Tensions in Calvin’s Idea of Predestination

[e v e]

i would never advocate a thing to any soul outside of that a soul meet Christ and leave the world behind, take up their cross. The rest would be between that soul and Christ, just as it has been since this evil earth/timeline (=death) began after the fall.

Obviously it's a message no one likes. more than 40% of the prophets and then apostles were murdered to accomplish 'approved' modern christianity version (=sorcery kjv).

 

[brightfame52]

i don't find that concept. Where does God say the phrase 'works salvation'?

It's a term no prophets in the OT said. And Never said by Him.

You have to find it

 

[e v e]

You have to find it

i looked. not there as a term or theme.

 

[e v e]

Christ never mentions that, not in OT, not to moses, not to any prophet, not to the apostles.

It's true we are helpless and nothing here...
though we can repent and die to this foreign land
(as opposed to decorating our jail cell which is this earth!)

of which He said He was not from here.

 

[e v e]

You have to find it

its okay @brightfame52

He cares for us so much and He will sort it out ...

 

[brightfame52]

i looked. not there as a term or theme.

That doesnt matter. Its a lot of things you going to look for and not see

 

[TomL]

@FreeInChrist


Thats works salvation, "accepting" thats an activity man does. I did a google search " is accepting something a work"

Actually, faith assures us it is by grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Once again your theology is exposed as false.

 

[e v e]

That doesnt matter. Its a lot of things you going to look for and not see

nothing can be understood, seen,
and certainly not by most modern sects
unless understanding that this earth is a foreign land
DEATH as He told adam...
and that eden was and will be the Home of His souls
and the only Creation He made...
our promised land since before time
from which we are now so far away...
and certainly
not this one...

this is what was meant by He knowing
us His own Elect since before time
(this current reality and its
time and earth and sky are After Adam betrayed God
as a result of that betrayal, and being our prison)

His souls the 144k are RETURNING to eden...
and that is the meaning of being saved,
being elect etc.

and that is why we are helpless.

we are in a foreign land ruled by monsters
the prince of the air

(this is what I understand from Him and of course, I don't assume
you or anyone else is interested... and my posts below this one
continue this post. )

 

[e v e]

sure, we are promised to Him, and that is a comfort
to know one is His...and we have a promise we will be saved..
but saved already? no..
we are still here in this flesh body, waiting for our resurrection
which is the Rapture, our Change
which is our being restored!!! back into
our glorious body made by God
in our paradise,
not born as creatures in this dystopia realm
where we are now, which is definitely not paradise.

so...that is the thing to understand right now
this earth is a Foreign Land not by God

 

[e v e]

further, every single vatican 'sacrament' is a satanic ritual
and that religion is baal fish religion disguised as christian...
so this includes baptism, which is not in the OT
at all, even though Christ was there talking to His souls!
such as Moses and His prophets, and yet, no mention of
the vatican sacraments, any of them, in the OT...
which is a big clue esau added things in, such as baptism!
which God never required! Who really cares
about ritualistically splashing material water
over a flesh body!

(not blaming any soul born catholic here,
since we are all in the same prison earth adam caused, essentially) ..
but saying, the protestants did not really leave catholicism...
and neither the evangelicals since they are rooted in
augustine, the most catholic of all...
rather protestantism is but a branch of that catholic tree...

the idea of being saved by baptism, by evangelicalism
or any other baal ritual is not workable....


soon He will return for His sweet 144
and bring us back to our original Home... Eden.

 

[e v e]

Christianity was not suddenly invented simply because
Christ took a HUGE step DOWN to incarnate in this flesh body PRISON...
for us...

Christ was there, with our OT Fathers.

If he was not then explain OT events where
God spoke to the prophets and Moses etc.
Otherwise, self-contradiction.

God has done different things, to prepare
us to return Home... giving different jobs to
different souls, such as us His 144, or Moses,
etc.

Coming to this earth, Christ made it possible for us
to finally Go Home.. and getting us back to Him and to our
Home, Eden, is the whole purpose of His
ever setting foot in this earth prison.

 

[e v e]

Marcion and the catholic church, via the pope office,
made the Division between OT and NT on purpose..
to make the OT passe, as if somehow it was
a historic thing..

There is NO division in God's words to us.
They never changed.

Every word he said (not the parts
'experts' added, deleted, moved etc!)
applies to every soul of Him right NOW.

There are two laws both were present in the OT and NT
one is sin and death
the other is His Spirit of Life

the only law to be annulled was and is the satanic
rule over us since adam did what he did
by betraying God and all of us.

and yes, all the judaism rules and
nonsense in their pagan talmud
were annulled as they were NEVER from God

 

[FreeInChrist]

@FreeInChrist


Thats works salvation, "accepting" thats an activity man does. I did a google search " is accepting something a work"

Is receiving Baptism a work?

 

[atpollard]

Is receiving Baptism a work?

Do you believe it is an action that you take that saves you? Those are the "work" that Paul condemns.

• For some cults, yes it is.
• For most people, no it is not.

Romans 4:4-5 [NKJV] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

 

[TomL]

Do you believe it is an action that you take that saves you? Those are the "work" that Paul condemns.

• For some cults, yes it is.
• For most people, no it is not.

Romans 4:4-5 [NKJV] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

And so belief is not a work, as a certain poster claims.

 

[civic]

Actually, faith assures us it is by grace

Romans 4:16 (LEB) — 16 Because of this, it is by faith, in order that it may be according to grace, so that the promise may be secure to all the descendants, not only to those of the law, but also to those of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all.

Once again your theology is exposed as false.

another passage that refutes his false claims.

 

[TomL]

another passage that refutes his false claims.

And yet he will not believe the scripture

 

[atpollard]

And so belief is not a work, as a certain poster claims.

Why would "belief" be any different than any other 'golden idol'? If we trust in US, then it is OUR WORK (whatever form our 'calf' takes ... and if we trust in GOD, then it is unmerited favor (grace) ... (whatever 'it' we are discussing).

 

[TomL]

Why would "belief" be any different than any other 'golden idol'? If we trust in US, then it is OUR WORK (whatever form our 'calf' takes ... and if we trust in GOD, then it is unmerited favor (grace) ... (whatever 'it' we are discussing).

What does scripture say?

Romans 4:4-5 [NKJV] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

I do not hold man's thought to be a substitute for scripture.

 

[civic]

What does scripture say?

Romans 4:4-5 [NKJV] Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

I do not hold man's thought to be a substitute for scripture.

Belief in God has always been mans responsibility starting in the garden. Are we trusting what God has said and promised or another voice.

Nothing has changed. We choose to accept or reject Gods word and His promises. We can choose to accept the gospel or reject it. Choose this day whom you will serve. It’s biblical and demonstrated through out scripture.

And faith is never ever called a work. That’s made up by the determinists.