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In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God, so obedience to God is part of the way to receive the Spirit, however, Galatians 3:1-2 denies that "works of the law" are part of the way to receive the Spirit, therefore that phrase does not refer to obedience to God. In Romans 3:27-31, Paul contrasted a law of works with a law of faith, so works of the law are of works, while he said that our faith upholds God's law, so it is of faith, and a law that our faith upholds can't be referring to the same thing as the works of the law that are not of faith in Galatians 3:10-11.
According to Deuteronomy 27-28, relying on the Book of the Law is the way to be blessed while not relying on it is the way to be cursed, so Galatians 3:10 should not be interpreted as Paul quoting from Deuteronomy 27-28 to support point that is arguing against that passage by saying that relying on it is the way to be cursed and the way to avoid being cursed is by not relying on it. Rather, all of those who rely on works of the law come under the curse for not rely on the Book of the Law because they are doing that instead of relying on the Book of the Law. In Galatians 3:11-12, Paul connected quote from Habakkuk 2:4 saying that the righteous shall live by faith with a quote from Leviticus 18:5 that the one who obeys the Law of Moses will live by it, so the righteous who are living by faith are the same as through who are living in obedience to the Law of Moses. Likewise, in Isaiah 51:7, the righteous are those on whose heart is the Law of Moses, so the righteous living by faith does not refer to a manner of living that is not in obedience to it.
God is trustworthy, therefore His law is also trustworthy (Psalms 19:7), so the way to trust God is by trusting in what He has instructed while it is contradictory to think that we should trust God instead of trusting in what He has instructed. While it is true that Abraham believed God, so he was righteous (Genesis 15:6), it is also true that he believed God, so he obeyed God's commanded to offer Isaac (Hebrews 11:17), so faith is not an alternative to obeying God's commands, but rather the same faith by which he was declared righteous was also expressed as obedience to Him. Again, in Genesis 26:5, Abraham heard God's voice and guarded His charge, His commandments, His statutes, and His laws, so faith in God is not an alternative to living in obedience to Him.
God did not give the Law of Moses as a curse to His children, but rather he gave it as a gift for our own good in order to bless us (Deuteronomy 6:24, 10:12-13), so being redeemed from the curse of the law is being set free from the curse of living in disobedience to it so that we can be free to enjoy the blessing of living in obedience to it. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Christ gave himself to redeem us from the Law of Moses, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Law of Moses is the way to believe in what Christ accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20). So the freedom that we have in Christ is the freedom from sin, not the freedom to sin.
In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at had, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Law of Moses was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message, which is in accordance with Jesus being sent in fulfillment of the promise to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26), which was the Gospel that was made known in advance to Abraham in accordance with the promise (Galatians 3:8), and which he preached to Gentiles in Haran in accordance with the promise (Genesis 12:1-5). In Genesis 18:19, Genesis 26:4-5, and Deuteronomy 30:16, the promise was made to Abraham and brought about because he walked in God's way in obedience to His law, he taught his children and those of his household to do that, and because they did that in obedience to the Mosaic Law. In Psalms 119:1-3, the Mosaic Law is how children of Abraham knew to be blessed by walking in God's way, in John 8:39, Jesus said that if they were children of Abraham, then they would be doing the same works as him, so the way that the children of Abraham inherit the promise through faith of being multiplied and being a light to the nations is not through having many physical descendants, but through turning the nations from their wickedness and teaching them to do the same works as Abraham by walking in God's way in obedience to His law in accordance with spreading the Gospel.
In Galatians 3:16-19, a newer covenant does not nullify the promise of a covenant that has already been ratified, so it does not nullify our need to obey the Mosaic Law in connection with the promise. In Galatians 3:20-25, someone who disregarded everything that their tutor taught them after they left would be missing the whole point of a tutor. In Galatians 3:26-29, every aspect of being children of God, through faith, in Christ, and children of Abraham and heirs to the promise is directly connected to living in obedience to the Mosaic Law, where those who do not practice righteousness in obedience to it are not children of God (1 John 3:4-10), where faith is one of the weightier matters of the Mosaic Law (Matthew 23:23), and where those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked (1 John 2:6).
Jesus set a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Mosaic Law, and we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22). So Jesus spent his ministry teaching his followers how to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example and Paul's problem with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ, but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to obey works of the law first in order to become saved.
If we break any law and become a lawbreaker, then we need to repent and return to obedience, which is precisely what James 2:1-11 was encouraging people to do, so that is not a problem with wanting to be under regulations. James 2:10 has nothing to do with warning them against obeying what God has commanded, so he should be ashamed of how much he is abusing that poor verse.
The fact that God's law was added because of disobedience is not justification for why we should be disobedient. It is absurd to think that following what the Father commanded leads us away from the simplicity of following Christ. In Romans 7:12-13, Paul said that the Law of Moses is good and that it was not that which is good that brought death to him.
In Matthew 22:36-40, Jesus was not asked about which laws we need to follow, but about which is the greatest commandment, and if we think that we should obey the greatest two commandments, then we should also think that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them, and he recognized this by citing the 10 Commandments as hanging on the greatest two. It is contradictory to think that we just need to obey God's command to love, but not all of His other commandments for how He wants us to love. In Matthew 24:12-14, Jesus said that because of lawlessness the love of many will grow cold, so he was not saying that all we just need to obey the greatest two commandments and we can be lawless to everything else.
In Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so knowing Jesus is the goal of the Law of Moses, so he is speaking against coming to know Jesus. When Moses said that this is our life in Deuteronomy 32:46-47, he was speaking about the Law of Moses, which the video just spoke against.
The Psalms express an extremely positive view of the Law of Moses, such as with David repeatedly saying that he loved it and delighted in obeying it, so if we consider the Psalms to be Scripture and to therefore express a correct view of the Law of Moses, then we will share it, as Paul did (Romans 7:22), and we will interpret Galatians as though Paul delighted in obeying it. The view that it is so good to not be under the Law of Moses is incompatible with the view that the Psalms are Scripture.
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Diserner
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A wise man once said the following :
" we should spending more time with Jesus not Youtube videos. "
hope this helps !!!
A wise man once said:
Jesus watched it with me.
Hope this helps !!!
Jamie Russell CME
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These "Judaisers" were Jew d izing them in the synagogues where they were going to church on Sabbath according to the commandment.
Jamie Russell CME
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you should send that galatians vid to the Jerusalem coucil. So they stop making the Corinthians follow all dem Torah laws in Acts 15.
Diserner
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10 "Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 "But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they." (Acts 15:10-11 NKJ)
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Most Christians traditionally worship on Sunday. Sunday worship is partly attributed to Sabbatarianism, the view that one day of the week should be reserved for religious observance and worship, as required by Old Testament laws regarding the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 31:12–18). In this view, man is to abstain from all labor except that which is necessary for the welfare of family and society. This interpretation of the law contends that only on the literal Sabbath, the seventh day of the week (Saturday), can the requirements of the law be met.
Semi-Sabbatarianism followers, as early as the fourth century AD, believed essentially as the Sabbatarians did, with the exception that they transferred its demands from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week (the day on which Christ arose from the dead). Theologians of that period, particularly in the Eastern Church, were teaching the practical identity of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) and the Christian Sunday.
Interestingly, a legend recounted in the so-called Apocalypse of Peter, which dates back to the 2nd century AD and is generally accepted as a false writing, transfers to Sunday all of the requirements of Sabbath worship. A man named Albertus Magnus added momentum to this growing movement by suggesting semi-Sabbatarianism be divided into two parts: the moral command to observe a day of rest after laboring the previous six days, and the ceremonial symbol that applied only to the Jews in a literal sense. Thomas Aquinas elevated this proposal to the status of official Roman Catholic doctrine, which in time also gained favor with many Reformed theologians.
Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week, Sunday. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Paul also urges the Corinthian believers, “On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection may have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically, Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.
Christians worship on Sundays in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is very important to remember, though, Sunday worship is not commanded in the Bible, and Sunday has not replaced Saturday and become the Christian Sabbath. While the New Testament describes Christians gathering and worshiping on Sundays, it nowhere states that Sunday has replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. The key point in all of this is that we are not to limit our worship to any particular day of the week. We are to rest in the Lord every day. We are to worship the Lord every day.
Why do Christians worship on Sunday? | GotQuestions.org
Why do Christians worship on Sunday? Is Sunday the Christian Sabbath? What is the origin of Sunday worship?
www.gotquestions.org
It is important to keep in mind that for Jews the day starts at sundown, a meeting on the 1st day of the week refers to meeting on Saturday night at sundown. Jews have a longstanding tradition of meeting on Saturday ad sundown for Havdalah to mark the close of the Sabbath and to welcome the work week, which means that Paul left on Sunday morning to travel. Jews also traditionally did not handle money on the Sabbath, so collecting money on the 1st day of the week was in accordance with that. So this does not support that they met on Sunday morning, and even if they had, it doesn't support that it was the start of a new tradition, and even if it was, it doesn't support that they were hypocritically keeping this new tradition instead of obeying what God has commanded, and even if they were, it wouldn't support that we should follow their tradition instead of obeying God. Jews worshiped God on every day of the week, so there is nothing wrong with following a tradition of worshiping God on Sunday in addition to obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy, but there is something wrong hypocritically doing that instead of obeying God.
Diserner
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God's commandments can be time and context dependent.
It would be disobedience to force a commandment that no longer applies to us.
I recommend the book of Hebrews.
Jamie Russell CME
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nice*
Jamie Russell CME
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nice, I will have to think about that.
Jamie Russell CME
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if you love me, keep my commandments. Jesus is this GodMost Christians traditionally worship on Sunday. Sunday worship is partly attributed to Sabbatarianism, the view that one day of the week should be reserved for religious observance and worship, as required by Old Testament laws regarding the Sabbath (Exodus 20:8, 31:12–18). In this view, man is to abstain from all labor except that which is necessary for the welfare of family and society. This interpretation of the law contends that only on the literal Sabbath, the seventh day of the week (Saturday), can the requirements of the law be met.
Semi-Sabbatarianism followers, as early as the fourth century AD, believed essentially as the Sabbatarians did, with the exception that they transferred its demands from Saturday to Sunday, the first day of the week (the day on which Christ arose from the dead). Theologians of that period, particularly in the Eastern Church, were teaching the practical identity of the Jewish Sabbath (Saturday) and the Christian Sunday.
Interestingly, a legend recounted in the so-called Apocalypse of Peter, which dates back to the 2nd century AD and is generally accepted as a false writing, transfers to Sunday all of the requirements of Sabbath worship. A man named Albertus Magnus added momentum to this growing movement by suggesting semi-Sabbatarianism be divided into two parts: the moral command to observe a day of rest after laboring the previous six days, and the ceremonial symbol that applied only to the Jews in a literal sense. Thomas Aquinas elevated this proposal to the status of official Roman Catholic doctrine, which in time also gained favor with many Reformed theologians.
Scripture never mentions any Sabbath (Saturday) gatherings by believers for fellowship or worship. However, there are clear passages that mention the first day of the week, Sunday. For instance, Acts 20:7 states that “on the first day of the week we came together to break bread.” Paul also urges the Corinthian believers, “On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income” (1 Corinthians 16:2). Since Paul designates this offering as “service” in 2 Corinthians 9:12, this collection may have been linked with the Sunday worship service of the Christian assembly. Historically, Sunday, not Saturday, was the normal meeting day for Christians in the church, and its practice dates back to the first century.
Christians worship on Sundays in celebration of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is very important to remember, though, Sunday worship is not commanded in the Bible, and Sunday has not replaced Saturday and become the Christian Sabbath. While the New Testament describes Christians gathering and worshiping on Sundays, it nowhere states that Sunday has replaced Saturday as the Sabbath. The key point in all of this is that we are not to limit our worship to any particular day of the week. We are to rest in the Lord every day. We are to worship the Lord every day.
Why do Christians worship on Sunday? | GotQuestions.org
Why do Christians worship on Sunday? Is Sunday the Christian Sabbath? What is the origin of Sunday worship?www.gotquestions.org
Ray
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Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24
John is simply repeating the teaching of Jesus, who named as the "greatest commandment" to love God, and the next greatest to love your neighbor as yourself.
The Christian life is described as a walk, a journey in Romans 8 and Galatians 5. From our perspective, we walk with the Spirit. From His perspective, we are led by the Spirit. If we are led by the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal 5:16). In other words, we are victorious Christians. What are the lusts of the flesh? They are the works of the flesh mentioned a few verses later. But, if we walk with the Spirit or are led by Him, we will enjoy the fruit of the Spirit which are also mentioned a few verses after Gal 5:16. This is the victorious Christian life. It is not a permanent occurrence like the baptism of the Spirit. Rather, it is progressive. As we continue growing in our Christian lives, we follow Him (are led by Him) more and more consistently.
John is simply repeating the teaching of Jesus, who named as the "greatest commandment" to love God, and the next greatest to love your neighbor as yourself.
The Christian life is described as a walk, a journey in Romans 8 and Galatians 5. From our perspective, we walk with the Spirit. From His perspective, we are led by the Spirit. If we are led by the Spirit, we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh (Gal 5:16). In other words, we are victorious Christians. What are the lusts of the flesh? They are the works of the flesh mentioned a few verses later. But, if we walk with the Spirit or are led by Him, we will enjoy the fruit of the Spirit which are also mentioned a few verses after Gal 5:16. This is the victorious Christian life. It is not a permanent occurrence like the baptism of the Spirit. Rather, it is progressive. As we continue growing in our Christian lives, we follow Him (are led by Him) more and more consistently.
