Why do you apply a discussion that you misunderstand just to make an accusation of my stance on the rest of the Bible? You keep making big mistakes.
Significance of the Virgin Birth
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101G
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GINOLJC, to all.The birth of Jesus to a virgin is fulfillment of part of Gen 3:15. Although it never was anticipated that a woman's offspring would come forth from a woman never mating with a man, this was God's wisdom to bring it forth in this fashion. It also was by God's Spirit overshadowing of Mary that this birth came about and also made Jesus physically as God's Son, which can be said while recognizing Christ's preexistence as part of this conception.
Without this doctrine, a person cannot be recognizable as a Christian. Without this type of conception and birth, Jesus cannot be the exact image of the Father so as to overcome the loss of Adam being in the image of God after the Fall.
Maybe some people can guess why I posted this thread here.
101G agree that the virgin birth is the fulfillment, but just a few things.
A., Jesus is not born, his body was. (see Isaiah 9:6).
if he preexist how can "he" God be born?
Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"
here, the term, "Express", means EXACT.
Your guess is yours, but from your topic heading, it shows the ONENESS of God is a plurality of diversity.Maybe some people can guess why I posted this thread here.
101G.
There was no one called Jesus until the incarnation. I do not know how your system of belief connects the details
Uh. If God' Son is pre-existing without a body, then the gaining of a body through a woman is called birth.
Indeed. Jesus is God and has the exact image. He is not going to be an incorrect image of God the Father. So I'm not sure where the confusion is about his incarnation.
You are speaking of modalism and that sort of makes the Son into a blurring with the Father instead of existing in accord with scripture in distinction from the Father.
101G
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Joshua, Hebrews 4:8 "For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day."
the name Joshua: H3091 יְהוֹשׁוּעַ YhowShuw`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah) n/p.
יְהוֹשֻׁעַ YhowShu`a (yeh-ho-shoo'-ah)
1. Yahweh-saved.
2. Jehoshua (i.e. Joshua), the Jewish leader.
[from H3068 and H3467]
KJV: Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Joshua.
Root(s): H3068, H3467
H3068 יְהוָה Yhvah (yeh-vaw') n/p.
יְהוָֹה Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
יְהוֹ Yhow (yeh-ho') [as a prefix]
1. (meaning) the self-Existent or Eternal, the I AM.
2. (person) Yahweh (Yehvah), Jewish national name of God.
3. (anglicized) Jehovah.
4. (as a name prefix) Yeho-.
5. (As expressed in Hebraic Koine Greek) ἐγώ εἰμί, I AM (literally: I myself, I am).
[from H1961]
KJV: Jehovah, the Lord.
Root(s): H1961
NOW the name connected to JESUS,
JESUS: G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (yee-sous') n/p.
1. (meaning) He is Salvation, Yahweh saves (i.e. the Savior).
2. (person) Jesus (i.e. Yeshua, Yehoshua), the name of our Lord, also called the Last Adam.
3. (person) Joshua (i.e. Yehoshua) an Israelite, the servant and successor of Moses.
4. (person) Jeshua, also called Justus, an Israelite, a coworker with Paul.
5. (NOTE) (“Jesus” is a valid English transliteration, coming from Ancient Hebrew to Koine Greek (via the Septuagint) to Latin to Old English to Modern English. It is completely acceptable to God (Yahweh) for us call upon the Savior's name as “Jesus,” or “Iesous,” or “Yeshua,” or even “Yesu” as in Christian Arabic or in the Fijian Islands, et al. God prepared for all nations to be able to trust in the Savior and to call upon his name by preparing a language dialect for international use: the Hebraic-Koine Greek. Thus, technically and formally, the pronunciation “Iesous” was intentionally established by the Savior as the common basis for Jewish and Gentile acknowledgment of his Redemption and Salvation, going forth as needed into every tribe, native tongue, people, and nation. “Yeshua” is of course delightfully acceptable to him, when it is not used as an exclusionary name. Love edifies).
6. (NOTE) (Revelation 3:12).
[of Hebrew origin (H3442 as the shortened form of H3091)]
KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3442
NOW, WAS THIS NAME IN THE O.T.? YES, HIDDEN BUT YET REVEALED? YES,
H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091
JESUS, or YESHUA the name come from? it is the Strong's # is (H3442), look this Strong’s number up. it is written Yod-Shin-Vav-Ayin, it is a masculine noun that means, "He is salvation" or "He saves”. for only God SAVES. H3442 יֵשׁוַּע Yeshuwa` (yay-shoo'-ah) n/l.
1. he will save.
2. Jeshua, the name of ten Israelites, also of a place in Israel.
[for H3091]
KJV: Jeshua.
Root(s): H3091
in the Greek, it's G2424 Ἰησοῦς Iesous (ee-ay-sous`) n/p.
1.Jesus (i.e. Jehoshua) of Hebrew origin (H3091)
2.KJV: Jesus
Root(s): H3091
Hope that helped.
101G
101G
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Error, the birth produce a "SOUL", which God already have. remember your scriptures, flesh can only reproduce flesh, and also no flesh can birth a spirit, spirits are "GIVEN"
A. Genesis 2:7 "And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul."
B. Isaiah 42:5 "Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:"
hope that helped.
101G.
101G
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Error, the answer is in the "EQUAL SHARE". not a separation, or distinction, but the EQUAL Share of oneself.
101G
You may have missed that Joshua, the guy spoken of by that name in the Exodus, was a man, just like Moses. So you are not making a real point.
Not quite accurate. God is not soul but rather is spirit. Indeed flesh can only produce flesh which is why Jesus was born of a woman who is flesh. She did not create the spirit in him -- who came from God.
You deny God's ability to interact with creation in the way that is within his will and plan. You make God unable to figure out a way to do this. You deny that this was how God could reconcile humanity to himself.
101G
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101G
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Lets see what God says, ok? scripture, God speaking, Isaiah 1:14 "Your new moons and your appointed feasts my soul hateth: they are a trouble unto me; I am weary to bear them."
thank, spirits are "GIVEN". Jesus the Lord was not born. LISTEN, the son of God was born, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." son of God is flesh and blood.... BORN ..... SON OF MAN SPIRIT, given. Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace." UNDERSTAND NOW? FLESH IS BORN, SPIRIT GIVEN.
A. YOUR PERSONAL OPINION? B. no. C. no
101G.
that has no meaning to discussion here.
I have no idea where you are going with this. Do you just mean Jesus does not exist?
You just seem to deny who Jesus is.
It sounds like this is your belief system:
Oneness Pentecostals believe that Jesus is a man in whom God the Father manifested himself in
flesh. In effect, Jesus is God the Father, or more precisely the Father’s human manifestation.
Jesus died, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven as God in the flesh.
That verse (nor similar ones) are good arguments to your belief system. God can be speaking anthropomorphically or he can be speaking of the soul as the personality -- of who he is in thinking, emotions, and interactions capacities.
Not sure what your point is here. There is no problem of God giving the Word, the divine person, as the spirit of the baby born as Jesus. It sounds like you are dividing things too far such that they do not make sense anymore.
Runningman
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It would be better if you just assumed orthodox trinitarianism doesn't exist. A side-by-side comparison between what the Bible says and what your organization tells people is riddled with contradictions.
You have had a chance to convince people that the passages about Jesus as God are false or have some other meaning. I guess we have to say that unitarians are hyperliteralists except when passages point to Jesus as God.
Runningman
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There aren't any passages about Jesus being God.
That's what I have noted before. You are blind when it comes to those passages. You read as a hyperliteralist that expects the verse of Jesus saying words in an exact fashion "I am God" or someone writing "Jesus is God." Sorry that God did not write the scriptures just to keep unitarians from misunderstanding who Jesus is.
101G
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GINOLJC, to all.
101G is going with scripture, do you deny the scriptures?
no, 101G believe that the Lord Jesus is God almighty, and the ONLY God almighty.
101G hope that is clear enough.
101G.
