I'm going to try this one more time and I'm going to slow down. You want to bloviate about this. I'm not going to let you do this.
You brought external information that you consider authoritative. INTO this discussion. I didn't. YOU DID. I accepted your scripture and then claimed you misunderstood it. The English word "Might" is NOT a definitive declaration. You then brought in external evidence into the argument that I do not accept as being authoritative. You did. Not I. You did. The onus is upon you to prove these men are authoritative. They are not.
I don't recognizes Wallace as being authority. I don't recognize Thayer as being authoritative. I don't recognize your external evidence as being authoritative. Show me God's stamp of approval please?
Wallace is better than most but he has ZERO authority to define the underling grammar of the Scriptures. No one does. I make my own arguments. I know the subject myself.
The idea you can bring external evidence into the argument and assume it is relative in and of itself is a mistake on your part.
I said very clearly. "You are extending the word beyond its semantic range."
Establish the semantic range..... Do the work. Don't quote other men at men and expect me to accept what they say. They have an agenda. Everyone of them do. Everyone of them. You are too. I am too. Stop assuming men settle the argument just because they "said so".
Also, repeating a false claim doesn't establishing that claim to be true. You don't want to move on from this argument because you are trying to limit all the evidence contrary to your position.
Define the "semantic range"... Hint....
You can't establish "subjective mood" without establishing semantic range. You made the argument. You define the semantic range. The only proper and viable method of determining the meaning of ancient words is through a broad cross study of words and their uses throughout the entirety of revelation and history. In other words, their "semantic range". Once you establish this, then you can begin to construct a methodology to draw conclusions. Grammar varies greatly across extant manuscript evidence. Why do you think Wallace is preserving manuscripts now? It is establish patterns and lock down variables.
I'll give you a recommendation. If all you ever do is study the words of other men, then you'll never been who you need to be. If you want to have this discussion with me and get into this type of detail in an attempt to preserve your broken argument then you must do the work yourself. I'm not going to accept the sources you bring to the table "just because".....nor am I going to recognize you as being an expert in the field.
Anyone can pick up a book and post what it says. It is another thing entirely to know why those words were chosen.
Sorry, I gave you a text which you have not addressed in full
You tried to make an argument based on the word might
If you are going to discuss this you have to go to lexical grammatical resources
I gave you multiple citiations and spoke of how it fits with a purpose clause introduced by IVA
all you did is reject Greek scholarship and cite your own opinion.
If they cannot speak authoritatively on the grammar how do you imagine you can?
You then began discussing me
I am not the topic and as i noted that is not biblical argumentation
I do not believe you have properly interacted with the text
Romans 8:1–13 (NIV) — 1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.
And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.
For this reason God sent his son. According to your interpretation it was a failure
5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. 9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you.
those in the flesh cannot submit to the law of God. If you are going to argue the regenerated cannot either then the regenerate man is still in the flesh contrary to the text
And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. 10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
And if the spirit is in you, you have life because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you. 12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. 13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.
those who do not put to death the misdeeds of the body will die. If none can put to death the misdeeds of the body none live
further in chapter 6
Romans 6:1–14 (KJV 1900) — 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6
Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. 7
For he that is dead is freed from sin. 8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him: 9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him. 10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God. 11
Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. 12
Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. 14
For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Our old man has been crucified and sin no longer has dominion over us.
