Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

Missed the point completely. Do you seriously believe there's no difference between "IN" (John 20:22) and "ON" (Acts 2:4)

In the Old testament, any number of people had the Holy Spirit ON them, but NOBODY had Him IN them. that's a NEW testament thing exclusively,
Oh, if only the writers knew we'd be hanging on to every word 2 thousand years hence.
Perhaps they would have been super careful with every word used...
instead of conveying ideas/concepts of what they taught.
 
Oh, if only the writers knew we'd be hanging on to every word 2 thousand years hence.
Perhaps they would have been super careful with every word used...
instead of conveying ideas/concepts of what they taught.
The Holy Spirit was super careful with every word used when the writers produced their part of the Bible. Translaters/Interpretors who produced the various versions we have today perhaps not so much. If you don't believe the original work was perfect and infallible, you cannot claim it is the word of God. God does not make mistakes.
 
So where was the Spirit before Ezekiel 3:24?
Exo 31:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "See, I have called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, 3 and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with ability and intelligence, with knowledge and all craftsmanship,4 to devise artistic designs, to work in gold, silver, and bronze,5 in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, to work in every craft.
 
The Holy Spirit was super careful with every word used when the writers produced their part of the Bible. Translaters/Interpretors who produced the various versions we have today perhaps not so much. If you don't believe the original work was perfect and infallible, you cannot claim it is the word of God. God does not make mistakes.
I agree.
Another reason we don't all agree on everything is because of denominations....
Not all denominations teach the same...for the reason you stated above.

I DO find myself debating a word at times...
but, yes, it's due to doctrinal issues.
 
Exo 31:1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "See, I have called by name Bezalel the son of Uri, son of Hur, of the tribe of Judah, 3 and I have filled him with the Spirit of God, with ability and intelligence, with knowledge and all craftsmanship,4 to devise artistic designs, to work in gold, silver, and bronze,5 in cutting stones for setting, and in carving wood, to work in every craft.
The other member posted Ezekiel 3:24.
I wanted his understanding on this.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit indwelt persons in the OT? (generally speaking...not specific persons).

If so,,,how do you believe the Mosaic Covenant differs from the New Covenant?
(since God has always demanded obedience).
 
Oh, if only the writers knew we'd be hanging on to every word 2 thousand years hence.
Perhaps they would have been super careful with every word used...
instead of conveying ideas/concepts of what they taught.
Truly it was written just fine . its just men like to twist things .
If you notice in todays age
many seem to have a very scrambled mind and what is clearly written
they do twist . What a lot do not know is
versions like the message Did exactly that , conveyed their own concepts into what THEY thought it should be saying .
As does this generation .
Its became the most entitled to its own opinion
DUE TO what came upon these churches over twenty plus years ago .
I watched this occur .
Would you like to know how it was able to take hold and grab hold of so many within christendom .
IT began just like this .
Imagine a church and its holding its wednesday night bible study .
You have one speaker , the main speaker
and a small group seated around him . HE reads a scripture
THEN he asks each person to tell him what THEY believe it means .
SO they begin . The first answers , but its actually wrong , but the teacher says
good job anyway to make them FEEL accepted
and on it goes , SOME get it right , some get it wrong , they even contradict each others answers
AND yet the whole time , NONE was corrected , all were praised as if his or her opinoin was truth .
THEY DESTROYED the churches . IT became Based and centered on PLEASING the people
on making all feel welcome and accepted . THE DEVIL is SLICK my friend .
 
I agree.
Another reason we don't all agree on everything is because of denominations....
Not all denominations teach the same...for the reason you stated above.

I DO find myself debating a word at times...
but, yes, it's due to doctrinal issues.
SO then WHY dont we just start over . JUST in the bible .
Tis what i been saying by grace ALL ALONG .
You would be amazed at how fast things could have cleared up in time .
Sure some will flee , but the ones remaining would have grown IN THE FAITH .
We cannot become as the many
who now focus ON common ground and lets just get along stuff .
THE DOCTRINE MATTERS .
WHO WE SERVE MATTERS
WHOSE WORDS WE LOVE MATTERS .
that is what WE ARE supposed to be LIKE MINDED ON , was THE TRUE PURE AND HOLY DOCTRINE
of the LORD .
And if one causes divisions CONTRARY TO said doctrine , ITS THOSE WHO SHOULD have been REBUKED
corrected .
RATHER it has become THE doctrine of a false love of the world and all about reconciling
the lost with the lost . man with man . Men pleasing things and tatics
AND no concern at all about what MIGHT EVEN OFFEND GOD . its all flipped only most cannot see this .
 
Truly it was written just fine . its just men like to twist things .
If you notice in todays age
many seem to have a very scrambled mind and what is clearly written
they do twist . What a lot do not know is
versions like the message Did exactly that , conveyed their own concepts into what THEY thought it should be saying .
As does this generation .
Its became the most entitled to its own opinion
DUE TO what came upon these churches over twenty plus years ago .
I watched this occur .
Would you like to know how it was able to take hold and grab hold of so many within christendom .
IT began just like this .
Imagine a church and its holding its wednesday night bible study .
You have one speaker , the main speaker
and a small group seated around him . HE reads a scripture
THEN he asks each person to tell him what THEY believe it means .
SO they begin . The first answers , but its actually wrong , but the teacher says
good job anyway to make them FEEL accepted
and on it goes , SOME get it right , some get it wrong , they even contradict each others answers
AND yet the whole time , NONE was corrected , all were praised as if his or her opinoin was truth .
THEY DESTROYED the churches . IT became Based and centered on PLEASING the people
on making all feel welcome and accepted . THE DEVIL is SLICK my friend .
Agreed.
I replied to this in my post 405.
 
Agreed.
I replied to this in my post 405.
allow a real short reminder .
Have you noticed that in this generation
its become all about NOT OFFENDING anyone
they will shut down any kind of TRUTH that might offend .
IN other words this generation has now become
LETS NOT OFFEND humanity
BUT CARES NOT ONE BIT What OFFFENDS GOD .
IN fact what it allows to remain IS HIGHLY OFFENSIVE TO GOD and SHOULD have been CORRECTED .
its all flipped . its all went backwards now .
THE SHEEP MUST contend for the true faith like never before . We must get back into our bibles
and stay refreshed in the truth and be speaking it to one another daily .
 
The other member posted Ezekiel 3:24.
I wanted his understanding on this.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit indwelt persons in the OT? (generally speaking...not specific persons).

If so,,,how do you believe the Mosaic Covenant differs from the New Covenant?
(since God has always demanded obedience).
The indwelling Holy Spirit is a New Covenant work of the Holy Spirit. The empowering Holy Spirit is a work of the Holy Spirit that existed almost from the very beginning, but it was a very selective work, unlike the New Covenant indwelling Holy Spirit which every saved individual enjoys.
 
God's promise of eternal life has always been conditional.
No. If that was so. God would not call it eternal life. he would have called it life conditioned..
There's too many verses that show us that to deny it.
There are non when taken in context that deny it.

If you choose to live in denial of the truth of scripture, you are free to so, but there are consequences.
Yes there will be.. You will not like it when you meet Jesus and try to boast of all your works.
 
Of course those verses are true, IF WE CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM.
lol

I am confident that he WILL COMPLETE.

He did not say I am confident that I will allow him to complete

He then said by one offereing he perfected forever.

So the perfection is done.. Now we are being sanctified (made to be like christ)




"Take care, BRETHREN, that there not be in any one of you an evil, unbelieving heart in falling away from the living God." Hebrews 3:12

For IF, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, 'A dog returns to its own vomit', and 'A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.' " 2 Peter 2:20-22
A dog was a dog. He was never saved, never changed,

He tried a new trick, but when push came to shove, he proved he was still a dog.

Those people were condemned, not only by peter, but by Jude. as false teachers.
 
if one could. then why did not Christ just remain in heaven, and force us all to be on our own. and do it?
Because no one has.
and what about those in adam are already dead?
No one except Adam was/is/will be dead in Adam. Original Sin is a ruse. It is a false doctrine. The spirit God forms in man is alive and well. It dies in man when he sins. Same as with Adam.
 
The other member posted Ezekiel 3:24.
I wanted his understanding on this.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit indwelt persons in the OT? (generally speaking...not specific persons).

If so,,,how do you believe the Mosaic Covenant differs from the New Covenant?
(since God has always demanded obedience).
For finding fault WITH THEM
HE says behold the days cometh wherein i will make a NEW covenant with them .
The blood of bulls and of goats could only cleanse as pertains to the flesh
The BLOOD of CHRIST cleanses even the inner conscious of man .
The old was written on stones carried out by the letter of the law
The new is written on our hearts by THE SPIRIT by which we were sealed after we BELEIVED .
AFTER WE BELIEVED .
And yes GOD has always ordained that we walk in good works and to flee the evil .
ITS JUST NOW we are MADE HIS WORKMAN SHIP UNTO those good works HE had ordained
we walk in . The beauty of the LORD and HIS saving life changing grace of JESUS THE CHRIST .
And its dire necessary in this age TO REMIND EVEN MOST OF CHRISTENDOM
of this fact . ALWAYS remember and let us keep in memory
IF JESUS said it , IT IS TRUTH and meant only for our good , to the good of those who do hear and obey .
The serpent once convinced eve to eat of the tree
the tree of which GOD had said that in the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die .
HE used a truth he twisted to convince her SHE WOULD NOT DIE , but just become as gods to know good and evil .
BUT THEY DID DIE , yet they did become as gods to know good and evil , JUST as GOD said .
AND since the day they ate of the tree DEATH has passed upon all , for all have sinned .
BUT GOD GAVE US the way out . ONLY TODAY
it seems yet again the serpent is doing all to convince not only the world but most all of chirstendom
that surely ye , surely they , shall not be damned if they believe not .
BUT JESUS SAID THEY WOULD . which one we gonna beleive , JESUS or the serpent who lies .
THAT HAS BEEN my point all along . ITS TIME as children we BELIEVE EVERY WORD OF THE LORD
and beware of men for many have surely twisted the scrips unto their own destruction
as well as unto all who sit and sup upon them twisted scrips .
 
No. If that was so. God would not call it eternal life. he would have called it life conditioned..

There are non when taken in context that deny it.


Yes there will be.. You will not like it when you meet Jesus and try to boast of all your works.
The gospel by which you are saved , IF YOU KEEP IN MEMORY
lest , lest YE have beleived IN VAIN .
I do notice you often speak of false teachers . OH THERE BE MANY INDEED my friend .
And it sure seems many sit under such ones . Yall just wait
till ya see what vance is going to do to the evangelical realm .
ALREAY HE DOES what i warned Was coming .
HIMS a catholic , he is intefaith , as IS THE RCC
and now he even uses partial truths to connect us with it .
I SEEN this coming for a long time . I KNEW they were going to wear down the peoples
and then offer and continue to offer up the false solution .
And when i seen what vance told the peoples , OH ITS HERE .
I told us , and that by grace , the solution was not going to point them to politics
BUT TO THIS SO called religoin of the HARLOT . AND NOW he is doing just that .
HOW Long will it take this people
TO FLEE any kind of hope in any men and start again TO TRUST ONLY IN GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS .
 
who?

if one could. then why did not Christ just remain in heaven, and force us all to be on our own. and do it?

and what about those in adam are already dead?
OH you must have forgotten something . HE dont leave HIS SHEEP all alone .
THEY has the COMFORTER . IT IS HE who worketh in us that which is well pleasing to GOD .
My advice , HEED THE SPIRIT and not the nasty contrary flesh .
AND let us be heavily feasting on the bible to also learn and to grow and to be REMINDED
of what many false ones no longer remind . THE WHOLE TRUTH .
These be the last of days my friend and the delusion growth stronger and larger by the hour .
Many are sipping of the wrong love cup my friend .
 
The indwelling Holy Spirit is a New Covenant work of the Holy Spirit. The empowering Holy Spirit is a work of the Holy Spirit that existed almost from the very beginning, but it was a very selective work, unlike the New Covenant indwelling Holy Spirit which every saved individual enjoys.
My understanding exactly.
 
who?

if one could. then why did not Christ just remain in heaven, and force us all to be on our own. and do it?

and what about those in adam are already dead?
as of late you may have noticed i have warned some to beware of the fourteenth lion .
The one who cometh to continue the works of his father .
AND vance sure seems to be pointing us right to this fourteenth lion .
Ever wonder how this pope got its name
WELL allow me to use his own words . IT WAS AI that helped influence him . HE SAID THIS .
HE noticed also how leo the thirteenth was a great co helper to the INSTURIAL REVOLUTION that changed the world .
AS HE NOW SAYS about HIM SELF , HE IS of the AI revolutoin that will change the world .
ARTIFICIAL INTELLEGENCE . and folks think we aint in the last days .
THAT THING has images that can speak . SOMETHING is dead wrong and this people seem not to see
or understand they are being led RIGHT TO THE LIE that cliams itself as the love of GOD . But is of the dragon
of that which is of anti christ , and has promised them world peace n safety . that peace
GONNA DESTROY MANY . something is dead wrong and many cannot see it .
JESUS NEVER came to bring peace on earth .
BUT IT SURE WAS FORETOLD ANOTHER who cometh in his own name SURE WOULD
and that by HIS peace would destroy many . SOMETHING IS DEAD WRONG . now we must bible up
again for ourselves and fast .
 
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