jeremiah1five
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Gentiles are to be distinguished from Jews in that they “do not have the law” (Rom. 2:14).
Therefore, Gentiles are said to be “without the law” (Rom. 2:12).
When Saul thinks of those who have the law (Jews) and those who do not have the law (Gentiles), he distinguishes between sin and transgression.
Gentiles, even though they do not possess the law, still sin. “All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law” (Rom. 2:12).
Transgression can be distinguished from sin, for “where there is no law there is no transgression” (Rom. 4:15). If we adopt this distinction, Gentiles did not transgress the law, for they did not have the written law. But even though they did not transgress a written law, they still sinned, in that they violated the will of God. Similarly, Saul argues that those who lived between the time of Adam and the time of Moses sinned, even if they did not transgress a specifically revealed commandment as Adam did or as the Israelites did under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 5:14).
The doctrine of the "Fall" in Christianity is a core belief rooted in the biblical story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Here's a breakdown:
The Story
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom. 5:14.
How can there be a "Fall" which is identified and counted as such in their eating of the forbidden tree? "As saith the ancients, wickedness comes from the wicked" (1 Sam. 24:13) which is the same as saying "sin comes from sinner." So, what was Adam and the woman's sin before they ate from the tree? Only this: They added to God's Word(s).
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.
By adding to God's Word(s) Adam and thew woman prove themselves as liars as defined by Proverbs and thus were sinners who sinned, and their second sin was in eating from the forbidden tree:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:3.
Adding to God's Word(s) prove Adam and the woman were sinners before their eating from the tree thus destroying the doctrine of a "Fall" which has historically been wrapped around the belief that eating from the tree was their first sin which caused a "Fall" from grace (or sinlessness, or holiness, or innocence.) Sin cannot come from holiness or sinlessness, which is the traditional belief in Christendom. How can there be a "Fall" from grace when they were not in grace to begin with? Doesn't Proverbs say "adding to God's Word(s) is lying"?
22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: Proverbs 12:22.
So, how can one defend a "Fall" from grace in eating from the forbidden tree when Adam and the woman were liars to begin with? There was no "Fall" in the garden but two sinners who added to God's Word(s): "neither shall ye touch it" proving that sin comes from sinner just as "wickedness proceedeth from the wicked" (1 Sam. 24:13.)
Therefore, Gentiles are said to be “without the law” (Rom. 2:12).
When Saul thinks of those who have the law (Jews) and those who do not have the law (Gentiles), he distinguishes between sin and transgression.
Gentiles, even though they do not possess the law, still sin. “All who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law” (Rom. 2:12).
Transgression can be distinguished from sin, for “where there is no law there is no transgression” (Rom. 4:15). If we adopt this distinction, Gentiles did not transgress the law, for they did not have the written law. But even though they did not transgress a written law, they still sinned, in that they violated the will of God. Similarly, Saul argues that those who lived between the time of Adam and the time of Moses sinned, even if they did not transgress a specifically revealed commandment as Adam did or as the Israelites did under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 5:14).
The doctrine of the "Fall" in Christianity is a core belief rooted in the biblical story of Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden. Here's a breakdown:
The Story
- God creates Adam and Eve, placing them in a perfect paradise, the Garden of Eden.
- God gives them one prohibition: they cannot eat from the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil.
- A serpent tempts Eve, suggesting that eating from the tree will make them like God, knowing good and evil.
- Eve eats the fruit and then gives some to Adam, who also eats it.
- Immediately, they realize they are naked and become ashamed, recognizing their vulnerability and imperfection.
- God expels them from the Garden, changing their relationship with Him and the world around them.
- Original Sin: Many Christians believe the Fall introduced sin into the world, corrupting human nature. This concept is known as Original Sin, suggesting all humans are born with a tendency towards sin.
- Loss of Innocence: The Fall represents the loss of humanity's original state of innocence and harmony with God. It marks the beginning of suffering, pain, and death in the world.
- Free Will: The story highlights the importance of free will. Adam and Eve had the choice to obey or disobey God, and their decision had significant consequences.
- Separation from God: The Fall resulted in a separation between humanity and God. This separation is seen as the root of human suffering and the need for redemption.
14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come. Rom. 5:14.
How can there be a "Fall" which is identified and counted as such in their eating of the forbidden tree? "As saith the ancients, wickedness comes from the wicked" (1 Sam. 24:13) which is the same as saying "sin comes from sinner." So, what was Adam and the woman's sin before they ate from the tree? Only this: They added to God's Word(s).
6 Add thou not unto his words,
Lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.
Proverbs 30:6.
By adding to God's Word(s) Adam and thew woman prove themselves as liars as defined by Proverbs and thus were sinners who sinned, and their second sin was in eating from the forbidden tree:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. Genesis 3:3.
Adding to God's Word(s) prove Adam and the woman were sinners before their eating from the tree thus destroying the doctrine of a "Fall" which has historically been wrapped around the belief that eating from the tree was their first sin which caused a "Fall" from grace (or sinlessness, or holiness, or innocence.) Sin cannot come from holiness or sinlessness, which is the traditional belief in Christendom. How can there be a "Fall" from grace when they were not in grace to begin with? Doesn't Proverbs say "adding to God's Word(s) is lying"?
22 Lying lips are abomination to the LORD: Proverbs 12:22.
So, how can one defend a "Fall" from grace in eating from the forbidden tree when Adam and the woman were liars to begin with? There was no "Fall" in the garden but two sinners who added to God's Word(s): "neither shall ye touch it" proving that sin comes from sinner just as "wickedness proceedeth from the wicked" (1 Sam. 24:13.)
