Salvation is according to the will of God

[brightfame52]

Ones Salvation isn't by the will of man, but according to the Sovereign will and purpose of God. 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose[will] and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

In the same manner Paul was made an believing Apostle not by his own freewill but by the Sovereign will of God 2 Cor 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Believers were saved from this present world not by their freewill choice, but by the Sovereign will of God

Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word delivered exaireō means:

to rescue, deliver (properly, to cause to be rescued
It also implies election because it means as well

1. to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out
2. to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

So Paul says in Vs 5

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Our Salvation is to the Glory of God, not the so called freewill of man , so to place Salvation/Deliverance to the will of man is an attack on the Glory of God !

 

[TomL]

Ones Salvation isn't by the will of man, but according to the Sovereign will and purpose of God. 2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose[will] and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

In the same manner Paul was made an believing Apostle not by his own freewill but by the Sovereign will of God 2 Cor 1:1

Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

Believers were saved from this present world not by their freewill choice, but by the Sovereign will of God

Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

The word delivered exaireō means:

to rescue, deliver (properly, to cause to be rescued
It also implies election because it means as well

1. to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out
2. to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

So Paul says in Vs 5

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Our Salvation is to the Glory of God, not the so called freewill of man , so to place Salvation/Deliverance to the will of man is an attack on the Glory of God !

God was not compelled to save those who of their own freewill believed he just chose to do so

 

[brightfame52]

God was not compelled to save those who of their own freewill believed he just chose to do so

Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

 

[TomL]

Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

Believers

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

 

[brightfame52]

Believers

Acts 10:43 (LEB) — 43 To this one all the prophets testify, that through his name everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins.”

Sure its believers, that's why they are believers, He delivered[rescued] them from this evil present world of sin and unbelief and false religion. He gave Himself for them prior to them becoming believers ut His death ensured their deliverance, rescue and to be made believers, through the sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth. The word world aiōn means age and satan who is the god of this age holds men in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But Jesus death delivers them He died for from this evil by the god of this world. In order to believe, we must be forst delivered from the power satn has over us holding us in unbelief.

 

[TomL]

Sure its believers, that's why they are believers, He delivered[rescued] them from this evil present world of sin and unbelief and false religion. He gave Himself for them prior to them becoming believers ut His death ensured their deliverance, rescue and to be made believers, through the sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth. The word world aiōn means age and satan who is the god of this age holds men in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But Jesus death delivers them He died for from this evil by the god of this world. In order to believe, we must be forst delivered from the power satn has over us holding us in unbelief.

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

You need to stop twisting scripture to suit your doctrine




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[brightfame52]

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

You need to stop twisting scripture to suit your doctrine




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Sure its believers, that's why they are believers, He delivered[rescued] them from this evil present world of sin and unbelief and false religion. He gave Himself for them prior to them becoming believers but His death ensured their deliverance, rescue and to be made believers, through the sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth. The word world aiōn means age and satan who is the god of this age holds men in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But Jesus death delivers them He died for from this evil by the god of this world. In order to believe, we must be first delivered from the power satan has over us holding us in unbelief.

Again deliverance comes first to result in believing Col 1:13


Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The power of darkness is unbelief and ignorance,

On Col 1:13 Gill writes

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness,.... That is, from the power of Satan; see Acts 26:18, who, though once an angel of light, is now darkness itself, and is reserved in chains of darkness; he is a ruler of the darkness of this world; his kingdom is a kingdom of darkness; and he blinds the minds of them that believe not, keeps them in darkness, and increases the natural darkness of their minds; he delights in works of darkness, and tempts men to them; and his everlasting state and portion will be blackness of darkness: his power over men, in a state of unregeneracy, which he usurps, and is suffered to exercise, is very great; he works effectually in them, and leads them captive at his will; and nothing less than the power of God, who is stronger than the strong man armed, can deliver out of his hands; and which is at least one part of the mercy for which thanks are here given; See Gill on Luke 22:53; with the Jews, one of the names of Satan is "darkness" (e). Moreover, the darkness of sin, ignorance, and unbelief, with which God's elect, while in a state of nature, are surrounded, and, as it were shut up and imprisoned, so that they have not the least spark of true spiritual light and knowledge, may be also meant; under the power of which they are to such a degree, that they know nothing of God in Christ, of the way of salvation by him, or of the work of the Spirit on their souls, or of the doctrines of the Gospel in an experimental manner; and so they continue, till, by an almighty power, they are turned from darkness to light; when, by powerful grace, they are plucked as brands out of the burning, and delivered from wrath to come, and from that utter darkness of misery and destruction their ways of sin and darkness led and exposed them to. This deliverance is wrought out for them in the effectual calling, when they are internally called, and powerfully brought out of this darkness, by introducing light into them, revealing Christ in them, causing the prince of darkness to flee from them, and the scales of darkness and blindness to fall from their eyes; and which is both an instance or the wonderful grace of God, and of his almighty power, and in which lies in part the saints' meetness for the inheritance; for these words are, in some sort, explanative of the former; for so long as a person is under the power of darkness, he cannot be meet for an inheritance which is in light: it follows, as another branch of this mercy, for which thanks are given,

 

[Ahar]

Nope that is not what scripture states


You need to stop twisting scripture to suit your doctrine

Then there would be no Calvinism.

 

[brightfame52]

Then there would be no Calvinism.

Scoffing the Gospel of Grace !

 

[Ahar]

Calvinism is not the Gospel of Grace. Truth not Scoffing.

 

[brightfame52]

Calvinism is not the Gospel of Grace. Truth not Scoffing.

Oh yes it is the Gospel,TULP

 

[TomL]

Then there would be no Calvinism.

True

 

[TomL]

Sure its believers, that's why they are believers, He delivered[rescued] them from this evil present world of sin and unbelief and false religion. He gave Himself for them prior to them becoming believers but His death ensured their deliverance, rescue and to be made believers, through the sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the Truth. The word world aiōn means age and satan who is the god of this age holds men in unbelief 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

But Jesus death delivers them He died for from this evil by the god of this world. In order to believe, we must be first delivered from the power satan has over us holding us in unbelief.

Again deliverance comes first to result in believing Col 1:13


Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

The power of darkness is unbelief and ignorance,

On Col 1:13 Gill writes

You did not address these which clearly put faith before justification

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Forget Gill and believe scripture

 

[brightfame52]

You did not address these which clearly put faith before justification

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Forget Gill and believe scripture

This is about deliverance from evil and sin is according to will of God and not mans will Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. His giving Himself for the sins of them He died for, will be delivered, saved,proving limited atonement to only the saved, delivered.

 

[Ahar]

Oh yes it is the Gospel,TULP

What part of John Calvin's man made gospel is:

God is definitely “not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ Ezekiel 33:11

(God) who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.1 Timothy 2:4

 

[brightfame52]

What part of John Calvin's man made gospel is:

God is definitely “not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” 2 Peter 3:9

Say to them, ‘As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign Lord, I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn from their ways and live. Turn! Turn from your evil ways! Why will you die, people of Israel?’ Ezekiel 33:11

(God) who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.1 Timothy 2:4

You are still rejecting the Gospel

 

[Ahar]

You are still rejecting the Gospel

Just this one.

The Bible says, “I marvel that you are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ to another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:6–8).

 

[TomL]

This is about deliverance from evil and sin is according to will of God and not mans will Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. His giving Himself for the sins of them He died for, will be delivered, saved,proving limited atonement to only the saved, delivered.

You did not address these which clearly put faith before justification

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Forget Gill and believe scripture

 

[brightfame52]

You did not address these which clearly put faith before justification

Nope that is not what scripture states

Galatians 2:16 (LEB) — 16 but knowing that a person is not justified by the works of the law, if not by faith in Jesus Christ, and we have believed in Christ Jesus so that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no human being will be justified.

Scripture puts faith first then justification. Unbelievers are not forgiven or justified

John 3:18 (NIV84) — 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

Forget Gill and believe scripture

This is about deliverance from evil and sin is according to will of God and not mans will Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. His giving Himself for the sins of them He died for, will be delivered, saved,proving limited atonement to only the saved, delivered.

 

[TomL]

This is about deliverance from evil and sin is according to will of God and not mans will Gal 1:4-5

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

5 To whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen. His giving Himself for the sins of them He died for, will be delivered, saved,proving limited atonement to only the saved, delivered.

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