Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

[Eternally-Grateful]

It is important to understand that the "law of the Spirit" is different from the "law of sin and death"; but nevertheless, it is a law. We, as children of God, live under that law. We must strive to know what that law is. Unfortunately, most do not spend much time trying to know and understand what that law really is.

It’s simple actually

It’s based on two Commands

Love lord your God and neighbor as self

On these commands hang all the law and priphets

It’s not about following rules. It’s about serving others. Do these two things you will not fulfill lists of the flesh

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

We are commanded to keep the law of Christ.

yes

Not to get saved or stay saved

But to be blessed.

Blessed are you if you do them

 

[dwight92070]

I write to you these things so you may know you have eternal life and continue to believe in his name

Faith is based on hope and knowledge we have eternal life

Not hope in self and how good we may or may not be

Faith produces works

In the hope If eternal life. Which God, who can not lie. Promised before time began

Faith is the substance of things hoped for. The evidence of things not seen

Scripture is clear. Hope is in Christ. Not self

Praying for you

The word "continue" is not in that verse. Also the verse is reversed from how it was written. You put the first phrase at the end and the last phrase at the beginning - making it look like the result of our knowledge that we have eternal life is what keeps us in line and in faith. So you to add to the verse and make adjustments to it, to get it to "agree" with your point.

If that's what keeps us in our faith, then the authors of the New Testament sure wasted a lot of ink, in warning us over and over again to beware of falling away from the faith.

 

[Johann]

The word "continue" is not in that verse. Also the verse is reversed from how it was written. You put the first phrase at the end and the last phrase at the beginning - making it look like the result of our knowledge that we have eternal life is what keeps us in line and in faith. So you to add to the verse and make adjustments to it, to get it to "agree" with your point.

Actually, the believing ones, ongoing faithfulness from believers--then sanctification, the outworking of sanctification. I do believe there's a misunderstanding between you and him, nothing serious.

J.

 

[Jim]

It’s simple actually

It’s based on two Commands

Love lord your God and neighbor as self

On these commands hang all the law and priphets

It’s not about following rules. It’s about serving others. Do these two things you will not fulfill lists of the flesh

Well yes, all the law is based upon those two commands. But that doesn't mean that those two commands constitute the whole law

 

[dwight92070]

I don't think of Christ's commands or the apostle's as rules. I see them more like an instruction manual for life - sort of like an updated version of Proverbs. Jesus said if we do them, we will be like a wise man. If we don't, we're like a foolish man. And that is New Covenant truth, since Jesus brought us the New Covenant.

 

[Johann]

I don't think of Christ's commands or the apostle's as rules. I see them more like an instruction manual for life - sort of like an updated version of Proverbs. Jesus said if we do them, we will be like a wise man. If we don't, we're like a foolish man. And that is New Covenant truth, since Jesus brought us the New Covenant.

Correct, they are not "rules" but much stronger--Imperatives, militant commands, no questions asked!

Example--"Deny self!! Take up your cross!! And you better keep on following ME!!

J.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The word "continue" is not in that verse. Also the verse is reversed from how it was written. You put the first phrase at the end and the last phrase at the beginning - making it look like the result of our knowledge that we have eternal life is what keeps us in line and in faith. So you to add to the verse and make adjustments to it, to get it to "agree" with your point.

If that's what keeps us in our faith, then the authors of the New Testament sure wasted a lot of ink, in warning us over and over again to beware of falling away from the faith.

Eternal means forever

Hence continue does not need to be written

You want conditional life and not eternal. Feel free. God will not stop you

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Actually, the believing ones, ongoing faithfulness from believers--then sanctification, the outworking of sanctification. I do believe there's a misunderstanding between you and him, nothing serious.

J.

I am confident of this very thing, he who began a good work will continue it

By one offering he has perfected forever those being sanctified

2 great verses I believe seperate the two thoughts

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Well yes, all the law is based upon those two commands. But that doesn't mean that those two commands constitute the whole law

They are how you keep the law

The law was given to expose us. Not tell us how to live. Tell us how we fail

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I don't think of Christ's commands or the apostle's as rules. I see them more like an instruction manual for life - sort of like an updated version of Proverbs. Jesus said if we do them, we will be like a wise man. If we don't, we're like a foolish man. And that is New Covenant truth, since Jesus brought us the New Covenant.

Yes you love you will not break the law

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Correct, they are not "rules" but much stronger--Imperatives, militant commands, no questions asked!

Example--"Deny self!! Take up your cross!! And you better keep on following ME!!

J.

Or what?

 

[Complete]

@dwight92070 ,
'So what happens if a Christian decides that they do not want to forgive someone? If someone killed your wife, would you forgive him? If you didn't, then Jesus said that the Father would not forgive your sins. How can that be, since you already had your sins forgiven when you got saved?'

'For if ye forgive men their trespasses,
your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses,
neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.'
(Mat 6:14-15)

Hello @dwight92070,

Forgiveness was conditional in that dispensation.
We are now living in the dispensation of the grace of God (Eph. 3:2).

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Jim]

They are how you keep the law

The law was given to expose us. Not tell us how to live. Tell us how we fail

Tell us how we fail in what? Tell us how we fail to do what?

Of course the law was given to tell us how to live.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Tell us how we fail in what? Tell us how we fail to do what?

Of course the law was given to tell us how to live.

Um no

Paul said the law was given to lead us to Christ. Moses in deuteronomy made Isreal confirm they would obey and keep every word. Well they failed to keep the first command. Let alone keep the rest of the law

James said that if we keep the whole law yet just stumble in one area we are guilty of all

If you look to the law and think you’re a good worthy person the law has failed you. The law should show you how utterly sinful you are and point to the solution. Which there is only 1 solution and that is Christ. The lamb of Gid who takes away the sin of the world

The law of love is how we obey God. The first sin you ever committed the law of Moses could only curse you. And every time you broke it. Your curse kept adding

Jesus tried to explain it. The law says….but I tell you…. The law is weak in telling us how to live. Jesus tells us why. Be ye perfect as your father is perfect. You want to get to God by how good you are. There is the standard

 

[civic]

Correct, they are not "rules" but much stronger--Imperatives, militant commands, no questions asked!

Example--"Deny self!! Take up your cross!! And you better keep on following ME!!

J.

yes they are both commands and promises- God is faithful to His word. Amen !

 

[Jim]

Um no

Paul said the law was given to lead us to Christ. Moses in deuteronomy made Isreal confirm they would obey and keep every word. Well they failed to keep the first command. Let alone keep the rest of the law

James said that if we keep the whole law yet just stumble in one area we are guilty of all

If you look to the law and think you’re a good worthy person the law has failed you. The law should show you how utterly sinful you are and point to the solution. Which there is only 1 solution and that is Christ. The lamb of Gid who takes away the sin of the world

The law of love is how we obey God. The first sin you ever committed the law of Moses could only curse you. And every time you broke it. Your curse kept adding

Jesus tried to explain it. The law says….but I tell you…. The law is weak in telling us how to live. Jesus tells us why. Be ye perfect as your father is perfect. You want to get to God by how good you are. There is the standard

I think you have entirely the wrong view and concept of God's purpose in giving the law. The simple truth is that anyone who obeyed the law perfectly as Jesus did would have eternal life and would have no need of the justification and regeneration made available through Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Without doubt that is how God would have us live. That is how one would be perfect as your Father is perfect. But as Paul stated, none have ever done so, and hence the need for salvation by the grace of God through faith in Him.

As should be obvious, so much of the NT actually repeats all of the moral character of the law.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

The weakness in the law was not due to the law, but due to man's failures. According to Romans 8:2 above, the law was weakened by man's flesh.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I think you have entirely the wrong view and concept of God's purpose in giving the law. The simple truth is that anyone who obeyed the law perfectly as Jesus did would have eternal life and would have no need of the justification and regeneration made available through Jesus Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Without doubt that is how God would have us live. That is how one would be perfect as your Father is perfect. But as Paul stated, none have ever done so, and hence the need for salvation by the grace of God through faith in Him.

As should be obvious, so much of the NT actually repeats all of the moral character of the law.

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. 3 For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

The weakness in the law was not due to the law, but due to man's failures. According to Romans 8:2 above, the law was weakened by man's flesh.

lol I do?

Do you realize you can keep the command do not commit adultry. Yet not keep it?

Yes I keep the law through the law of love

That way I do not fool myself into thinking I am good like the Pharisee did

Ps. Paul wrote it.

Gal 4 19 ;What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 ;Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 ;But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our ]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

You want to be seen righteous by the law feel free

I was led to Christ by the law. Like Paul the more I look to the law the more of a sinner I see I am. Because that was the purpose of the law

 

[Jim]

lol I do?

Do you realize you can keep the command do not commit adultry. Yet not keep it?

Yes I keep the law through the law of love

That way I do not fool myself into thinking I am good like the Pharisee did

Ps. Paul wrote it.

Gal 4 19 ;What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 ;Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.

21 is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 ;But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our ]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

You want to be seen righteous by the law feel free

I was led to Christ by the law. Like Paul the more I look to the law the more of a sinner I see I am. Because that was the purpose of the law

Are you seriously suggesting that if one lived a life perfectly as God required that he would not be accepted?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Are you seriously suggesting that if one lived a life perfectly as God required that he would not be accepted?

are you seriously saying one could do that?

Jesus did. That’s why he was an acceptable sacrifice he did what we failed to do