Starts Now The Deity of Jesus Christ True or False?

No no. You just said the Word is the creator and that the "physical flesh" was created. Okay, Matthew 1:21 says "She will give birth to a Son, and you are to give Him the name Jesus, because He will save His people from their sins.”

Mary gave birth to a human son who was given the name Jesus. Jesus is the name of a created human. Therefore Jesus is not God incarnate.
Nope

Refrain from doing the devil's work of twisting truth.

When all else fails you = read the instructions = carefully

behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

@Runningman @Kiew1 - Who is "the Holy One"???
 
Nope

Refrain from doing the devil's work of twisting truth.

When all else fails you = read the instructions = carefully

behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.
And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.
Yeah I've read it. It says Jesus given his name and his authority by God. Means he isn't God. Stop being Satanic and get in line with the truth. See below what your words were.

JESUS is the Creator of Creation = John chapter 1
Therefore, when the Word became flesh, no new creation was made other then the physical flesh body inside Mary.

@Runningman @Kiew1 - Who is "the Holy One"???
You don't want to go into all of the names and titles Jesus doesn't share with God.

The Holy One of Israel is an exclusive God titles Jesus is never called anywhere in the Bible.

Isaiah 1
4Alas, O sinful nation,
a people laden with iniquity,
a brood of evildoers,
children who act corruptly!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have despised the Holy One of Israel

and turned their backs on Him.
 
Yeah I've read it. It says Jesus given his name and his authority by God. Means he isn't God. Stop being Satanic and get in line with the truth. See below what your words were.





You don't want to go into all of the names and titles Jesus doesn't share with God.

The Holy One of Israel is an exclusive God titles Jesus is never called anywhere in the Bible.

Isaiah 1
4Alas, O sinful nation,
a people laden with iniquity,
a brood of evildoers,
children who act corruptly!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have despised the Holy One of Israel

and turned their backs on Him.
Lunch break - be back later
 
AMEN
and
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Can you SEE that you and i do not exist without JESUS???

You, @Keiw1 , were created by the Word that was God = LORD JESUS CHRIST
Jehovah the only true God=HE-Gen 1:27-Prov 8:27-28--created it all-His Master worker direct, then all other things THROUGH his master worker=100% fact of life.
 
@Keiw1

I do believe the scriptures not what the false cult of the Jehovah Witnesses teach.

The God of the Bible is Jehovah. He revealed Himself more fully to Moses as I AM THAT I AM. No other god has a name like that! He is eternally and infinitely independent of all other beings and creatures. He alone is the supreme Being.

God and Jesus are different. Jesus is not another God. Jesus is a Man (1st Timothy 2:15). Jesus is the fullness of God "in a body" (Colossians 2:9). Jesus is God made flesh to die for His people (John 1:14; Philippians 2:5-11). Jesus is subordinate to God (1st Corinthians 15:28) as far as his humanity goes.
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew scriptures--I will be what i will be is correct. You are being mislead.
 
Per your request = we have "gotten to the bottom" with TRUTH

JESUS is the Creator of Creation = John chapter 1
JESUS is the Firstborn man from the Grave unto Glorification = Gospel
JESUS is the Firstfruits of mankind, from the Grave, who Entered Heaven unto the FATHER = Acts/1 Corinthians/Revelation


AMEN
and
All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Can you SEE that you and i do not exist without JESUS???

You, @Keiw1 , were created by the Word that was God = LORD JESUS CHRIST
Nothing was made= Catholicism error=100%-- Prov 8:22--Possessed=created me as the beginning of your way=Gods master worker=Jesus= created direct=Only begotten son= 100% fact.
 
Yeah I've read it. It says Jesus given his name and his authority by God. Means he isn't God. Stop being Satanic and get in line with the truth. See below what your words were.





You don't want to go into all of the names and titles Jesus doesn't share with God.

The Holy One of Israel is an exclusive God titles Jesus is never called anywhere in the Bible.

Isaiah 1
4Alas, O sinful nation,
a people laden with iniquity,
a brood of evildoers,
children who act corruptly!
They have forsaken the LORD;
they have despised the Holy One of Israel

and turned their backs on Him.
JESUS is the LORD and the Holy One of Israel whom Israel despised and turn their backs on!!!
 
@Keiw1
Jehovah the only true God=HE-Gen 1:27-Prov 8:27-28--created it all-His Master worker direct, then all other things THROUGH his master worker=100% fact of life.
Teaching the scriptures is not your calling. I have already shown you how you do not understand Proverbs 8:27,28 ~ not even close. Jesus Christ is Jehovah in his Deity! We shall be on the offense starting within a day or two. Then I will give you some proof of Jesus Christ's Deity.
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew scriptures--I will be what i will be is correct. You are being mislead.
Maybe not in your New World Translation which does not count! You saying that like you know the Hebrew language, of course you are just repeating what others have lied to you concerning. Even if a Jew, who is one by nature, said this, I still would not trust him, for we have it in our Bibles, and by faith we believe every single word is inspired of God, and is not to be tampered with.

Do you truly know just how foolish that would sound in the ears of Pharaoh? "I will be what i will be"...I AM THAT I AM is powerful! I would take time to give you some examples, but why should I? It would be casting pearls before swines!
 
JESUS is the LORD and the Holy One of Israel whom Israel despised and turn their backs on!!!
Jesus is never called "the Holy One of Israel" in the Bible. You aren't allowed to just randomly assign titles to Jesus that he was never called.
 
Jesus is never called "the Holy One of Israel" in the Bible. You aren't allowed to just randomly assign titles to Jesus that he was never called.
Context...Context...Context..

Delving into scripture you will find Jesus identifying Himself with the God of Israel.

By what He does, He also shows His link to the God of Israel. For eg.. saying what can be allowed on the Sabaath. That authority to make those rules belongs to the God of Israel.
 
There is no i am that i am from Hebrew scriptures--I will be what i will be is correct. You are being mislead.

We do not expect the false cult of the JW's to know our God's name ~ Jehovah is His name, God is His title.​

What Is God’s Name?​

Exodus 3:13-15~"And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

Exodus 6:3~"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Psalm 83:18~"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

The Bible records the names of many gods – Ashtoreth of the Zidonians, Baal of the Phoenicians, Chemosh of the Moabites, Dagon of the Philistines, Milcom of the Ammonites, and many others.

Religions in the world today have names for their gods – Allah for Islam, Krishna and Vishnu and Shiva among many deities of the Hindus, the Great Spirit of the American Indians, and many others.

Paul admitted the world’s many gods, but they are nothing. Christians know there is only one God (1st Corinthians 8:4-6). Paul exposed the Greek’s idolatry, polytheism, and ignorance of the true God (Acts 17:18-31

A Creator God is easily known by creation, providence, and conscience, but the Bible is the only supernatural source that names God and provides all the attributes of His Person, character, and conduct.

The Bible begins with God existing in eternity and creating the universe from nothing (Genesis chapter one). This God revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the one only Almighty God (Genesis 17:1; 28:3)

The Bible mocks all other gods as nonexistent figments of human imagination and men serving them as being as stupid as their idols and held captive by their own lies (Psalm 115:1-8; Isaiah 43:8-15; 44:7-10)

But God chose one nation on earth for religious worship, and He revealed Himself much more fully to them, including His name. The Creator God of the Bible is Jehovah, "which means, I AM THAT I AM".

This eternal, independent, and infinite Being is the only God. Any contrary claim has no basis beyond the imagination and lies of men. For example, Allah may be no more than the moon god of the Arabians.

The four consonants of I AM THAT I AM form the Jewish tetragrammaton, which the KJV identifies over 6,000 times as LORD (all capitals). The tetragrammaton pointed up with vowels is Jehovah.

Many Bible names include portions or all of Jehovah as prefixes or suffixes e.g. Jehovah-Jireh (Genesis 22:14), Jehoshua (Numbers 13:16), Jehoshaphat (2nd Samuel 8:16), Elijah (1st Kings 17:1), and Alleluia (Revelation 19:1).

Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM, is the only true and living God, the Creator God of the Bible. His Son is Jesus, or Jehoshua in Hebrew, which means Jehovah is salvation, as the angel specified (Matthew 1:21).
 
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@Runningman
Red Baker is not a trinitarian. Lol. See his statement above. He's even a heretic by trinitarian standards. God manifests himself as three different ways, but those three different manifestations are not God? He's a modalist.
You said: "Red Baker is not a trinitarian"

Of course I am, according to the scriptures. God is a Spirit that inhabits eternity, always has, always will and as I have said so many times...this will "never" change.

John 4:24
“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”

Isaiah 57:15
“For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.”

He said in this very scripture he dwells with those who have a contrite spirit; and in the NT, the mystery of Christ is that HE dwells in in us, which make God and Christ ONE. Yet Christ is a person, God is a Spirit, so there you have more than ONE, in any way you look at at it, yet one in essence, etc. The three in one is revealed in the NT based on their work respectively in the redemption of God's elect. Nevertheless, if one truly ponders this very much, how can you truly separate God who is a Spirit from the Holy Ghost/Spirit? Only by the work respectively under the NT.

Colossians 1:26,27
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints: To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:”

You said: "He's even a heretic by trinitarian standards."

You are correct in this assessment ~ yet, when one truly gives this some thoughts, they generally admit that they could be wrong, and of course they are, for most have embrace the eternal Sonship position without considering its ramifications, as prompting the JW'S false teaching that Jesus is inferior to his Father, when in truth he is equal.

You said: God manifests himself as three different ways, but those three different manifestations are not God? He's a modalist.

I'm not a modalist ~ Since as I just explain above, God is a Spirit that dwells/lives in eternity, which no man can approach unto, or has ever seen, or, can see. Jesus Christ is his Son was born into this world and men have given a testimony that they seen, looked upon, their hands handled, of the Word of life!

1st John 1:1-3
“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) hat which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.”

The Father remained in eternity, while his Son lived in this world, being the express image of whom God was was in human flesh, and by the very fact he was God only begotten Son (begotten in the manner in which he was begotten) made him equal with God, in any way you want to look at it. Call me whatever you desire to label me with, I'm strictly going by the scriptures and can defend my position with the word of God.
 
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@Runningman
That's your choice, and maybe a wise one on your part. This is the reason:

As I said, my position which is basically in the middle of your view which flat out reject Jesus' Deity as the one true God, and those Christians who believe in the Eternal Sonship doctrine, which laid the foundation for your false teaching, by saying that Jesus is the eternal Son of God, which makes him "inferior" to God in his Divinity, which all know he is in his humanity, but not in his Divinity.

So, maybe we should set up a debate concerning the ~ Eternal Sonship vs. the Incarnate Sonship ~ where there are true Christians on both side of this debate, whereas, those who flat our reject Christ being equal to God cannot be called by that sacred name.... Christian.

The Incarnate Sonship believers are the only folks that can expose your false teaching for what it is. So, good choice for you, and @Peterlag to stop ~@Keiw1 is not to deep in the scripture, so she most likely will keep putting up her one liner, thinking she's doing God a service ~and @Studyman is in a league of his own, but is much closer to your side than the truth for sure.
 
Jesus is never called "the Holy One of Israel" in the Bible. You aren't allowed to just randomly assign titles to Jesus that he was never called.
Sure HE is

The Angel told Mary that the child inside her is "the Holy One" = Luke chapter 1

All the angels in Heaven know JESUS is the Holy One as they fall down and worship Him = Revelation
All the Saints know JESUS is the Holy One as they also worship Him = Revelation
All the demons know JESUS is the Holy One and are terrified of Him = Mark 1:24

Now there was a man in their synagogue with an unclean spirit. And he cried out, saying, “Let us alone! What have we to do with You, Jesus of Nazareth? Did You come to destroy us?
I know who You are—the Holy One of God!”
 
@Keiw1

Teaching the scriptures is not your calling. I have already shown you how you do not understand Proverbs 8:27,28 ~ not even close. Jesus Christ is Jehovah in his Deity! We shall be on the offense starting within a day or two. Then I will give you some proof of Jesus Christ's Deity.

Maybe not in your New World Translation which does not count! You saying that like you know the Hebrew language, of course you are just repeating what others have lied to you concerning. Even if a Jew, who is one by nature, said this, I still would not trust him, for we have it in our Bibles, and by faith we believe every single word is inspired of God, and is not to be tampered with.

Do you truly know just how foolish that would sound in the ears of Pharaoh? "I will be what i will be"...I AM THAT I AM is powerful! I would take time to give you some examples, but why should I? It would be casting pearls before swines!
Psalm 110:1 proves 100% Jehovah is NOT Jesus.
 

We do not expect the false cult of the JW's to know our God's name ~ Jehovah is His name, God is His title.​

What Is God’s Name?​

Exodus 3:13-15~"And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations."

Exodus 6:3~"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Psalm 83:18~"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth."

The Bible records the names of many gods – Ashtoreth of the Zidonians, Baal of the Phoenicians, Chemosh of the Moabites, Dagon of the Philistines, Milcom of the Ammonites, and many others.

Religions in the world today have names for their gods – Allah for Islam, Krishna and Vishnu and Shiva among many deities of the Hindus, the Great Spirit of the American Indians, and many others.

Paul admitted the world’s many gods, but they are nothing. Christians know there is only one God (1st Corinthians 8:4-6). Paul exposed the Greek’s idolatry, polytheism, and ignorance of the true God (Acts 17:18-31

A Creator God is easily known by creation, providence, and conscience, but the Bible is the only supernatural source that names God and provides all the attributes of His Person, character, and conduct.

The Bible begins with God existing in eternity and creating the universe from nothing (Genesis chapter one). This God revealed Himself to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as the one only Almighty God (Genesis 17:1; 28:3)

The Bible mocks all other gods as nonexistent figments of human imagination and men serving them as being as stupid as their idols and held captive by their own lies (Psalm 115:1-8; Isaiah 43:8-15; 44:7-10)

But God chose one nation on earth for religious worship, and He revealed Himself much more fully to them, including His name. The Creator God of the Bible is Jehovah, "which means, I AM THAT I AM".

This eternal, independent, and infinite Being is the only God. Any contrary claim has no basis beyond the imagination and lies of men. For example, Allah may be no more than the moon god of the Arabians.

The four consonants of I AM THAT I AM form the Jewish tetragrammaton, which the KJV identifies over 6,000 times as LORD (all capitals). The tetragrammaton pointed up with vowels is Jehovah.

Many Bible names include portions or all of Jehovah as prefixes or suffixes e.g. Jehovah-Jireh (Genesis 22:14), Jehoshua (Numbers 13:16), Jehoshaphat (2nd Samuel 8:16), Elijah (1st Kings 17:1), and Alleluia (Revelation 19:1).

Jehovah, I AM THAT I AM, is the only true and living God, the Creator God of the Bible. His Son is Jesus, or Jehoshua in Hebrew, which means Jehovah is salvation, as the angel specified (Matthew 1:21).
The Hebrew scholars say that ot statement does not translate-i am that i am.
The Wicked removed Gods name by satans will and replaced it with titles-GOD or LORD= a major atrocity--One proves 100% as does their religion whose will they give support to on that super important matter. All using the altered translations are being mislead to LOSE.
 
@Keiw1
Psalm 110:1 proves 100% Jehovah is NOT Jesus.
"Never" said God was Jesus, but what I have said is Jesus was God manifest in human flesh. Learn the difference. God is a Spirit, and that can never change. You need to listen better, and free yourself from that false cult that has your mind captive to their lies.

I will address #239 later.

More on this tomorrow.
 
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