Scripture teaches that Jesus was not involved in his resurrection

[Runningman]

run, this is what you said,
Runningman said:
"Did Jesus pray to be saved in Hebrews 5:7. Yes or no."

before that you said,
"Now put your eyes back on Hebrews 5:7. Jesus has a savior, yes or no?"
so why would Jesus need God to be his saviour? again, why and what for? see run, there is only ONE saviour, Isaiah 45:21 "Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me."

you're reproved again

101G.

You are running from Scripture still. Why would anyone need to run away from what the Bible says unless it was their enemy?

And as far as God being the only savior, yes that is true, but Jesus is the savior God made (Acts 2:36) and exalted (Acts 5:31) because Jesus is a prince compared to God. However, there are also other saviors besides Jesus that God made.

God made Moses a savior:

Exodus 3​

10Therefore, go! I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring My people the Israelites out of Egypt.”​

God made Othniel a savior:

Judges 3​

9But when the Israelites cried out to the LORD, He raised up Othniel son of Caleb’s younger brother Kenaz as a deliverer to save them. ​

God made Ehud a savior:

Judges 3​

15And again they cried out to the LORD, and He raised up Ehud son of Gera, a left-handed Benjamite, as their deliverer. So they sent him with tribute to Eglon king of Moab.​

God made Shamgar a savior:

Judges 3​

31After Ehud came Shamgar son of Anath. And he too saved Israel, striking down six hundred Philistines with an oxgoad.​

God made Jesus a savior:

Acts 2​

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”​

God is Jesus' Savior:

Hebrews 5​

7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.​

So God is the only savior, but Jesus isn't the only savior. The only one who makes saviors is God Himself and in that way He is the only Savior.

Now that you have been chased away from your false doctrine, don't repeat it again. Answer what I asked about Hebrews 5:7 please.

 

[101G]

You are running from Scripture still. Why would anyone need to run away from what the Bible says unless it was their enemy?

And as far as God being the only savior, yes that is true, but Jesus is the savior God made (Acts 2:36) and exalted (Acts 5:31) because Jesus is a prince compared to God. However, there are also other saviors besides Jesus that God made.

God made Moses a savior:

Exodus 3​

10Therefore, go! I am sending you to Pharaoh to bring My people the Israelites out of Egypt.”​

God made Othniel a savior:

Judges 3​

9But when the Israelites cried out to the LORD, He raised up Othniel son of Caleb’s younger brother Kenaz as a deliverer to save them. ​

God made Ehud a savior:

Judges 3​

15And again they cried out to the LORD, and He raised up Ehud son of Gera, a left-handed Benjamite, as their deliverer. So they sent him with tribute to Eglon king of Moab.​

God made Shamgar a savior:

Judges 3​

31After Ehud came Shamgar son of Anath. And he too saved Israel, striking down six hundred Philistines with an oxgoad.​

God made Jesus a savior:

Acts 2​

36Therefore let all Israel know with certainty that God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Christ!”​

God is Jesus' Savior:

Hebrews 5​

7During the days of Jesus’ earthly life, He offered up prayers and petitions with loud cries and tears to the One who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverence.​

So God is the only savior, but Jesus isn't the only savior. The only one who makes saviors is God Himself and in that way He is the only Savior.

Now that you have been chased away from your false doctrine, don't repeat it again. Answer what I asked about Hebrews 5:7 please.

GINOLJC, to all,
Run all these saviors are physical saviors, see my post at .....

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101G.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all,
Run all these saviors are physical saviors, see my post at .....

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101G.

Jesus is also a physical savior who saved phyiscal people with his physical death and physical blood. Do you now reject the blood of Christ for your idol as well?

 

[101G]

Jesus is also a physical savior who saved phyiscal people with his physical death and physical blood. Do you now reject the blood of Christ for your idol as well?

LOL, LOL, is sin physical?

101G.

 

[Runningman]

LOL, LOL, is sin physical?

101G.

There can be sin against the physical body, yes.

1 Cor. 8
18Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

 

[101G]

There can be sin against the physical body, yes.

1 Cor. 8
18Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a man can commit is outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.

Run do you know and understand the difference between sin and iniquity? listen, Matthew 5:27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:" Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

see the Lord Jesus saved us from sin, (which is spiritual), which no physical savior can do.

now do you understand?

101G.

 

[Runningman]

Run do you know and understand the difference between sin and iniquity? listen, Matthew 5:27 "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:" Matthew 5:28 "But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

see the Lord Jesus saved us from sin, (which is spiritual), which no physical savior can do.

now do you understand?

101G.

In any case, Jesus isn't the only phyiscal savior nor the only savior. I am sure you have more excuses. Please state them so we can deal with them one by one.

 

[101G]

In any case, Jesus isn't the only phyiscal savior nor the only savior. I am sure you have more excuses. Please state them so we can deal with them one by one.

GINOLJC, to all
you still don't understand .... do you? the salvation that the Lord Jesus gave us was a deliverance from Sin. not from any oppressor. that's why the Jews of his day rejected the Lord Jesus just as you today, because the deliverance was spiritual.. as the Jews then believed that the Lord Jesus would ride in on a white horse and wipe out the Romans. that would have been physical deliverance.

Run, 101G is totally surprise you didn't know, nor understand this. my God this is basic bible study.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

GINOLJC, to all
you still don't understand .... do you? the salvation that the Lord Jesus gave us was a deliverance from Sin. not from any oppressor. that's why the Jews of his day rejected the Lord Jesus just as you today, because the deliverance was spiritual.. as the Jews then believed that the Lord Jesus would ride in on a white horse and wipe out the Romans. that would have been physical deliverance.

Run, 101G is totally surprise you didn't know, nor understand this. my God this is basic bible study.

101G.

Some of that I don't disagree with, but it is a different topic than the Hebrews 5:7 topic that I asked you about. Actually, the reason I am still going on and on about this is because Jesus has a savior.

Jesus never sinned, but nevertheless death still took him. So tell me, how is it possible that only those who sin die and yet Jesus died? It's becasue non-person things like death can, too, sin. Just as the Bible says, the last enemy to be destroyed is death. Even "death and hell" get cast into the lake of fire for their sin of taking Jesus. This was actually a loophole that God exploited. Death and hell must be found to be sinners or else eternal life could not be possible if death and hell were eternal concepts. This also debunks the idea of eternal life in hell, which is a different topic, but I wanted to mention it because I am sure you will disagree with me.

So back to Hebrews 5:7. God didn't save Jesus from a physical death on a cross, but rather God resurrected the soul of Jesus from the grave according to Acts 2:26 and Psalm 16:10. Jesus has a physical and spiritual savior named God the Father.

 

[dwight92070]

I've never read the NWT.

In any case, back to the OP. I see no one has been able to prove Jesus resurrected himself from the dead yet.

I want to hear from every Trinitarian on this forum. Please show us one verse where anyone said Jesus resurrected himself after he died. Please and thank you!

So you don't believe Jesus saying that He would raise Himself from the dead - before He died? That's not the sign of a Christian - not believing what Jesus said.

 

[dwight92070]

Runningman said: It must sting to not have anything that says Jesus resurrected himself after he died.

No, what really stings is that you don't believe Jesus, when He said He would raise Himself up from the dead. That's the difference between us. I believe every word that Jesus said. You don't.

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up .... But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:19-22

What other words of Jesus do you refuse to believe?

 

[101G]

Some of that I don't disagree with, but it is a different topic than the Hebrews 5:7 topic that I asked you about. Actually, the reason I am still going on and on about this is because Jesus has a savior.

101G will try once again to get you to UNDERSTANDING. LISTEN CLLOSLEY, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."

now Run do God have a saviour? no, God is the Saviour, .... Listen carefully, Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

who is wisdom .... that is God? answer, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." ......... THE "ONLY" .... "WISE" GOD. Bingo.

now, KNOWING THAT, your Hebrews 5:7, first do Jesus have a "GOD"? Hebrews 1:9 "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." do you see it? if not.....

Hebrews 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, (if you didn't see it, do you see it NOW?) when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

remember, God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a..... and what did Hebrews 5:7a say? "Who in the days of his flesh". NOW 101G IS GOING TO ASK YOU A REDUNDANT QUESTION, BUT IT SHOULD HELP YOU. "What are the days that are not his flesh?".... thank you. how many times and "WAYS" one must answer the same question?

101G.

 

[101G]

To all,
who may not understand the Godhead. ...... "Diversified Oneness". simply meaning that God is the "EQUAL SHARE" of .... HIMSELF

to understand this "EQUAL SHARE" of .... ONESELF, just start at Genesis 1:1 and understand the terms,
A. Beginning,
B. the term "GOD" and what is it's [plural of H433].... combine these two words definition.... and one will KNOW God's Plurality as the H259 ECHAD of God, or "of" himself.

and when one Master that, then one can understand the titles Father, Son and Holy Spirit, was well as LORD, and Lord, as well as First and Last.... beginning, and End.... ect. ....

but start at the beginning, and one will end correctly. Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." the complete understanding of the Godhead lay within this verse.

101G.

 

[Runningman]

So you don't believe Jesus saying that He would raise Himself from the dead - before He died? That's not the sign of a Christian - not believing what Jesus said.

I believe that was a prophecy because that's the way Jesus described it and the way John described it.

Jona's prophecy of the resurrection of Jesus:

Matthew 12
39Jesus replied, “A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

John referring to the resurrection in the passive voice, as something Jesus passively received, not something Jesus actively did:

John 2
22After He was raised from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this. Then they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken.

 

[Runningman]

Runningman said: It must sting to not have anything that says Jesus resurrected himself after he died.

No, what really stings is that you don't believe Jesus, when He said He would raise Himself up from the dead. That's the difference between us. I believe every word that Jesus said. You don't.

"Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up .... But He was speaking of the temple of His body." John 2:19-22

What other words of Jesus do you refuse to believe?

Jesus didn't raisef himself from the dead accoding to anyone in the Bible. The Bible descrbes God resurrected a dead man and that is what the apostles went around the Roman empire telling everyone. Read the OP again, you can't refute it.

 

[Runningman]

101G will try once again to get you to UNDERSTANDING. LISTEN CLLOSLEY, Titus 2:10 "Not purloining, but shewing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things."

now Run do God have a saviour? no, God is the Saviour, .... Listen carefully, Jude 1:25 "To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen."

who is wisdom .... that is God? answer, 1 Corinthians 1:24 "But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God." ......... THE "ONLY" .... "WISE" GOD. Bingo.

now, KNOWING THAT, your Hebrews 5:7, first do Jesus have a "GOD"? Hebrews 1:9 "Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." do you see it? if not.....

Hebrews 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, (if you didn't see it, do you see it NOW?) when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;"

remember, God is a Spirit, per John 4:24a..... and what did Hebrews 5:7a say? "Who in the days of his flesh". NOW 101G IS GOING TO ASK YOU A REDUNDANT QUESTION, BUT IT SHOULD HELP YOU. "What are the days that are not his flesh?".... thank you. how many times and "WAYS" one must answer the same question?

101G.

Yes, while Jesus was still alive he was begging and praying to the one who could save him from death because that wasn't something he could do himself. Jesus couldn't save himself from death because no man can save themselves from death, either physically, spiritually, or otherwise. Thus, God is Jesus' Savior. Remember, there is not Savior, but God and God doesn't need saving, but Jesus did.

It isn't difficult to understand. Jesus is a man with a savior as Hebrews 5:7 plainly says and it is consistent with the entire Biblical narrative about how Jesus isn't God.