Tensions in Calvin’s Idea of Predestination

What does scripture say?

Romans 4:4-5 [NKJV] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

I do not hold man's thought to be a substitute for scripture.
Scripture also commands us to repent and be baptized, however there are those that believe their actions of repenting and ablution are necessary for God to save ... thir incorrect view of what is both good and commanded makes it a form of Legalistic Self-Salvation [not unlike the error of the Pharisees that confronted Jesus]. So too, a false confidence that our salvation rests on the merit of our belief - transforming salvation from a grace given to a wage owed - holds the power to place "belief" into the same categorical heresy as trusting your "baptism into the correct denomination" as the source of your salvation.

JESUS saves, not our belief, not our baptism, not our repentance, not our good works. All of these things are to be expected, but THEY are not a replacement for HIM. ANYTHING that rises up as a replacement for JESUS is just an "idol" - bad things or good things.

That was my point.
We should BELIEVE, but we should not worship OUR BELIEF as the source of our salvation.
Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA of our salvation ... it starts with Jesus and Jesus finishes it (our resurrection to glorification).
 
Actually, faith assures us it is by grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Once again your theology is exposed as false.
Faith is by Grace and its not a condition it, it rests in a promise. The promise is eternal life to the seed, and Faith is given by Grace to believe the promise. God told Abraham He was going to given him an inheritance by promise, it was an settled fact b4 He told Abraham, then God gave Him Faith to believe His promise, the promise wasnt conditioned on Abraham believing though. Gal 3:17-18

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

So likewise God gives Faith by Grace to all the seed, the promise is sure, thats the gist of Rom 4:16

Of course you cant understand this, i already know.
 
Scripture also commands us to repent and be baptized, however there are those that believe their actions of repenting and ablution are necessary for God to save ... thir incorrect view of what is both good and commanded makes it a form of Legalistic Self-Salvation [not unlike the error of the Pharisees that confronted Jesus]. So too, a false confidence that our salvation rests on the merit of our belief - transforming salvation from a grace given to a wage owed - holds the power to place "belief" into the same categorical heresy as trusting your "baptism into the correct denomination" as the source of your salvation.

JESUS saves, not our belief, not our baptism, not our repentance, not our good works. All of these things are to be expected, but THEY are not a replacement for HIM. ANYTHING that rises up as a replacement for JESUS is just an "idol" - bad things or good things.

That was my point.
We should BELIEVE, but we should not worship OUR BELIEF as the source of our salvation.
Jesus is the ALPHA and OMEGA of our salvation ... it starts with Jesus and Jesus finishes it (our resurrection to glorification).
Um, faith must exist before one may be saved by Jesus.

Jesus saves those who believe.

And that would not be worshipping faith.

And clearly scripture shows faith is not a work

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

Romans 4:4–6 (LEB) — 4 Now to the one who works, his pay is not credited according to grace, but according to his due. 5 But to the one who does not work, but who believes in the one who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited for righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks about the blessing of the person to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
 
Why would "belief" be any different than any other 'golden idol'? If we trust in US, then it is OUR WORK (whatever form our 'calf' takes ... and if we trust in GOD, then it is unmerited favor (grace) ... (whatever 'it' we are discussing).
Why would it be different?

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
 
Faith is by Grace and its not a condition it, it rests in a promise. The promise is eternal life to the seed, and Faith is given by Grace to believe the promise. God told Abraham He was going to given him an inheritance by promise, it was an settled fact b4 He told Abraham, then God gave Him Faith to believe His promise, the promise wasnt conditioned on Abraham believing though. Gal 3:17-18

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

So likewise God gives Faith by Grace to all the seed, the promise is sure, thats the gist of Rom 4:16

Of course you cant understand this, i already know.
You totally misunderstand the Romans 4:16 passage.

Romans 4:16–25 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (just as it is written, “I have made you the father of many nations”) before God, in whom he believed, the one who makes the dead alive and who calls the things that are not as though they are, 18 who against hope believed in hope, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was said, “so will your descendants be.” 19 And not being weak in faith, he considered his own body as good as dead, because he was approximately a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb. 20 And he did not waver in unbelief at the promise of God, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God 21 and being fully convinced that what he had promised, he was also able to do. 22 Therefore it was credited to him for righteousness. 23 But it was not written for the sake of him alone that it was credited to him, 24 but also for the sake of us to whom it is going to be credited, to those who believe in the one who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, 25 who was handed over on account of our trespasses, and was raised up in the interest of our justification.

and Gal

Galatians 3:23–29 (LEB) — 23 But before faith came, we were detained under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith was revealed. 24 So then, the law became our guardian until Christ, in order that we could be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. 26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, 27 for as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are descendants of Abraham, heirs according to the promise.


Abraham was credited as righteous because of his faith

it is also to credited for the sake of us who believe

Abraham's faith preceded the promise, and all who believe will also.
 
So Peter was commanding a work?

Acts 2:38 (LEB) — 38 And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Or better then Peter... Jesus said MATT 28:19 “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. The baptizer and the baptizee both at work.
 
Why would it be different?

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.
Are you trying to convince me that you are saved on the merit of your “belief” and that your contribution of “belief” to God’s gift of “salvation” (Eph 2:8-9) means that “saved” is a wage which you are owed because of the merit of your “NOT A WORK” of “belief”? If you are not advocating that, then we are not in disagreement. If you are advocating that, then you have elevated your “belief” to an “idol” responsible for earning your salvation just like a “work” or a golden calf or Mary the co-redemptrix.
 
Are you trying to convince me that you are saved on the merit of your “belief” and that your contribution of “belief” to God’s gift of “salvation” (Eph 2:8-9) means that “saved” is a wage which you are owed because of the merit of your “NOT A WORK” of “belief”? If you are not advocating that, then we are not in disagreement. If you are advocating that, then you have elevated your “belief” to an “idol” responsible for earning your salvation just like a “work” or a golden calf or Mary the co-redemptrix.
Salvation is through faith, but God/Christ is the cause of Salvation.

And it (faith) remains a matter of grace, not works.
 
Are you trying to convince me that you are saved on the merit of your “belief” and that your contribution of “belief” to God’s gift of “salvation” (Eph 2:8-9) means that “saved” is a wage which you are owed because of the merit of your “NOT A WORK” of “belief”? If you are not advocating that, then we are not in disagreement. If you are advocating that, then you have elevated your “belief” to an “idol” responsible for earning your salvation just like a “work” or a golden calf or Mary the co-redemptrix.
Faith isn’t merit lol
 
Salvation is through faith, but God/Christ is the cause of Salvation.

And it (faith) remains a matter of grace, not works.
Faith isn’t merit lol
Pity we as a people have lost the ability to read a paragraph and stop all comprehension after just one sentence.

To your posts, I reply: “Yes and so what?” (Non sequitur).
 
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