Satan and his Lies

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

The religions of this world blame God's Law that they preach is "Impossible" to obey.

When are you going to stop lying? Never? Listen carefully to me: God's law is spiritual, holy, and good, there's no fault with God's law, the fault is with Adam's children, being born in his likeness, with a sinful nature that considers the word of God pure foolishness, and are at enmity against its commandments that are spiritual, holy and good. Did you get this? If yes, then, stop lying.

Hebrews 8:7​

“For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel (Gentiles) and with the house of Judah: (Jews)”

The fault is with Adam's posterity, being wicked sinners unable to keep its righteous laws, not even for a second in the pure, perfect, manner in which Jesus Christ did in thoughts, words, and deeds from conception until the death of his body.

And now you, according to the course of this world, Blame God for Adam and Eve's sin, because God sent Adam and Eve into a wilderness against the greatest danger that you and Civic preach God ever created,

Stop your lying. I have never blamed God for any man's sin, never. God's ways are equal, just and good, it is us (you and me) whose ways are crooked, perverse and wicked, even on our best days.

Ezekiel 18:25​

“Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal?”

The preaching that God left Eve defenseless, without God, Without any assistance in the garden with the talking snake, is one of the most wicked philosophies and judgment against God I have ever encountered, and according to what is actually written, it is an insidious falsehood which I will demonstrate with the Sword of the Lord.

Stop your lying....God never left Adam or Eve defenseless, he created them very good and provided all they needed to continue in that state, what he did not do was to SECURED them in that state...a big difference and you know that to be so, yet you keep lying. Under the New Covenant God secures eternal life for his elect through His Son, Jesus Christ, the Lord. You can take my words and spin them anyway you want to, and you will, yet it is very plain as to what I believe and teach, to any honest person reading thsi thread.

Tell me Red Baker, What more could God have given Eve to overcome this temptation? What other assistance did she need, according to you, to keep herself from sin?

You are the preacher here. You are the one that is preaching to others that God sent Eve into the world "without any assistance".

Nothing, ~all that God did was very good. The sin was Eve's and Adam's. He just did not secured them from falling and neither was He under obligation to do so.

So then tell us, what more did Eve Need besides belief Red. It's called "Faith". Will you blame God for that too, claiming that God withheld "Belief" from her also? As a matter of Fact, that is what you also preach.

God is infinite in knowledge and wisdom ~ what he did was perfect and more than enough. They had no sin nature as we do, all they needed was provide for them to not sin. Yet God did not secured them from not sinning, for if he would had, they would not have sinned, What's so hard about receiving this truth? I know why, it would destroy your whole theology , your golden calf that you adorn and worrship.

What a wicked judgment against Jesus' Father and my Father.

The only wicked doctrine here is your gospel of works seeking to be accpeted by your own filthy rags.

Isaiah 64:6​

“But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.”

 

[FreeInChrist]

@Studyman

When are you going to stop lying? Never? Listen carefully to me: God's law is spiritual, holy, and good, there's no fault with God's law, the fault is with Adam's children, being born in his likeness, with a sinful nature that considers the word of God pure foolishness, and are at enmity against its commandments that are spiritual, holy and good. Did you get this? If yes, then, stop lying.

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AND, the fault is also with those of free will, that you disbelieve in, for there are those who will always considers the word of God pure foolishness,

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman

Actually. my rellgion is much different from the world's, and yours. Yours's is more from the Sadducees of Jesus' day, who rejected spirits/Satan as separate entity from the human heart/mind of man, even though man in his fall and depravity have taken on the image of Satan, who is the father of all who serve sin.

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc. I have just come to know that the spirit that caused Lucifer to, of his own free will, transgress God's commandment, is the same spirit that caused Adam and Eve, of their own free will, to transgress God's commandment. And it's the same spirit that causes you and I to, of our own free will, transgress God's Commandments.

I also believe in the Words of the Jesus "of the bible" who teaches that men are defiled from evil thoughts, sinful thoughts from within, not from without, as you and this world's religions promote.

It's not a sin to have an evil thought. It's a temptation. Sin occurs when you are drawn away by the evil thought. Paul called it, "The Simplicity of Christ".

You blame God for your sin because you "choose to believe", of your own free will, that God created you with a "sin nature". Filling you "spiritual ignorance, darkness, and a nature of enmity against God.

Just as you preach falsely that God sent Eve defenseless, "with no assistance at all from God", into a world with, what you also preach is the most deceitful, and desperately wicked of all of God's creation, without even warning her about it.

This is an evil and wicked judgment against God, founded on "spiritual ignorance, darkness, and a nature of enmity against God, and you make this judgment from the dictates of your own heart, of your own free will, on this forum all the time.

I too, could be drawn away by this evil thought. And I have the Free will ability, given to me from my Creator, the God and Father of the Lord's Christ, to choose to adopt your words over Gods. And this ability to do so is not Evil, it is good and given to me from God.

I also have been given by the Same God, the free will ability to reject your words, and choose instead to place my belief and trust in the Word of God. This also is good and given me from my Father.

What you refuse to accept, that I hope others will consider, is that the "choice" God gives me, "Death or Life", is not Evil. And the Ability HE gives me to choose one or the other, is NOT Evil.

Evil occurs when I choose, of my own free will, to be drawn away from God by the thoughts from within.

This is what happened to Lucifer, Adam and Eve, Cain, Children of Israel etc., and God gave us the stories to teach us.

1 Cor. 10: 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.

11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written "for our admonition", upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

 

[mikesw]

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc. I have just come to know that the spirit that caused Lucifer to, of his own free will, transgress God's commandment, is the same spirit that caused Adam and Eve, of their own free will, to transgress God's commandment. And it's the same spirit that causes you and I to, of our own free will, transgress God's Commandments.

There is no "Lucifer" in scripture. That only is a Latin word that was transliterated from the Vulgate translation. Does this mean you do not believe there exists one who is named Satan? Sorry if I have gotten confused and maybe missed something. It seemed to take a bunch of posts for you to say some entity exists after avoiding saying Satan exists. I just think that the existence of Satan, as one named in scripture, has more relevance and reality than something of a Latin word used to describe the great fall of the king of Babylon.

 

[FreeInChrist]

There is no "Lucifer" in scripture. That only is a Latin word that was transliterated from the Vulgate translation. Does this mean you do not believe there exists one who is named Satan? Sorry if I have gotten confused and maybe missed something. I just think that the existence of Satan, as one named in scripture, has more relevance and reality than something of a Latin word used to describe the great fall of the king of Babylon.

mikesw,

You have got to stop doing this. You made my heart beat faster then the lead car in a Nascar race. So exuberant was I to think Jimmy had made another error translating this name.

Isaiah 14:12 KJ and NKJ

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

New King James Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

But alas! He did not as we can see from a Septuagint Translation

Brenton Septuagint Translation
How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

And from the interlinear.

lā·’ā·reṣ, niḡ·da‘·tā šā·ḥar; ben- hê·lêl miš·šā·ma·yim

,to the ground [How] you are cut down ! of the morning son , Lucifer, from heaven


nā·p̄al·tā ’êḵ gō·w·yim. ‘al- ḥō·w·lêš

you are fallen How ! the nations on You who weakened

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance lucifer From hê-lêl-Strong's 1666 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer.

 

[mikesw]

mikesw,

You have got to stop doing this. You made my heart beat faster then the lead car in a Nascar race. So exuberant was I to think Jimmy had made another error translating this name.

Isaiah 14:12 KJ and NKJ

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

New King James Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

But alas! He did not as we can see from a Septuagint Translation

Brenton Septuagint Translation
How has Lucifer, that rose in the morning, fallen from heaven! He that sent orders to all the nations is crushed to the earth.

And from the interlinear.

lā·’ā·reṣ, niḡ·da‘·tā šā·ḥar; ben- hê·lêl miš·šā·ma·yim

,to the ground [How] you are cut down ! of the morning son , Lucifer, from heaven


nā·p̄al·tā ’êḵ gō·w·yim. ‘al- ḥō·w·lêš

you are fallen How ! the nations on You who weakened

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance lucifer From hê-lêl-Strong's 1666 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star -- lucifer.

I should have said there is no "lucifer" in the Greek or Hebrew text. Like I mentioned, this is a transliteration of a Latin word and thus is not a name. It does not matter how many translations do the same error, this remains an errant trend-- no significance to the actual text. It is one of the lies of Satan to claim any of Isaiah 14 as somehow Satan having this glory.

Someone would have to explain how a Latin word became the name of someone. What principle of translation and exegesis allows this to happen?

 

[FreeInChrist]

I should have said there is no "lucifer" in the Greek or Hebrew text. Like I mentioned, this is a transliteration of a Latin word and thus is not a name. It does not matter how many translations do the same error, this remains an errant trend-- no significance to the actual text. It is one of the lies of Satan to claim any of Isaiah 14 as somehow Satan having this glory.

Someone would have to explain how a Latin word became the name of someone. What principle of translation and exegesis allows this to happen?

And the Greek interlinear?

If there is no Lucifer... how has that name come down through the ages so prolifically even to the calling of someone a Luciferian?

And Since he was the Morning Star so was Jesus called that. No wonder the Mormons call them brothers.

Never mind... that is off topic...

My error

 

[mikesw]

And the Greek interlinear?

If there is no Lucifer... how has that name come down through the ages so prolifically even to the calling of someone a Luciferian?

And Since he was the Morning Star so was Jesus called that. No wonder the Mormons call them brothers.

Never mind... that is off topic...

My error

That idea of someone being called a Luciferian comes from one of Satan's lies -- namely that of claiming to be the one expressed in Isaiah 14 instead of the king of Babylon being described. Basically the image provided in Isaiah 14 is Nebuchadnezzar (as he would be named) was exalting himself as if he were a cherubim in God's presence. Satan then uses this image as a claim for himself and uses the Latin word "lucifer." Those who are luciferians then view this passage as biblical basis. They are deceived by thinking that "lucifer" is an actual name. (Despite lacking Biblical basis, this has become a nickname for Satan.) It is basically Satan appropriating this text of himself -- of claiming qualities he never had.

 

[FreeInChrist]

That idea of someone being called a Luciferian comes from one of Satan's lies -- namely that of claiming to be the one expressed in Isaiah 14 instead of the king of Babylon being described. Basically the image provided in Isaiah 14 is Nebuchadnezzar (as he would be named) was exalting himself as if he were a cherubim in God's presence. Satan then uses this image as a claim for himself and uses the Latin word "lucifer." Those who are luciferians then view this passage as biblical basis. They are deceived by thinking that "lucifer" is an actual name. (Despite lacking Biblical basis, this has become a nickname for Satan.) It is basically Satan appropriating this text of himself -- of claiming qualities he never had.

Good.

Then I will assume this is another fauxpas that King James permitted in His commissioned translation.

Another strike against......

 

[Studyman]

There is no "Lucifer" in scripture. That only is a Latin word that was transliterated from the Vulgate translation. Does this mean you do not believe there exists one who is named Satan? Sorry if I have gotten confused and maybe missed something. It seemed to take a bunch of posts for you to say some entity exists after avoiding saying Satan exists. I just think that the existence of Satan, as one named in scripture, has more relevance and reality than something of a Latin word used to describe the great fall of the king of Babylon.

In my understanding, "Lucifer, the talking snake, the Dragon that fell from the sky, the devil, satan, the prince of Tyrus, the prince of this world, are all the same.

They represent a creature that was created perfect, with the free will ability to obey God, or disobey God. It is written this entity chose of his own free will to disobey. My question was, you guys blame satan, a fallen angel for Adam's sin because Adam was created perfect, therefore, the evil he adopted must have come from without, from satan.

My question then is, given satan was in the kingdom of God, with God and a bunch of righteous angels, a kingdom where Evil Never existed, according to the "many" promoters of this world's religions. So then, where did satan's evil come from? Who was his "Adversary"? Who was sneaking about in God's Kingdom seeking whom he may devour, that beguiled satan?

But so far, all I get is men, who profess to know God, trying to justify their own religion, their own free will choices.

Just like Eve did by blaming the taking snake, just like Adam for blaming the woman God gave him. Just like red for blaming God that created him with a sin nature, and "Totally deprived".

That is really fascinating. And I think FreeinChrist may be seeing the same thing.

Should I not learn from these things, not to lust after the things they lusted for?

 

[civic]

In my understanding, "Lucifer, the talking snake, the Dragon that fell from the sky, the devil, satan, the prince of Tyrus, the prince of this world, are all the same.

They represent a creature that was created perfect, with the free will ability to obey God, or disobey God. It is written this entity chose of his own free will to disobey. My question was, you guys blame satan, a fallen angel for Adam's sin because Adam was created perfect, therefore, the evil he adopted must have come from without, from satan.

My question then is, given satan was in the kingdom of God, with God and a bunch of righteous angels, a kingdom where Evil Never existed, according to the "many" promoters of this world's religions. So then, where did satan's evil come from? Who was his "Adversary"? Who was sneaking about in God's Kingdom seeking whom he may devour, that beguiled satan?

But so far, all I get is men, who profess to know God, trying to justify their own religion, their own free will choices.

Just like Eve did by blaming the taking snake, just like Adam for blaming the woman God gave him. Just like red for blaming God that created him with a sin nature, and "Totally deprived".

That is really fascinating. And I think FreeinChrist may be seeing the same thing.

Should I not learn from these things, not to lust after the things they lusted for?

I’m not aware of anyone blaming Satan for Adams sin it was of his own volition just like when we sin. But that doesn’t mean satan does not temp us or that his goal is not to steal, kill and destroy and that he goes around like a predator , a roaring lion as described in the NT. There are satanic spiritual forces at work in this world. But greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. We can overcome because Christ has overcome the enemy. Spiritual warfare is a reality hence believers need to put on daily the full armor of God to stand against his schemes.

We don’t believe in Flip Wilson theology - the devil made me do it.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Studyman]

I’m not aware of anyone blaming Satan for Adams sin it was of his own volition just like when we sin. But that doesn’t mean satan does not temp us or that his goal is to steal, kill and destroy and that he goes around like a predator , a roaring lion as described in the NT. There are satanic spiritual forces at work in this world. But greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world. We can overcome because Christ has overcome the enemy. Spiritual warfare is a reality hence believers need to put on daily the full armor of God to stand against his schemes.

We don’t believe in Flip Wilson theology - the devil made me do it.

hope this helps !!!

So how is a person supposed to know which voice/thought/entity is tempting him? You say men sin of their own "volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will). And men also sin when they are tempted by a talking snake whose goal is to steal and kill, (I think you forgot Jesus' own words about the "Lying") or in Eve's case, to eat what God told her not to eat.

Explain the difference between rejecting God's Law because of your own volition (the faculty or power of using one's will), or rejecting God's Law because of the Goal of a talking snake, or a fallen angel, or a dragon who fell out of the ski?

How is it not by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of his own flesh, and not also by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of a talking snake?

 

[FreeInChrist]

So how is a person supposed to know which voice/thought/entity is tempting him? You say men sin of their own "volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will). And men also sin when they are tempted by a talking snake whose goal is to steal and kill, (I think you forgot Jesus' own words about the "Lying") or in Eve's case, to eat what God told her not to eat.

Explain the difference between rejecting God's Law because of your own volition (the faculty or power of using one's will), or rejecting God's Law because of the Goal of a talking snake, or a fallen angel, or a dragon who fell out of the ski?

How is it not by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of his own flesh, and not also by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of a talking snake?

@civic will answer you but @Studyman , I sense you have a real problem with that snake and how it enticed Eve.

But certainly you know what is right and what is wrong and what would be acceptable behavior to our heavenly father.

You have read certainly that the things of God that he hates and if we do them, we are not going to be offered an easy road
anywhere. And our last trip may well be where we do not want to go.

Satan , when he was called the bright and morning star before earning the wrath of God made certain that he was going to destroy as many lives here as he could. The why is simple. Because he would not want any of God's creation to advance themsselves into an eternal bliss.

I do not mean work their way, but through their faith, love and repentence (which is sometimes an opngoing endevor) they fair better then say Eve who outright dispobeyed God. Now whether God told Eve herself not to eat the fruit or only Adam allowing the man in the couple to "control" his wife and her doings... we do not know.

If I could pitch a plus for Eve and her disobedience I could see it came down to she had only ever heard Adams voice... likely with all the dos and donts, and perhaps God's voice and to hear yet a third one would she even be suspicious of that one since
both Adam and God had only been friendly voices.... so far. So why would she doubt the snake.

If the snake had taken a bite he may well have said see... "I did not die". And the fruit may have smelled wonderful tempting her tastbuds?

OK... while a fiction this could have been somewhat of what might have happened.....

So @ Studyman.... You ask "So how is a person supposed to know which voice/thought/entity is tempting him?"

I simply say if it is perceived to be wrong, if it is perceived to be a sin. It certainly is not from God.

Do you need a list for both sides? Right and Wrong?

A simple example.

Lets say your daughter came into the room when she was 17 years old and said Mom and Dad, I just want you to know I am gay.

Who do you think is involved here (By the way... that happened in the family) Satan or God when you read in the bible about the abomination God calls it.

What if you go to the bank and cash a check and when you get home you realize they gave you $300.00 too much. Who do you think is telling you not to return it cause it was the tellers mistake?

What if your neighbor has a fender bender and is to fault. Who do you think is telling your neighbor to ask you to lie so they can not face consequences with their own insurance company.

Back to Eve.... and I am just tossing this odd idea into the mix.

What if it was God's intention to allow Eve eat that fruit, then Adam because in his long plan of things and the necessary genealogy leading to Jesus they simply had to get out of that garden paradise, or likely you and I would not be here... so with His foreknowledge knowing what she "the woman" would do..... God let things unfold as they did.

They dud upset God, the punishment was given.... but still always consider that it was God the Father who made them their first clothing of skins. He could have told them to keep using leaves but he didn't

 

[civic]

So how is a person supposed to know which voice/thought/entity is tempting him? You say men sin of their own "volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will). And men also sin when they are tempted by a talking snake whose goal is to steal and kill, (I think you forgot Jesus' own words about the "Lying") or in Eve's case, to eat what God told her not to eat.

Explain the difference between rejecting God's Law because of your own volition (the faculty or power of using one's will), or rejecting God's Law because of the Goal of a talking snake, or a fallen angel, or a dragon who fell out of the ski?

How is it not by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of his own flesh, and not also by a man's "own volition" (the faculty or power of using one's will), that he is drawn away by the lusts (goals) of a talking snake?

Since the devil does not talk directly/audible voice to me like he did with eve and Jesus, he uses other means to temp. Job had no idea it was satan doing all those things to him, he thought it was God all along.

So I don't have to know and not required to know if and when satan is tempting me. My job is to stay faithful to Christ in the midst of being tempted regardless if its my own flesh/lust or the devil.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Scott]

When Satan wants to gain influence in our lives, he does it through our minds. One way he influences our thoughts is through the corrupt desires we inherited from Adam and Eve. But Satan understands that he cannot rely on our sin nature alone to influence our lives. So, second, Satan influences us through other mediums. Genesis 3 is a great illustration of that. Before Adam and Eve fell into sin, Eve did not have a sin nature. If Satan could not rely on her corrupt desires, how was he going to influence her life? He used a neutral creation, the serpent, to communicate to Eve. Through the serpent, Satan asked her, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden?’” (v. 1). Today he might use the alluring talking box that is at the center of every family’s home. Am I saying television is evil? No, not at all. Television is a neutral medium, but Satan can use it to voice his enticements to us–just like he can use internet sites, books, and other media to speak his messages to us.

Third, sometimes Satan speaks to us through other people. Last week we looked at Matthew 16:23, when Peter was trying to dissuade Jesus from going to the cross. Jesus said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan!” Why did He say that? He realized that Peter was simply being used by Satan to voice an invitation to disobey to God. It is the same way in your life. Sometimes Satan will use a friend, your mate, or even a pastor to voice his messages of disobedience to you.

Finally, sometimes Satan or his demons speak to us directly, without any intermediary. Have you ever been somewhere, maybe even sitting in church, when out of nowhere a blatantly sinful thought comes into your mind? You think, “Wow! Where did that come from?” Sometimes those thoughts come from our corrupted desires, but many times it is simply Satan or his demons speaking to us. David was a man after God’s own heart and yet he experienced Satan talking to him directly. Look at 1 Chronicles 21:1-3: “Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel. So David said to Joab and to the princes of the people, ‘Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan, and bring me word that I may know their number.’ Joab said, ‘May the Lord add to His people a hundred times as many as they are! But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? Why does my lord seek this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt to Israel?’” Let me explain what was going on here. God had told David, “If you count your troops it means you are depending upon your troops rather than My power to protect you.” But David decided to disobey God and count his troops anyway. What would cause David to do such a foolish thing? Verse 1 tells us it was Satan who moved in David’s heart to commit that sin. Sometimes Satan himself can be the one who is speaking to us.

from “Winning The Mind Games” by Dr. Robert Jeffress

 

[FreeInChrist]

When Satan wants to gain influence in our lives, he does it through our minds. One way he influences our thoughts is through the corrupt desires we inherited from Adam and Eve. But Satan understands that he cannot rely on our sin nature alone to influence our lives. So, second, Satan influences us through other mediums. Genesis 3 is a great illustration of that. Before Adam and Eve fell into sin, Eve did not have a sin nature. If Satan could not rely on her corrupt desires, how was he going to influence her life? He used a neutral creation, the serpent, to communicate to Eve. Through the serpent, Satan asked her, “Indeed, has God said, ‘You shall not eat from any tree of the garden?’” (v. 1). Today he might use the alluring talking box that is at the center of every family’s home. Am I saying television is evil? No, not at all. Television is a neutral medium, but Satan can use it to voice his enticements to us–just like he can use internet sites, books, and other media to speak his messages to us.

Third, sometimes Satan speaks to us through other people. Last week we looked at Matthew 16:23, when Peter was trying to dissuade Jesus from going to the cross. Jesus said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan!” Why did He say that? He realized that Peter was simply being used by Satan to voice an invitation to disobey to God. It is the same way in your life. Sometimes Satan will use a friend, your mate, or even a pastor to voice his messages of disobedience to you.

Finally, sometimes Satan or his demons speak to us directly, without any intermediary. Have you ever been somewhere, maybe even sitting in church, when out of nowhere a blatantly sinful thought comes into your mind? You think, “Wow! Where did that come from?” Sometimes those thoughts come from our corrupted desires, but many times it is simply Satan or his demons speaking to us. David was a man after God’s own heart and yet he experienced Satan talking to him directly. Look at 1 Chronicles 21:1-3: “Then Satan stood up against Israel and moved David to number Israel. So David said to Joab and to the princes of the people, ‘Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan, and bring me word that I may know their number.’ Joab said, ‘May the Lord add to His people a hundred times as many as they are! But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? Why does my lord seek this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt to Israel?’” Let me explain what was going on here. God had told David, “If you count your troops it means you are depending upon your troops rather than My power to protect you.” But David decided to disobey God and count his troops anyway. What would cause David to do such a foolish thing? Verse 1 tells us it was Satan who moved in David’s heart to commit that sin. Sometimes Satan himself can be the one who is speaking to us.

from “Winning The Mind Games” by Dr. Robert Jeffress

Excellent.

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc.

Do you believe that is the name of a fallen angel, named Satan, the old serpent? In other words, was he created as a spirit by God as a separate entity from man? A spirit that opposes God, his people, and truth, and has his own children, a generation of serpents? Do you believe that the devil, tempted Christ, a separate and a real person/spirit? Prove what you are saying, where you said:

I believe in Angels and Lucifer etc.

Do you believe there are good, elect angles such as Michael, and Gabriel? Who are Michael and the devil in Jude 1:9? I do not beleive you truly mean what you are saying but are using words to make folks believe you do.

I also believe in the Words of the Jesus "of the bible" who teaches that men are defiled from evil thoughts, sinful thoughts from within, not from without, as you and this world's religions promote.

I believe in both, just as the word of God teaches. I have provided you with many scriptures already, a waste of time to continue to do so.

You blame God for your sin because you "choose to believe", of your own free will, that God created you with a "sin nature".

You are not being truthful as usual.

God has never tempted any man to sin, man's sin's are his own doing, period. Is this clear to you? Probably not to make you stop lying. Satan hinders, devours, and destroys, etc., man who willing sins.

God created our first parents with NO sin nature, all that God created was VERY GOOD. according to the scriptures. But, this does not negate the truth that Adam's posterity does not inherit his sinful nature, for all do. Blame Adam and Eve where the blame is put by God, and the devil for using the serpent to deceive Eve through his subtilty.

Enough said to you ~ you sound like a broken record, and have since I first read some of your post back a few years ago on Mountain Retreat and them Grace centered. This forum is a little more gracious in putting up with you than they were, which is a good thing, it at least gives others knowledge of what is truly being taught in Mystery Babylon of the religious sector part of it.