Tensions in Calvin’s Idea of Predestination

[TomL]

@TomL


No I dont, I use it frequently to support my view that Faith is by Grace, its plain as the noon day sun.

You assume that it is because of grace it must reflect unconditional election/predetermination from before the foundation of the earth.

 

[brightfame52]

You assume that it is because of grace it must reflect unconditional election/predetermination from before the foundation of the earth.

Rom 4:16 is about Faith which is by grace. Faith is of Grace also in Eph 2:8, Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Also in Rom 4:16 its crystal clear to me that Faith by Grace is limited to the elect seed.

 

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Peter, Phillip and Paul baptized

Acts 2:38 (KJV 1900) — 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 10:47 (KJV 1900) — 47 Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

Acts 8:26–38 (KJV 1900) — 26 And the angel of the Lord spake unto Philip, saying, Arise, and go toward the south unto the way that goeth down from Jerusalem unto Gaza, which is desert. 27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship, 28 Was returning, and sitting in his chariot read Esaias the prophet. 29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip, Go near, and join thyself to this chariot. 30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest? 31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him. 32 The place of the scripture which he read was this, He was led as a sheep to the slaughter; and like a lamb dumb before his shearer, so opened he not his mouth: 33 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away: and who shall declare his generation? for his life is taken from the earth. 34 And the eunuch answered Philip, and said, I pray thee, of whom speaketh the prophet this? of himself, or of some other man? 35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus. 36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. 38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

1 Corinthians 1:10–16 (KJV 1900) — 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13 Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15 Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name. 16 And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.

corrupt scroll.

 

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Rom 4:16 is about Faith which is by grace. Faith is of Grace also in Eph 2:8, Acts 18:27

27 And when he was disposed to pass into Achaia, the brethren wrote, exhorting the disciples to receive him: who, when he was come, helped them much which had believed through grace:

Also in Rom 4:16 its crystal clear to me that Faith by Grace is limited to the elect seed.

The purpose of the elect is almost like being a front line in paradise and attending to God in paradise .

they have a very special job but the elect aren't the only ones that are going to paradise ... most of Jacob is going to paradise after trib!

but they will have to go through trib .

and who is Jacob most of modern Christianity including the evangelicals and especially their pastors... why ?

because they will not understand and they are making statements leading their congregations into trib.

due to their blah blah blah which is all nonsense 'saved already.'

Will many of jacob (most modern christianity!! regardless the sect!) go to eden paradise ?

many of them yes, hopefully all...
but they're not doing what God asks
because that saved idea of I'm saved already is a Haughty mess. The pastors, haughtiest of all, risk never going at all!!!

So. Will jacob go to heaven (eden)?

many of them will
but... they're not doing what God asks
but few pastors...

pastors are preaching antichrist - the sealed vision, the corrupt scroll, the sorcery kjv - so yes evangelicalism is antichrist - it's not some entity,
it's modern Christianity and evangelicalism included...

so many are going into trib.