Sealed by the baptism en the Holy Ghost

[Bob Carabbio]

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

That is a conversion event

Exactly however the "GIFTS" are a different topic, and since there were operational in the OLD testament, they're not necessarily related to NEW Covenant salvation - or even "humanity" (remember Ballan's *** who spoke in "Tongues" or the FISH with the coin).

 

[TomL]

Exactly however the "GIFTS" are a different topic, and since there were operational in the OLD testament, they're not necessarily related to NEW Covenant salvation - or even "humanity" (remember Ballan's *** who spoke in "Tongues" or the FISH with the coin).

I was not talking about gifts but the baptism. It is saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I was not talking about gifts but the baptism. It is saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

Which, of course has nothing to do with a "Religious water ceremony" and EVERYTHING to do with being indwelled by the Holy Spirit after repenting IN FAITH (not just 'belief").

 

[TomL]

Which, of course has nothing to do with a "Religious water ceremony" and EVERYTHING to do with being indwelled by the Holy Spirit after repenting IN FAITH (not just 'belief").

Right, everything to do with being indwelt by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Jim]

Acts 15:7-8
(7) After there had been much debate, Peter stood up and said to them, Brethren, you know that in the early days God made a choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles would hear the word of the gospel and believe.
(8) And God, who knows the heart, testified to them giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He also did to us.

Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.

Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him were given (= sealed with) the Holy Spirit before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).

Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him were given the power of the Holy Spirit to work the miracle of speaking in tongues. That is quite apart from the indwelling Holy Spirit received upon being saved.

 

[TomL]

Cornelius and the other Gentiles with him were given the power of the Holy Spirit to work the miracle of speaking in tongues. That is quite apart from the indwelling Holy Spirit received upon being saved.

Um they received the Spirit

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”


The gift of the Spirit refers to the reception of the Spirit himself

They were given the spirit

Acts 15:8–9 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

 

[Jim]

Um they received the Spirit

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”


The gift of the Spirit refers to the reception of the Spirit himself

They were given the spirit

Acts 15:8–9 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Not given to them in....

Act 10:45 ....the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on ....

46 for they heard them speaking in tongues

The speaking in tongues indicate the empowering Holy Spirit, not the indwelling Holy Spirit. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is not visually discernable.

 

[TomL]

Not given to them in....

Act 10:45 ....the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out on ....

46 for they heard them speaking in tongues

The speaking in tongues indicate the empowering Holy Spirit, not the indwelling Holy Spirit. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is not visually discernable.

um The Spirit was plainly given to them

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”


The gift of the Spirit refers to the reception of the Spirit himself

They were given the spirit

Acts 15:8–9 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.


Given the Spirit
Received the Spirit
received the gift of the Spirit

Plainly the Spirit was given and indwelt them

 

[Jim]

um The Spirit was plainly given to them

Acts 10:45–47 (LEB) — 45 And those believers from the circumcision who had accompanied Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles, 46 for they heard them speaking in tongues and glorifying God. Then Peter said, 47 “Surely no one can withhold the water for these people to be baptized, who have received the Holy Spirit as we also did!”


The gift of the Spirit refers to the reception of the Spirit himself

They were given the spirit

Acts 15:8–9 (LEB) — 8 And God, who knows the heart, testified to them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as he also did to us. 9 And he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.


Given the Spirit
Received the Spirit
received the gift of the Spirit

Plainly the Spirit was given and indwelt them

Have you been given the Spirit? Do you work the miracle of speaking in tongues?

 

[TomL]

Have you been given the Spirit? Do you work the miracle of speaking in tongues?

Yes and it is not necessary to speak in tongues though I have.

It was a common, but not a necessary sign.

All within the body have been baptized en the spirit

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

and indwelt whether they speak in tongues or not.

 

[Jim]

Yes and it is not necessary to speak in tongues though I have.

It was a common, but not a necessary sign.

All within the body have been baptized en the spirit

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

and indwelt whether they speak in tongues or not.

So then, do you believe that all those spoken of in the OT who demonstrated having received the Spirit by the signs, wonders and miracles they performed were indwelt with the Holy Spirit?

 

[TomL]

So then, do you believe that all those spoken of in the OT who demonstrated having received the Spirit by the signs, wonders and miracles they performed were indwelt with the Holy Spirit?

Not in the permanent New Testament sense

John 7:38–39 (KJV 1900) — 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

 

[dwight92070]

Yes and it is not necessary to speak in tongues though I have.

It was a common, but not a necessary sign.

All within the body have been baptized en the spirit

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

and indwelt whether they speak in tongues or not.

You're not being consistent. Either write the whole sentence in Greek or in English when you quote it. When you persist in using "en", which can be either "in, with, or by", you are obviously making it sound like "in", your preferred translation.

That's not my, nor many others, preferred translation. I think it should be "by", as it is found in the NASB and others, which makes more sense in the context. Why would it say we were in one Spirit at the beginning of the verse, then say that we were all made to drink of one Spirit at the end of the verse? They are essentially the same thing.

 

[TomL]

You're not being consistent. Either write the whole sentence in Greek or in English when you quote it. When you persist in using "en", which can be either "in, with, or by", you are obviously making it sound like "in", your preferred translation.

That's not my, nor many others, preferred translation. I think it should be "by", as it is found in the NASB and others, which makes more sense in the context. Why would it say we were in one Spirit at the beginning of the verse, then say that we were all made to drink of one Spirit at the end of the verse? They are essentially the same thing.

Um that is your assumption and I stated nothing about in and do not use it for that purpose.

I write en because authors variously translate it as either in or with or by and can lead someone into imagining different things.

And I use en to show it is the Greek which is used in multiple Spirit baptism passages

Matthew 3:11 — 11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the one who comes after me is more powerful than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you en the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 — 8 I baptized you with water, but he will baptize you en the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 — 16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but the one who is more powerful than I am is coming, of whom I am not worthy to untie the strap of his sandals. He will baptize you en the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 1:33 — 33 And I did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water, that one said to me, ‘The one upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon him—this one is the one who baptizes en the Holy Spirit.’

Acts 1:5 — 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized en the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16 — 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized en the Holy Spirit.’

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

Seven verses, all concerning the baptism en the Holy Spirit

All speak of the same thing

Jesus, however, is the baptizer and the element used is the Spirit

Verse seven is clearly a verse concerning salvation - being placed in the body of Christ and indwelt by the Spirit

PS I would prefer "with" not "in"

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I was not talking about gifts but the baptism. It is saving

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit.

"Faith" is Saving. "baptism" is what you do AFTER you've been born again.

 

[TomL]

"Faith" is Saving. "baptism" is what you do AFTER you've been born again.

Water baptism yes

Spirit baptism however

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Water baptism yes

Spirit baptism however

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

You obviously have no concept of the difference between the Holy Spirit IN the Christian, and the Holy Spirit ON the Christian (the "baptism in the Holy Spirit")!!!

 

[dwight92070]

Um that is your assumption and I stated nothing about in and do not use it for that purpose.

I write en because authors variously translate it as either in or with or by and can lead someone into imagining different things.

And I use en to show it is the Greek which is used in multiple Spirit baptism passages

Matthew 3:11 — 11 I baptize you with water for repentance, but the one who comes after me is more powerful than I am, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you en the Holy Spirit and fire.

Mark 1:8 — 8 I baptized you with water, but he will baptize you en the Holy Spirit.”

Luke 3:16 — 16 John answered them all, saying, “I baptize you with water, but the one who is more powerful than I am is coming, of whom I am not worthy to untie the strap of his sandals. He will baptize you en the Holy Spirit and fire.

John 1:33 — 33 And I did not know him, but the one who sent me to baptize with water, that one said to me, ‘The one upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon him—this one is the one who baptizes en the Holy Spirit.’

Acts 1:5 — 5 For John baptized with water, but you will be baptized en the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”

Acts 11:16 — 16 And I remembered the word of the Lord, how he said, ‘John baptized with water, but you will be baptized en the Holy Spirit.’

1 Corinthians 12:13 — 13 For en one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free persons, and all were made to drink one Spirit.

Seven verses, all concerning the baptism en the Holy Spirit

All speak of the same thing

Jesus, however, is the baptizer and the element used is the Spirit

Verse seven is clearly a verse concerning salvation - being placed in the body of Christ and indwelt by the Spirit

PS I would prefer "with" not "in"

Great, you prefer "with", so put that in your verses. "En" is getting downright annoying.