Satan and his Lies

[Studyman]

@Studyman

I have indeed, too bad you mocked this truth, and have never live only by Christ and his gospel, or, you would not be mocking it, as you are doing.

John 6:54-58​

“Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him. As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.”

I believe the Jesus "of the Bible's" reference to drinking His Blood and eating His Flesh is symbolic of something men must do to inherit life. Just as the Christ's' reference to the talking snake in the garden is symbolic of living by "any" other voice but God's.

You are free to believe that you found the literal flesh of Jesus, and as you said, "Indeed" have eaten it. Just as you are free to believe Eve was defiled by a talking snake from without, that God didn't warn her about. Just as you are free to believe that Christ was concerned with the literal corners of a man's beard, when HE commanded men not to mar it.

I have come to understand that many of these examples written for our admonition, are symbolic. And written so that I, of my own free will, "should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted". And I am to seek their meaning. Not by adopting the religious opinions of all the "other voices" in the world God placed me in, that you represent, but as the Jesus of the Bible teaches, by "Every Word of God".

I am sure the Sadducees mock Jesus and his apostles as they cast our devils, with the same words, as you are doing. I personally I have never cast out devils, but have heard testimonies of others that have had them cast out, and heard them talking as they were being cast out.

Do you reject this as being true? Do not say no, and then say nothing of these scriptures. How could you even be so bold as to say this is speaking of the evil deeds in this child mind being a unclean spirit that labor to destroy the child.

I have seen this many times. A child with no boundaries, not taught in the way that he should go. Not taught that he must control his own flesh, and obey those who God placed over them. Not given God's Laws HE created for their own good, so that they don't destroy themselves. I've seen them throw themselves on the floor in a supermarket, kicking and screaming, yelling as loud as they possibly can at their mother, fighting and completely out of control. With no regard to anyone. I've seen kids steal from widows, vandalize stores, bully others less fortunate, even handicapped children, and lie through their teeth to save their own face. Do these kids know better, but choose to do these things anyway? The story about the "possessed" child doesn't detail that.

The Spirit of Christ inspired it to be written, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it".

I believe this story is symbolic of the truth that even the most wild and lawless person, if they are learned by the Jesus "of the Bible", can be humbled, corrected and placed on the journey to salvation.

I don't believe Calvinists who imply to the world that Christ created children with a "sin nature", "totally Depraved" from birth, then places demons in their mind, but only saves a select few whose names are drawn in some Holy Lottery.

There is a reason for this story in Scriptures, it isn't to promote this world's religious philosophy that God creates humans with a "sin nature", then punishes them according to their deeds. No Red, according to the actual scriptures, Since Adam, men are to labor to keep the barriers and limitations HE gave them, to keep them from being drawn away of their own wants, lusts and desires. When they don't, there is misery, destruction, wickedness and death.

Paul called it, "The simplicity of Christ". It is the Labor of true believers since at least Abel.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Adam and Eve are examples written for our admonition of humans who refused, of their own free will, to "Choose" to engage in this Labor. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Jesus is an example of someone who engaged in this labor from His Youth.

Whether the other voices in the world God placed Eve and me in, is a talking snake, a fallen angel, an little red devil with horns and an arrowhead tail, a dragon that falls out of the sky, they all represent the adversary, the Lusts and desires that "EVERY Free Will being has" and MUST resist. God gave Eve the sword, the tools, the armor to protect herself from any adversary, whether it was a devil or the lusts of her own flesh, it is the same. The Barrier God gave her, had she believed in Him, would have saved her from falling. To deny or ignore these undeniable Biblical Truths, is a free will choice that comes from within the heart of man, not from without.

Even as God, whose image we are created after, who can do as HE pleases, who has complete FREE WILL and the Power to "CHOOSE" what ever HE wants, places on Himself, barriers and limitations. He chooses to be a JUST God, no one makes HIM do this, HE chooses it. He "chooses" to be a Merciful God, no one makes Him be this way. HE chooses to care for beings HE creates and has Compassion for them. No one makes Him do these things.

No one, no voice from without Eves own mind, made Eve Choose to disobey God, it was her own Flesh. Her own free will.

God blamed "HER" for "HER" own deeds. God blamed Adam, for his own deeds. And to the Flesh, talking snake, fallen angel, dragon that fell from the sky or whatever this other voice was, who despised Him, He put enmity between it and God's true Church forever.

Rom. 8: 7 Because the "carnal mind" is enmity against God: for it (Carnal Flesh) is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Eve chose, not to walk in the Spirit, even though she knew how, but she chose to walk in the flesh. It's right there in your own Bible, just as it was right there in front of Paul when he was holding the coats of men as they stoned an innocent man to death, "In God's Name".

The implication of your religion is that it was the talking serpent God created and placed in the garden, that caused Eve to fall. As you said, a danger "From without".

The Bible teaches it was her own free will choice to reject God's Laws, that HE created to protect her, that caused her to fall.

I know I'm in the minority here in this understanding, But even this, was common for believers of God throughout history.

 

[Red Baker]

Romans 8:2
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."

"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus"...........

What is a law? It is a rule, command, order of things, or influence imposed by an authority. This is the rule that each child of God has eternal life and Spirit power to live righteously. The purpose of the verse is to explain how there is no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus. The regenerate are quickened by the Spirit of life to no longer be dead in sin (Ephesians 2:1-3 ) by his mighty power alone!

Ephesians 1:19​

“And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power"

The same mighty power that raised Christ from the dead.

Ephesians 1:20​

“Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,”

So, if you ( @Studyman ) teach that man by his own free will can believe, repent and do spiritual acts apart from first being raised form the dead, then you do not have the same gospel that Paul preached, not even close.

There are two aspects to the law of the Spirit of life: eternal life freely given in Christ Jesus and Spirit-provided power to live righteously, for the context contains both – both are in 8:1, salvation in 8:3-4, and the Spirit's power to live righteously and godly in this present world. in 8:5-14.

One cannot have one without the other ~ if saved by Jesus Christ, you have the Spirit. You cannot have one without the other ~ if you have the Spirit, you were saved by Jesus. Every forgiven and regenerated child of God has the Spirit for living a sanctified life. There is power in a child of God – spiritual power by the Spirit of God to live for Christ.

"hath made me free from the law of sin and death."~The Spirit of God, who imparts LIFE to God's elect, has according to the purposes of God cause us to be FREE from the power of indwelling sin....through Jesus Christ acting as the surety of God's elect.

Romans 7:23
"But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

When we would do good, even in our most holy moments, sin is present with us, and we see it working. Yet, the Spirit of life has delivered us from its condemnation according to the mercy of God toward by the new birth apart form our works, solely by grace alone, for Christ's sake, not one thing that we have done to move the Spirit to quicken us to life in Jesus Christ. Who has made believers free? The Spirit of life in Christ Jesus. Not by any works of righteousness which we have done, but only by the mercy of God toward us.

Romans 8:3​

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

Later....

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

believe the Jesus "of the Bible's" reference to drinking His Blood and eating His Flesh is symbolic of something men must do to inherit life. Just as the Christ's' reference to the talking snake in the garden is symbolic of living by "any" other voice but God's.

You are free to believe that you found the literal flesh of Jesus, and as you said, "Indeed" have eaten it. Just as you are free to believe Eve was defiled by a talking snake from without, that God didn't warn her about. Just as you are free to believe that Christ was concerned with the literal corners of a man's beard, when HE commanded men not to mar it.

I did say:

I have indeed, too bad you mocked this truth, and have never "live" only by Christ and his gospel, or, you would not be mocking it, as you are doing.

Of course we do not literally do this.

 

[Studyman]

@Studyman
Here is a question I asked you, and here's your answer:

It is almost impossible to get biblical answers from you since you have created your own doctrines. "How can a man who doesn't believe God, "be born of God?"

Your question was retarded Calvinist foolishness. "Do you believe you have the power "to believe obey God" without being "first" born of God?

I gave the only possible answer. "How can a man "who doesn't believe God", "be born of God?"

Rom. 10: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then "shall they call on him" in whom they have not believed? and "how shall they "believe in him"" "of whom they have not heard"? and "how shall they hear" without a preacher?

So the answer to your foolish and retarded question, comes from Paul "How can a man "who doesn't believe God", "be born of God?"

This is more Calvinist Foolishness, that God creates everyone wicked, "Totally Depraved" and only saves those whose name HE draws from some invisible Holly Lottery that took place before the world began.

It's fascinating really, how only Calvinists names were drawn.

 

[civic]

I believe the Jesus "of the Bible's" reference to drinking His Blood and eating His Flesh is symbolic of something men must do to inherit life. Just as the Christ's' reference to the talking snake in the garden is symbolic of living by "any" other voice but God's.

You are free to believe that you found the literal flesh of Jesus, and as you said, "Indeed" have eaten it. Just as you are free to believe Eve was defiled by a talking snake from without, that God didn't warn her about. Just as you are free to believe that Christ was concerned with the literal corners of a man's beard, when HE commanded men not to mar it.

I have come to understand that many of these examples written for our admonition, are symbolic. And written so that I, of my own free will, "should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted". And I am to seek their meaning. Not by adopting the religious opinions of all the "other voices" in the world God placed me in, that you represent, but as the Jesus of the Bible teaches, by "Every Word of God".



I have seen this many times. A child with no boundaries, not taught in the way that he should go. Not taught that he must control his own flesh, and obey those who God placed over them. Not given God's Laws HE created for their own good, so that they don't destroy themselves. I've seen them throw themselves on the floor in a supermarket, kicking and screaming, yelling as loud as they possibly can at their mother, fighting and completely out of control. With no regard to anyone. I've seen kids steal from widows, vandalize stores, bully others less fortunate, even handicapped children, and lie through their teeth to save their own face. Do these kids know better, but choose to do these things anyway? The story about the "possessed" child doesn't detail that.

The Spirit of Christ inspired it to be written, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it".

I believe this story is symbolic of the truth that even the most wild and lawless person, if they are learned by the Jesus "of the Bible", can be humbled, corrected and placed on the journey to salvation.

I don't believe Calvinists who imply to the world that Christ created children with a "sin nature", "totally Depraved" from birth, then places demons in their mind, but only saves a select few whose names are drawn in some Holy Lottery.

There is a reason for this story in Scriptures, it isn't to promote this world's religious philosophy that God creates humans with a "sin nature", then punishes them according to their deeds. No Red, according to the actual scriptures, Since Adam, men are to labor to keep the barriers and limitations HE gave them, to keep them from being drawn away of their own wants, lusts and desires. When they don't, there is misery, destruction, wickedness and death.

Paul called it, "The simplicity of Christ". It is the Labor of true believers since at least Abel.

2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him.

Adam and Eve are examples written for our admonition of humans who refused, of their own free will, to "Choose" to engage in this Labor. "For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad."

Jesus is an example of someone who engaged in this labor from His Youth.

Whether the other voices in the world God placed Eve and me in, is a talking snake, a fallen angel, an little red devil with horns and an arrowhead tail, a dragon that falls out of the sky, they all represent the adversary, the Lusts and desires that "EVERY Free Will being has" and MUST resist. God gave Eve the sword, the tools, the armor to protect herself from any adversary, whether it was a devil or the lusts of her own flesh, it is the same. The Barrier God gave her, had she believed in Him, would have saved her from falling. To deny or ignore these undeniable Biblical Truths, is a free will choice that comes from within the heart of man, not from without.

Even as God, whose image we are created after, who can do as HE pleases, who has complete FREE WILL and the Power to "CHOOSE" what ever HE wants, places on Himself, barriers and limitations. He chooses to be a JUST God, no one makes HIM do this, HE chooses it. He "chooses" to be a Merciful God, no one makes Him be this way. HE chooses to care for beings HE creates and has Compassion for them. No one makes Him do these things.

No one, no voice from without Eves own mind, made Eve Choose to disobey God, it was her own Flesh. Her own free will.

God blamed "HER" for "HER" own deeds. God blamed Adam, for his own deeds. And to the Flesh, talking snake, fallen angel, dragon that fell from the sky or whatever this other voice was, who despised Him, He put enmity between it and God's true Church forever.

Rom. 8: 7 Because the "carnal mind" is enmity against God: for it (Carnal Flesh) is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Eve chose, not to walk in the Spirit, even though she knew how, but she chose to walk in the flesh. It's right there in your own Bible, just as it was right there in front of Paul when he was holding the coats of men as they stoned an innocent man to death, "In God's Name".

The implication of your religion is that it was the talking serpent God created and placed in the garden, that caused Eve to fall. As you said, a danger "From without".

The Bible teaches it was her own free will choice to reject God's Laws, that HE created to protect her, that caused her to fall.

I know I'm in the minority here in this understanding, But even this, was common for believers of God throughout history.

so in your manology since it has nothing to do with biblical theology the devil ans demons are nothing but the flesh and imaginary. YIKES

this is just another way of many in which you deny the real Jesus and have replaced Him with an imaginary jesus who is nothing but an idol you have created in your own mind.

 

[civic]

Your question was retarded Calvinist foolishness. "Do you believe you have the power "to believe obey God" without being "first" born of God?

I gave the only possible answer. "How can a man "who doesn't believe God", "be born of God?"

Rom. 10: 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then "shall they call on him" in whom they have not believed? and "how shall they "believe in him"" "of whom they have not heard"? and "how shall they hear" without a preacher?

So the answer to your foolish and retarded question, comes from Paul "How can a man "who doesn't believe God", "be born of God?"

This is more Calvinist Foolishness, that God creates everyone wicked, "Totally Depraved" and only saves those whose name HE draws from some invisible Holly Lottery that took place before the world began.

It's fascinating really, how only Calvinists names were drawn.

you can't possibly be born of God since you deny the very God who gives the new birth.

talk about an oxymoron. you deny the very One who alone is the Only Lord/YHWN a person must call upon to be saved.

talk about foolishness take a look in the mirror and see that humongous LOG as you point out the splinters in others.

 

[Studyman]

you don't believe Paul at all since he taught the following. You make Paul out to be a liar below just you do with Jesus in Matthew 4:1-11.


Ephesians 6:11-13
Put on the full armor of God, so that you can make your stand against the devil’s schemes. / For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this world’s darkness, and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. / Therefore take up the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you will be able to stand your ground, and having done everything, to stand.

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

I believe the Carnal Flesh of man is the adversary here. The "Enmity" between the "seed of the woman" (Church of God/Body of Christ), and seed of the talking snake, (Carnal Flesh, evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies", that come from within the mind of man).

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I believe the "High Places" where these "evil thoughts, hatred, rebellion, disrespect for God, etc.", come from is the mind of man where the Temple of God resides. This is the starting place of the very first sin. "And when the Woman saw that the tree was good for food". But God had already given her HIS Judgment regarding the tree. She had this "Armor", this sword, in fact God gave her everything she needed to battle the "evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies", ALL of which are Spiritual Wickedness that was in Eve's Mind, and according to Paul, are in the Carnal Flesh of every man.

Gal. 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It's a bridge to far for me, to believe the "works of the devil" and the "works of the flesh" are two completely different things. Men who are drawn away by these Lusts in their minds, and enticed to act according to these Lusts, are said to be "Children of Disobedience", "children of the devil", children of Wrath, and children who "Walk in the Flesh".

For me, they are all connected and I don't believe that God's purpose of all this teaching, is for me to ignore the disobedience, rejection, indifference to God's Laws that are within me, as Paul and Jesus Teaches, in favor of being on the lookout for some talking snake from "Without".

And like Eve, God gave me all I need to withstand the temptations on my journey to salvation.

13 Wherefore (Because of this) take unto you the whole armour of God, (Every Word, as Jesus instructs) that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Eve had the armor, but she didn't have the belief, respect, Faith in God. This came from within her heart, by her own free will choice. I won't just reject and ignore all these things just because they don't align with the religious system of this world God placed me in, that you have adopted and are promoting to others.

Even if you call me a liar, or say I make God's Word a lie, or any of the "many" judgments you and other self proclaimed ministers of righteousness constantly place on those who don't "Yield themselves" to your specific religion.

I do believe Paul and Jesus and James. I just don't believe your adopted philosophy.

 

[civic]

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

I believe the Carnal Flesh of man is the adversary here. The "Enmity" between the "seed of the woman" (Church of God/Body of Christ), and seed of the talking snake, (Carnal Flesh, evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies", that come from within the mind of man).

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

I believe the "High Places" where these "evil thoughts, hatred, rebellion, disrespect for God, etc.", come from is the mind of man where the Temple of God resides. This is the starting place of the very first sin. "And when the Woman saw that the tree was good for food". But God had already given her HIS Judgment regarding the tree. She had this "Armor", this sword, in fact God gave her everything she needed to battle the "evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies", ALL of which are Spiritual Wickedness that was in Eve's Mind, and according to Paul, are in the Carnal Flesh of every man.

Gal. 5: 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

It's a bridge to far for me, to believe the "works of the devil" and the "works of the flesh" are two completely different things. Men who are drawn away by these Lusts in their minds, and enticed to act according to these Lusts, are said to be "Children of Disobedience", "children of the devil", children of Wrath, and children who "Walk in the Flesh".

For me, they are all connected and I don't believe that God's purpose of all this teaching, is for me to ignore the disobedience, rejection, indifference to God's Laws that are within me, as Paul and Jesus Teaches, in favor of being on the lookout for some talking snake from "Without".

And like Eve, God gave me all I need to withstand the temptations on my journey to salvation.

13 Wherefore (Because of this) take unto you the whole armour of God, (Every Word, as Jesus instructs) that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;

Eve had the armor, but she didn't have the belief, respect, Faith in God. This came from within her heart, by her own free will choice. I won't just reject and ignore all these things just because they don't align with the religious system of this world God placed me in, that you have adopted and are promoting to others.

Even if you call me a liar, or say I make God's Word a lie, or any of the "many" judgments you and other self proclaimed ministers of righteousness constantly place on those who don't "Yield themselves" to your specific religion.

I do believe Paul and Jesus and James. I just don't believe your adopted philosophy.

no you really don't believe any of them since they all teach the devil is a real and not a parable or the devil means the flesh.

your man made religion is contrary to Gods revelation in His word.

 

[Red Baker]

@Studyman

This is more Calvinist Foolishness, that God creates everyone wicked, "Totally Depraved"

No person, Calvinist, or high Calvinist, believes or teach, that God created man wicked, for they know much better than even suggest such a thing. God created man after His image, in righteousness, true holiness, with knowledge, understanding and wisdom, which is seen in that Adam named ever creature that God had created.

After God created both angels and man, he left them to themselves, to the power of their free will, and we all know the end of that. Under the new covenant of grace, God secures eternal life for his elect by their head, Jesus Christ, they being the members of his elect body.

You need to stop lying about what I believe and at least be truthful, and from there see if you can prove me wrong by the scriptures; so far, you are in a deep hole trying to climb out.

 

[Red Baker]

"And when the Woman saw that the tree was good for food". But God had already given her HIS Judgment regarding the tree. She had this "Armor", this sword, in fact God gave her everything she needed to battle the "evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies", ALL of which are Spiritual Wickedness that was in Eve's Mind, and according to Paul, are in the Carnal Flesh of every man.

Studyman, according to you, God created Adam and Eve with "a mind/heart" that was evil from the start, since you reject that their temptation came from outside of them, so, in your theology, their sin was God's fault by the very fact he created them with this evil wicked mind ~ whom you call the devil/Satan/evil spirits.

 

[Red Baker]

Romans 8:3​

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

“For what the law could not do"~This verse confirms the interpretation that has been given of the preceding, with which it stands connected. It is introduced to explain what is said in the two preceding verses. Both this and the following verse are illustrations of that great truth, that to the believer in Christ there is NOW no condemnation There are here three principal considerations: namely, the misery of our natural condition; the mercy of God in the incarnation of His Son; and the effect of sending Him into the world, which "secured" our redemption. Under these three heads, Paul removes the difficulties that might present themselves from the supposition that, on account of some imperfection in the law, it could not justify. In answer to this, it is here shown that the imperfection is not in the law, but "in us" as we are by nature ~ at enmity against God, his word, his people, etc. The law could justify those who fulfilled it, as it is said, "The man that doeth them shall live in them; " but the corruption of human nature renders this impossible. And as it might be objected that the law, which subjects every transgressor to death, is violated by the freedom from it which we obtain by the death of Jesus Christ, Paul shows that the punishment it demands was inflicted upon Christ. There forth, the first proposition, that there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, is established; and in the following verse it is added, that the law, which we were required to fulfill, has by Jesus Christ been fulfilled for us. In this view, the justice of God, which naturally terrifies man, inspires us with confidence. For if God is just, will He exact double payment and satisfaction? Will He condemn those for whom the Surety has borne the condemnation which was death? No; He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins,’ for "the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

"in that it was weak through the flesh"~ God's law is spiritual, holy and good, but man is wicked by birth and is at enmity against God's law, regardless what he may say otherwise. The law is unable to justify, but powerful to condemn. There has never been a man but Christ Jesus that could and would keep all its precepts. The deficiency was not properly in the Law itself, but rather in the flesh of men under it. Even Adam in the state in which God created him could not, much more man, after the fall, could never even in one point do what the law commands.

God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh~

Here is where the glorious doctrine of substitutionary atonement and redemption is glorified! God sent His Son Jesus Christ to live under Moses’ Law and keep it perfectly for us! He was made under the Law of Moses as a Jew, so He was bound to keep it (Galatians 4:4). We find from the very beginning that His parents kept its precepts for Him (Luke 2:21-24). His zeal for Moses included teaching and obeying the smallest precepts (Matthew 5:17-20). God sent His Son Jesus Christ with a human, fleshly body to live a life with our nature. He was made in our likeness – a body facing temptation – but without sin (Hebrews 5:4). We are plainly told He was given our constitution, not that of angels (Hebrews 2:14-18).

And for sin.

Sin is the transgression of the Law (1st John 3:4), but Jesus our Lord did not transgress it. Instead, He was given our sins, and He died under the Law’s curse for them (Galatians 3:13; Isaiah 53; 2nd Corinthians 5:21; Hebrews 9;29; ; 1st Petr 2:24).

Condemned sin in the flesh.

He condemned sin by destroying its legal claims against us to free us from its condemnation, in his perfect flesh that was without sin. A perfectly obedient Man kept every precept of the Law and died as a Substitute for our sins. This glorious transaction condemned sin that overwhelms our flesh by a perfect fleshly life. We can give God the glory!

 

[Affinity]

Satan is a deceiver. He is a liar (John 8:44). He lied to Adam and Eve, and he continues to lie to God’s creation. He tempts man to believe his deceptions and accept his lies as truth. And in this he draws fine lines, so that man’s mind, as Kreeft said, is clouded. The target here is the mind of man. James 3:15 talks about demonic wisdom. The wisdom of Satan pervades just about all of man’s living, and man can only withstand by knowing God’s truth, a truth that will set him free (John 8:32).

The deception of Satan is seen in the rise of both old and new false religions, cults, humanistic teachings, and secularism. It is given the garb of biblical acceptance and manifested in miracles and signs and wonders that are false and fake. It is cloaked and clouded in scriptural language while being all the time nothing but hermeneutical heresy. It is made manifest in everyday life even under the guise of national pride and patriotism.

The basic intent of Satan as a deceiver is to make man believe his lies and thereby go against God’s revelation in Scripture. The main thrust of Satan’s opposition here is against the Word of God. And he validates his lies with his false miracles. We must never forget that, as believers in the truth and veracity of God’s Word, Satan can empower people to perform his Satanic wonders thereby even deceiving the very elect (Matt. 24:24).

How do we overcome Satan’s lies and other deceptions? Apart from an awareness of his tactics as a deceiver we must know the truth. Our antidote to being led to believe his lies and fall to his fake demonstrations is to be ourselves deeply rooted in God’s Word. In John 17:15–17 Jesus prays that we be sanctified in the truth so that we could resist the evil one. And in that definitive armor we use to stand against the devil, we are asked to grasp firmly the “sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God” (Eph. 6:17). But the truth must be used and not just displayed. “We must take it into our hearts, and delight in it, and guard it, and wield it boldly and proudly in our personal lives and in our church activities.”


Leonard Thompson, Demons

 

[civic]

Studyman, according to you, God created Adam and Eve with "a mind/heart" that was evil from the start, since you reject that their temptation came from outside of them, so, in your theology, their sin was God's fault by the very fact he created them with this evil wicked mind ~ whom you call the devil/Satan/evil spirits.

Yep

 

[Selah]

Yep

Nah

 

[Selah]

God created Adam and Eve innocent. He also gave them a free will. That’s the way I see it.

 

[civic]

God created Adam and Eve innocent. He also gave them a free will. That’s the way I see it.

Ditto

 

[Red Baker]

Romans 8:4​

“That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.”

That the righteousness of the law.

The Law of Moses condemns every Jew (by revelation) and Gentile (by conscience) to death, because we have failed to keep its righteousness, which is necessary to stand before God without being condemned to the lake of fire, which is the second death. . Who could keep every precept of Moses with a perfect heart to fulfill perfect righteousness? Not man, but Jesus Christ alone.

Might be fulfilled in us.

God sent His Son in this glorious fashion and manner to fulfill perfect righteousness for us which secured our new birth, and eternal life, when a new man was created "in us", which causes us to delight in the law of God after the new man through which we can fulfill its righteous commandments, even though still not perfectly, since the law of sin is still presence in our flesh, and is never eradicated from our flesh, never, until death of the body, but victory over flesh can be accomplished through our new man, where the Spirit of life dwells.

In the legal sight and forensic view of God, every one of God’s elect is perfectly righteous! We have been made the righteousness of God in the Lord Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21)!

who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Every child of God lives a righteous life, they are lover of righteousness and hate wickedness, and labor to flee from its temptations, and do not make provisions for the flesh, in order to please the God they love and serve.

 

[Red Baker]

Romans 8:5​

“For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.”

For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh.

This appears to confirm the explanation that has been given of the last clause of the first verse and of that of the fourth; for Paul here distinguishes between walking after the flesh, and mining the things of the flesh, and between walking after the Spirit, and minding the things of the Spirit. As he had proved that union with Christ was necessary to justification, he here shows that its certain consequence is also sanctification; while they who do not enjoy this union are still under the dominion of sin. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh. This verse connects with the preceding, and contrasts the opposite effects that follow from walking according to the flesh, or according to the Spirit. The minding of the flesh comprehends all the faculties of man in his unregenerate state, there being no power of the mind exempt from sin. If, then, a man walks according to the flesh, seeking acceptance with God by his own works, moral or ceremonial, however earnest or sincere he may be in his endeavors, he will remain under the prevalence and dominion of sinful appetites. Such persons have their minds intent on the things that gratify their corrupt nature. They have no relish for spiritual things; whatever they may be induced to do from dread of punishment, or hope of reward in a future world, their desires are, in reality, centered in the things of this world. Whatever may be their profession of religion, their hearts are supremely engrossed with earthly things; and for these, if they could obtain their wish through eternity, they would gladly barter all the glories of heaven. In one word, they mind the things of the flesh, they love the world, and all that is in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

But they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

They who act according to the principles of the renewed spiritual nature, and seek acceptance with God by faith in Jesus Christ who is the Lord the Spirit, (2nd Corinthians 3:17) mind spiritual things. Jesus Christ is the source of every spiritual blessing, and they who are in Him are not only justified, and consequently freed from condemnation, but also walk in newness of life. They employ their thoughts and efforts about the things of God. To these they attend, and on these their affections are fixed. None will seek the things which are above, but those who are born of God.

 

[Red Baker]

Romans 8:6​

“For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.”

In the preceding verse the Apostle contrasts the dispositions and practices of believers and unbelievers; here he contrasts their opposite states and conditions. These two states of carnal and spiritual mindedness include and divide the whole world. All men belong either to the one or the other. They are either in the flesh or in the Spirit; in a state of nature or in a state of grace.

For to be carnally minded is death.

This is the awful state of the carnal mind ~ the mind of the flesh without faith in Christ, and born of the Spirit of God. It is death spiritual and eternal. All the works of those who are in this state are dead works, (Hebrews 9:14) Solomon said: The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination to the Lord," although the Lord commanded to offer sacrifices, which therefore was in itself a good work. She that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. All by nature being in this carnal state, are dead in trespasses and sins. Let those whose minds are set on the things of the world consider this fearful saying, that to be carnally minded is death, and let them look to Jesus the Savior of the guilty, through whom alone they can escape condemnation.

But to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

These are the effects of being enlightened and guided by the Spirit of God, and so having the mind turned from earthly things to the things of the Spirit. To be spiritually minded is life, even eternal life. This life is already enjoyed by the believer even now. Whoso eateth My flesh, and drinketh My blood, hath eternal life;’ and with his Redeemer he has risen from the death of sin to walk in this new life. It is also peace, both here and hereafter. This peace is the harmony of all the faculties of the soul with God, and with His will, and is altogether the opposite of that enmity against God, which in the following verse is affirmed concerning the carnal mind. While there is nothing so miserable for man as being at war with his Creator, there is nothing so blessed as peace and communion with God. It is peace in the conscience, in opposition to doubt, for which the Church of Rome contends, as if the effect of being spiritually minded, instead of peace and confidence in God, was servile fear and harassing distrust. That church maintains that the man who is regenerated should doubt of his salvation, and be uncertain of God’s love to him. What, then, becomes of this peace that flows from being spiritually minded ~ which passeth all understanding, keeping the heart and mind through Christ Jesus ~ this peace, which is one of the fruits of the Spirit, and a characteristic of the kingdom of God?(Romans 14:17) The peace here spoken of is opposed to the terrors of conscience which the unregenerate experience, and to the opposition in their hearts to God, as well as to every species of false peace by which they maybe deluded. ‘There is no peace, saith my God, to the wicked.’ And again it is said:

Isaiah 26:3​

“Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee.”

 

[Studyman]

no you really don't believe any of them since they all teach the devil is a real and not a parable or the devil means the flesh.

I believe the devil is real, I just don't believe the teaching of this worlds religions you have adopted concerning it. And no doubt there were immortal angels with free will, that rejected the boundaries and limitations given them from God, and sinned, just as Adam and Eve rejected the boundaries and limitation for their free will given to them by God, And sinned.

So who "deceived the angels that sinned"? Whose voice did Lucifer listen to? In God's Kingdom where the Angels lived, who was the "prince of that world" the ruler of the darkness in the high places in the Kingdom Lucifer was kicked out of, "Because he sinned".

Wasn't Lucifer and Eve both created a perfect being with free will??

Ez. 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. 13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God;
"every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. 15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee."

Who is this? Adam and Eve yes? Or Lucifer?

13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

Who said this in their heart? Adam and Eve did, Yes? Or Lucifer?

How can you say that Adam and Eve didn't choose, of her own free will, to do, from the heart, the exact same thing "the devil" did.

Now you and Red and "Many" who come in Christ's Name, calling Jesus Lord, Lord, say it wasn't something from inside Eve that cause her to reject God's Law, because she was created perfect, it was the "devil" from without that caused her sin. That is your judgment BTW, God didn't blame the devil for Adam and Eves sin.

So who caused Lucifer's sin then? Since he was perfect in his ways from the day he was created, just like Adam and Eve. Since he was in the kingdom of God with Gabriel and other righteous angels where there was no sin, just like Adam and Eve. How is it Lucifer sinned? If Eve was not defiled from within, but from without, as you guys preach, where did the iniquity come from in Lucifer.

You guys won't even discuss it. There is no seeking to know God with this world's religions, the only thing you seek is self justification. Just like Adam and just like Eve. But not like Abel or Noah or Abraham.

your man made religion is contrary to Gods revelation in His word.

Here is undeniable Truth. A being with Free Will must have boundaries and limitations or death and misery and destruction will swallow their kingdom.

Even God, the Greatest Power Free Will to ever exists, places limitations on His Own Free will, on Himself, for the good of His Kingdom. He is a Just God. No one makes Him be a just God, HE "Chooses" of His own free will, to be Just. He is a Merciful God. He doesn't have to be, and what could we do about it if HE chose not to be? But HE is Merciful because HE chooses, of His Own Free Will, to be Merciful.

God loved Adam and Eve, and created them after His own image, to have Free will. And HE gave them "limitations and boundaries" to this free will to keep them from destroying themselves with the potential for Lust that comes with free will. A Lust that will destroy the entire Kingdom if it is not ruled over. Lucifer was also given limitations to his free will. He, like Eve, rejected it, from his own free will, from the lust of his own heart.

As a free will being, we have the ability to "choose" to submit to the Limitations God created for us, or reject it. Lucifer rejected it. Adam and Eve rejected it. Abel and Noah didn't reject it.

This isn't a man-made religion, it's the teaching of God to His People who seek to know Him. There is someone on this forum who understands what I am saying, because they too, are interested in more than just self justification, like Adam and Eve. "It was the serpent God placed in the garden that caused me to reject God's Love" not the lusts of my own mind. It was the woman God gave me, that caused me to reject God's Love, not the lust that was in my own mind".

But God teaches differently. Men are defiled by things from within, not without.

"For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High."

Answer the question, "Where did this lust in Lucifer come from"? The answer is, the exact same place the same lust in Eve came from.