Significance of the Virgin Birth
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Runningman
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Yes, but, if you carried a stone over to an area then laid it down - are you going to look around at everyone watching you, smile, point at the stone, and exclaim "That stone is me!"
If it sounds silly, then it probably is.
God isn't silly and claims to be the same stone that He laid down. Scripture teaches that God (YHWH) is not the cornerstone He laid down, which would be Jesus. Jesus is simply God's chosen, anointed, and empowered prophet just as the Bible says. Jesus isn't God.
Deuteronomy 18
17Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19And I will hold accountable anyone who does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name.
e v e
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the stone is the masculine attribute of God,which was moved, but will be restored, given to man in Eden (so not related to this earth except for the fact we were imprisoned here by adam after the fall so our souls are here in the dungeon). And a man on this earth is not what is meant by 'man'... for we are in the fallen reality now. All the sons will be restored to God, meaning the 144k sons... The stakes were quite fall in the evil realm acquiring eden, affecting even cosmology.Yes, but, if you carried a stone over to an area then laid it down - are you going to look around at everyone watching you, smile, point at the stone, and exclaim "That stone is me!"
Jacob will be restored later.. . so no rapture...but he will go through trib...
I'm not going to go into greater jacob here.
If something is not understood it can be ridiculed as silly. also, not claiming my footnotes above are enough by any means to explain it to you, since it is too short = only partially explained.
In what text? in the corrupt KJV which altered His Words ?
Christ is our leader, and representative of all the sons of the 144k who will rule in eden paradise with Christ. Jesus did his job just as moses did his before God brought moses to heaven. Christ is IEUE's Son.
every soul of Him who listens to Him and hears Him is a prophet (in some sense), as is every soul in the OT who IEUE spoke to... and who spoke of their Experience of Him, enough to leave this world behind... and that includes today, every soul of the 144k He speaks to,which is not the same as holding the esau corrupted scroll and quoting it on forums. nor the same as being a pastor trained by esau in universities run by esaus.
That said, the 'I am saved already' and the 'Holy Spirit is in me' and I am receiving words from the Holy Spirit - those phrases people say... most often no. For that is usually greater jacob following the KJV and therefore anti - christ. meaning, against Christ.
Simply, jacob is spelled, confused by the corrupt scroll = sealed vision... and his soul has not died to this world as is the case with the 144k... (I don't mean physically)... but rather, leave the world behind and follow me which is the message from christ. It doesn't mean God will not rescue jacob... the 144k sons and daughters as the two witnesses of Him and of His Spirit, our mother, will return here with Christ to help jacob during tribulation.
There is no sect today or religion calling itself christianity who is listening... for they have believed eden paradise was/will be on 'this earth', that God created this earth, that God created this body. None of that is true.
The 144k are not in a particular christian group, but out of Jacob, all of jacob... and this includes even catholics... any soul of Him who meets His conditions. Joining any church on earth is not meeting the conditions. Continuing to do Catholic sacraments such as baptism (a baal religion practice) is NOT meeting His conditions. preaching the corrupt KJV is not meeting His conditions.
the corrupt scroll is the big problem jacob has. our job is to be able to know what words were His among all the words written down including the wicked ones evilly mixed into His own, and to listen to Him.
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e v e
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yes but the kjv is fully of silly things added by esau ---- things which He never said, ommissions, things moved around etc.Yes, but, if you carried a stone over to an area then laid it down - are you going to look around at everyone watching you, smile, point at the stone, and exclaim "That stone is me!"
If it sounds silly, then it probably is.
God isn't silly and claims to be the same stone that He laid down. Scripture teaches that God (YHWH) is not the cornerstone He laid down, which would be Jesus. Jesus is simply God's chosen, anointed, and empowered prophet just as the Bible says. Jesus isn't God.
Deuteronomy 18
17Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well. 18I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. 19And I will hold accountable anyone who does not listen to My words that the prophet speaks in My name.
Runningman
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My post was originally to someone who insisted that Romans 10 teaches that Jesus is YHWH, but when the quotations from Romans 10 are looked up in the Old Testament, they prove that Jesus is not YHWH, e.g, God is not His own cornerstone that He laid. You seem to show awareness of this, if I understand you correctly, so good on you.
e v e
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I refer to ieue, not yhwh, since the consonantal form reflects egyptian influence.My post was originally to someone who insisted that Romans 10 teaches that Jesus is YHWH, but when the quotations from Romans 10 are looked up in the Old Testament, they prove that Jesus is not YHWH, e.g, God is not His own cornerstone that He laid. You seem to show awareness of this, if I understand you correctly, so good on you.
thank you.
civic
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It’s actually a passage which defends the deity of Christ as YHWH.
Another uni passage that exposes their errors
Joel 2:32
32 "And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;
For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.
Below we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord according to the N.T.
Romans 10:9-13
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of C all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."
From BDB Hebrew lexicon once again proving all Unitarians are wrong about Adonai. This is another unitarian strawman I just dismantled.
b. Adonay proper name of God, parallel with Yahweh, substitution for it often by scribal error, & eventually supplanting it. In earlier Isaiah 3:17 + (19 t. seeming to belong here), Amos 7:7,8; Amos 9:1; Ezekiel 18:25,29; Ezekiel 33:17,20; Ezekiel 21:14 (probably ׳אֲדֹנָי י as in usual phrase); Zechariah 9:4; Malachi 1:12,14; Lamentations 1:14 + (14 t.) Psalm 2:4; Psalm 37:13; Psalm 78:65; Psalm 90:17 (? יהוה) Psalm 110:5(Dalman puts most of these below (a); — many cases are doubtful); 1 Kings 3:10,15 (Masoretic אדני for יהוה compare Dalm 2 Kings 7:6; Dalm rightly questions; he reads יהוה). The phrases אֲדֹנָי אֱלֹהַיPsalm 38:16; Psalm 86:12, Adonay my God; אֲדֹנָי הָאֱלֹהִים Daniel 9:3, אֱלֹהֵינוּ ׳אDaniel 9:9,15, הָאֵל ׳א Daniel 9:4 favour taking ׳א Daniel 1:2; Daniel 9:7,8 (יהוה ?) Daniel 9:16; Daniel 9:17; Daniel 9:19; Daniel 9:19; Daniel 9:19 as the divine name.
4 אֲדֹנָי יהוה (a) my Lord Yahweh (see יהוה) Genesis 15:2,8 (JE) Joshua 7:7 (J, ᵐ5 omit ׳י) Deuteronomy 3:24; Deuteronomy 9:26; Judges 6:22; Judges 16:28; 2 Samuel 7:1 (6 t.) 1 Kings 2:26; 1 Kings 8:53; probably Amos 3:7,8; Amos 7:2,4,5; Amos 9:8; Jeremiah 1:6; Jeremiah 4:10; Jeremiah 14:13; Jeremiah 32:17,25; Ezekiel 4:14; Ezekiel 8:1; Ezekiel 9:6; Ezekiel 11:13; Ezekiel 20:49; Ezekiel 37:3 (׳יָדַע כִּי אֲני א ׳י) Ezekiel 13:9; Ezekiel 23:49; Ezekiel 24:24; Ezekiel 28:24; Ezekiel 29:16inappropriate in mouth of God; strike out אֲדֹנָי (Co) or read אֱלֹהֵיכֶם ׳י (Dalm); Micah 1:2; Zephaniah 1:7; Obadiah 1; Zechariah 9:14; Psalm 71:5; Psalm 71:16; Psalm 73:28; (b) apparently proper name Adonay YahwehIsaiah 25:8; Jeremiah 44:26; exile Isaiah 40:10+ (10 t., but Isaiah 61:1,11 read יהוה, ᵐ5); (c) uncertain whether (a) or (b) in prophetic formula אָמַר ׳י ׳א Isaiah 7:7; Isaiah 28:16; Isaiah 30:15; Isaiah 49:22; Isaiah 51:4; Isaiah 65:13; Jeremiah 7:20; Amos 1:8; Amos 3:11; Amos 5:3; Amos 7:6; Obadiah 1; Ezekiel (131 t.); ׳י ׳נְאֻם אIsaiah 56:8; Jeremiah 2:22; Amos 3:13; Amos 4:5; Amos 8:3,9,11; Ezekiel (80 t.); ׳י ׳דְּבַראֿ Ezekiel 6:3; Ezekiel 25:3; Ezekiel 36:4; ׳י ׳נִשְׁבַּע א Amos 4:2; Amos 6:8; ׳י׳כֹּה הִרְאַנִי א Amos 7:1,4; Amos 8:1.
5 יהוה אֲדֹנָי Yahweh my Lord Psalm 68:21; Psalm 109:21; Psalm 140:8; Psalm 141:8; Habakkuk 3:9.
6 אֲדֹנָי יהוה צְבָאוֺת (a) my Lord Yahweh ‚.(see צבאות) Psalm 69:7; Amos 9:5; Isaiah 10:23; Isaiah 22:5,12; Isaiah 28:22compare ׳אֱלֹהֵי הַצְבָאוֺת א ׳י, Yahweh, the God of Hosts my LordAmos 5:16; (b) a divine name, Adonay, Yahweh ‚. Jeremiah 46:10 (twice in verse); Jeremiah 50:25; (c) uncertain are ׳צ ׳י ׳כֹּה אָמַר א Isaiah 10:24; Isaiah 22:14,15; ׳נְאֻם א ׳צ ׳י Isaiah 3:15; Jeremiah 2:19; Jeremiah 49:5; Jeremiah 50:31.
hope this helps !!!
Runningman
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This isn't about Jesus, it's about God. The Lord we call on to be saved in YHWH who is God. Jesus is a man certified by God (YHWH) and not God Himself. God did miracles through Jesus. Jesus didn't do the actual miracles, but rather God did. The below verses are crystal clear. I hope this helps!!
Acts 2
21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’
22Men of Israel, listen to this message: Jesus of Nazareth was a man certified by God to you by miracles, wonders, and signs, which God did among you through Him, as you yourselves know.
civic
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Nope it’s about the only Lord one must call upon to be saved- Jesus Christ who is YHWH.
Next fallacy
Runningman
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Nonsense. Acts 2:21,22 does not say what you said at all. It says Jesus is a man through who God worked through. The Lord is God who we call on to be saved. The Lord God is YHWH, not Jesus. Denile isn't just a river in Egypt it seems!
civic
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We are discussing Roman’s 10:9-14.
Nice bait n switch
Stay on the passage and quit diverting and dodging
Runningman
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Romans 10:9-14 has a parallel where the same words are used in Acts 2:21 "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved..." which is a lot clearer and not easy to misunderstand. How could Jesus be YHWH when it says he's a man certified by God and through whom God worked through?
are you kidding? Do you not think that God the Father would endorse his Son who is also YHWH whom the Father sent? The quotes in the NT of passages in the OT that use YHWH is pointing to Jesus as YHWH. The problem is that the Greek does not have a distinct word for YHWH to show this.
Runningman
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Compare Jesus to other men authenticated by God using miracles such as Moses (Exodus 4:1-9) and Elijah (1 Kings 18:36-39) and Elisha (2 Kings 2:13,14)
Jesus is the same as them. God does miracles through people who are not God throughout the Bible.
Rowan
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The virgin birth of Jesus Christ was predicted in the Old Testament: “The Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel” (Isaiah 7:14, quoted in Matthew 1:22). There is also a possible allusion to the virgin birth in Genesis 3:15, which says that the “seed” of “the woman” would destroy the serpent.
The Bible teaches the preexistence of the eternal Son of God. In Isaiah 9:6, the child who is “born” is also the son who is “given.” In like manner, Galatians 4:4 also teaches the preexistence and virgin birth of Christ: “God sent His Son, born of a woman.” The virgin birth is important because that was the means by which “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14). The incarnation is when the eternal Son of God took on human flesh; without losing any of His divine nature, He added a human nature. That miraculous, history-changing event took place in the Virgin Mary’s womb. Got?
Runningman
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The virgin Mary gave birth to a human Lord. Yes?
Luke 1
43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
Richard
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Jesus is both fully God and fully man, a doctrine known as the Hypostatic Union. This means that during His earthly ministry, He experienced human life fully while retaining His divine nature.
- Biblical Basis: Philippians 2:6-8 states that Jesus, though in the form of God, took on the form of a servant and was born in human likeness.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=8784...cy1iZS1mdWxseS1nb2QtYW5kLWZ1bGx5LW1hbi8&ntb=1 - Dual Nature: He possesses divine authority to redeem humanity and sympathizes with our weaknesses as a man.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=6940...Lm9yZy9mdWxseS1Hb2QtZnVsbHktbWFuLmh0bWw&ntb=1 - Theological Significance: This union is central to Christian faith, affirming that Jesus can mediate between God and humanity.
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=f2ea...XNfamVzdXNfZnVsbHlfZ29kX2FuZF9tYW4uaHRt&ntb=1
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really? I cannot take you seriously here. Neither Moses nor Elijah did a miracle to show they were able to give divine forgiveness. We see differences of miracles by Jesus. (This post addresses part of another discussion.) Jesus' divinity appears to many places so there is no reasonable rejection of his divinity.
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