Salvation by Grace through Faith

[TibiasDad]

I don't have to debate you

And I don’t have any reason to believe you.


Doug

 

[TomL]

I don't have to debate you

You aren't concerned about justifying your beliefs through a thorough examination of scripture?

 

[TibiasDad]

Faith is either of one or two sources, God or man. Now if its of God, its a matter of pure grace and opposed to works, but if its of man, its a meritorious work and opposed to Grace. Take your pick

God has given us the capacity for trust/faith.

That trust can be applied to anything we choose. We choose and reject many things throughout our lives; relationships, actions, opportunities.

Grace comes into play when God gives us something in which to trust that he didn’t have to give and that we are not worthy of receiving.

The same trust that I am able to place with my wife, is the same trust that God asks me to place in his promises and character. Same trust, differing objects in which to trust!

Doug

 

[TomL]

God has given us the capacity for trust/faith.

That trust can be applied to anything we choose. We choose and reject many things throughout our lives; relationships, actions, opportunities.

Grace comes into play when God gives us something in which to trust that he didn’t have to give and that we are not worthy of receiving.

The same trust that I am able to place with my wife, is the same trust that God asks me to place in his promises and character. Same trust, differing objects in which to trust!

Doug

 

[brightfame52]

You aren't concerned about justifying your beliefs through a thorough examination of scripture?

I have given hundreds of scripture here explaining my views, what are you talking about ?

 

[civic]

God has given us the capacity for trust/faith.

That trust can be applied to anything we choose. We choose and reject many things throughout our lives; relationships, actions, opportunities.

Grace comes into play when God gives us something in which to trust that he didn’t have to give and that we are not worthy of receiving.

The same trust that I am able to place with my wife, is the same trust that God asks me to place in his promises and character. Same trust, differing objects in which to trust!

Doug

Amen

 

[civic]

Another issue I have with Calvinists which I will start a thread is this idea that only the Bible cannot be understood but every other writing in the world can be understood. It’s flawed reasoning. It’s unbiblical thinking.

 

[brightfame52]

God has given us the capacity for trust/faith.

That trust can be applied to anything we choose. We choose and reject many things throughout our lives; relationships, actions, opportunities.

Grace comes into play when God gives us something in which to trust that he didn’t have to give and that we are not worthy of receiving.

The same trust that I am able to place with my wife, is the same trust that God asks me to place in his promises and character. Same trust, differing objects in which to trust!

Doug

Faith to believe in Christ is a Gift of Gods Grace, no man has it naturally. Now if your faith is natural faith, and not faith by grace, then its a work, not grace. Faith is opposed to works when Faith is of Grace.

 

[TomL]

I have given hundreds of scripture here explaining my views, what are you talking about ?

Your interpretations of many verses were refuted; not one actually stated God determines from before the foundation of the earth those who will believe and those who will not.

Furthermore, seeing as God, before the foundation of the Earth, saw who he would need to impart faith to as a matter of redemption, as per your theology, Adam's fall had to be determined.

 

[civic]

I have given hundreds of scripture here explaining my views, what are you talking about ?

Grossly exaggerated maybe a dozen

 

[brightfame52]

Your interpretations of many verses were refuted; not one actually stated God determines from before the foundation of the earth those who will believe and those who will not.

Furthermore, seeing as God, before the foundation of the Earth, saw who he would need to impart faith to as a matter of redemption, as per your theology, Adam's fall had to be determined.

You say they were refuted, so what I suppose to do, believe they are refurled because you think so ? I haven't known you to ever refute anything I have provided, you deny it, then pile up 1000 verses for me to spend hours explaining to you.

 

[brightfame52]

Grossly exaggerated maybe a dozen

Who started the thread ?

 

[civic]

Who started the thread ?

Just repeating the same dozen or so passages

 

[brightfame52]

Faith is given as a Gift to a person to believe in Christ righteousness imputed to them, its then they see Christ as the Lord my righteousness. Jer 33 16

In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The Lord our righteousness.

Their sins were imputed to Him and His Righteousness imputed to them 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[TomL]

You say they were refuted, so what I suppose to do, believe they are refurled because you think so ? I haven't known you to ever refute anything I have provided, you deny it, then pile up 1000 verses for me to spend hours explaining to you.

No, not because of me, but because the scriptures clearly refuted them.

And you fail to deal with those particular verses and points.

 

[TomL]

Grossly exaggerated maybe a dozen

And often grossly misinterpreted based on a failure to consider context or the whole of the scriptural revelation

 

[TibiasDad]

Faith to believe in Christ is a Gift of Gods Grace, no man has it naturally.

Prove it!

Now if your faith is natural faith, and not faith by grace, then its a work, not grace. Faith is opposed to works when Faith is of Grace.

Biblical Faith, by definition, is the opposite of works. Your redefining the meaning of faith is a tactic often employed by cults, such as the JWs and Mormons.

Doug