which i could NEV ER be justified by the law .
THE LAW will condemn a man like me . I have ONLY ONE i LOOK too . HIS NAME , JESUS THE CHRIST .
And due to THE SPIRIT that now leads me
DO i now have new desires to please GOD . you take a good long l ook at these words
because the man typing them KNOWS there is nothing good in him BUT THE SPIRIT OF GOD AND OF CHRIST .
And that just because i expose that whores ecumenical cup of interfaith
and any and all sins , DONT MAKE ME A PHARISEE or a legalist , or whtaever other name
folks give me . TIME for GRAVE MEN to arise and help this people . Its a bath of delusion i see
all o ver the place.

It’s obedience not faith.

Philippians 2:8
And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross

Hebrews 5:8
Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from what He suffered

Romans 5:19
For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous

My previous post still stands. Nowhere does it say in the Bible Christ had or needed faith.

Now like the above scriptures which are true, more truth based upon scripture.

1-Jesus used the word pistis or its derivatives a total of 41 times. Look it up in your concordance if you own one.
2- Every time Jesus used the word He was talking about someone else’s faith and not “ His Faith “
3- Jesus never used the faith in the first person referring to His “ Faith “.
4- No book in the entire NT ever refers to “ Jesus Faith “
5- Jesus is always the object of Faith never the recipient of faith
6- All the Apostles refers to their own faith in Christ .
7- Saving Faith is in Christ alone
8- God has no need for Faith
9- The Savior has no need for faith since He is not a sinner
10- Faith is needed for sinners alone and not the Holy Son of God who was / is Impeccable

Faith is the belief in things unseen. Remember the words of the Author of Hebrews: “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen” (11:1).

Since Jesus is God He has perfect knowledge of all things as He claimed and the disciples affirmed on numerous occasions when they said we know that you are the Son of God for you know all things. Jesus knew what was in mans heart. There is no reason for Jesus to have faith since He knows all things and all things were made by Him and through Him and in Him all things exist. He knows the beginning from the end as the Creator. He shares all the same Divine attributes as the Father and the Holy Spirit. There is no faith in heaven there is only sight. The 2 natures in Christ solve the question of faith and Jesus as a man has all the attributes of God. So Jesus had no need for faith since He sees the things unseen by man. He always said and did what He heard and saw the Father doing 24/7 read about it in John 5.

hope this helps !!!