Obadiah
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Limited atonement
Limited atonement is the easiest reformed doctrine to refute, as there are clear and explicit scriptures (not parables, nor proverbs) but plain speech that state the complete opposite.Which is: Christ did, in fact, pay for the sins of the whole world. That he accomplished an unlimited atonement, made available to anyone who wants to believe.
Instead, limited atonement of Calvin states that Jesus did not pay for the sins of the whole world, but rather that he only paid for the sins of “his people.” I will quote R. C. Sproul’s own mouth (leading Calvinist) as he makes his best case for this retarded view of the cross:
R. C. Sproul: “I prefer not to use the term limited atonement because it is misleading. I rather speak of definite redemption or definite atonement, which communicates that God the Father designed the work of redemption specifically with a view to providing salvation for the elect, and that Christ died for His sheep and laid down His life for those the Father had given to Him” (https://www.ligonier.org/blog/tulip-and-reformed-theology-limited-atonement/).
And in keeping with Calvinism’s slitherous approach, he refuses to give a straight answer. Instead, he uses many words and “fair sounding speech” to euphemize the obvious implications of his heresy. Key phrases like “definite redemption” or “definite atonement” are weak attempts to implant positive associations with Calvinism’s doctrine of: Christ’s not paying for everyone’s sins.
Limited atonement teaches that Christ is not the savior of the whole world. He thinks that he can smuggle in this heresy by softening the initial blow, with softer sounding words. This reminds me of what is written in the Bible, when the people of Israel did not want the truth, instead they wanted to hear “smooth things”:
Isaiah 30
10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:
Romans 16
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Colossians 2
8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Jude 1
4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 2
1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error.
The passage from 2 Peter (above) is very revealing. It tells of how certain men crept in unawares. “Crept in unawares,” which is exactly how Calvinism operates, with their willingness to befriend the simple, in hopes of later indoctrinating them. They creep in with their subtlety, and great swelling words of vanity. They come with their mild mannerisms, tame look, clean-cut appearance, with their degrees in theology, and oh how they love to play word games. I am talking semantics, not scrabble, though they would love to enter your home for a board game. They come with their subtlety to bring in damnable heresies: even denying the Lord that bought them! So, whoever these men are that Peter warns about, they deny Christ “who bought them.” Therefore, there are men whom Christ purchased with his own blood, that are condemned because of their twisting of scripture and denial of Christ. This is impossible if limited atonement were true, because God only bought his own people, according to Calvin. Therefore, this passage speaks expressly about Calvinism, in a very prophetic manner I might add.
As I was researching the origins of this limited atonement, it seems as though Calvin himself did not hold to this doctrine. Or at least he did not explicitly and succinctly draw any lines on this matter. Instead, what I find is that the Calvinists, in their pseudo-intellectual fervor, have come to the conclusion of limited atonement on the basis of deductive reasoning. Which sounds all fair and good, except their premises are all wrong. Calvinists are not committed to truth, but to their doctrine. Therefore, they are blind to the error in the preceding TU of their acrostic TULIP. In any case, as much as I hate Calvin, I must admit that he himself seemed to believe that Jesus Christ tasted death for the whole “human race.” But I cannot be sure what he means by this, as you know the manner of Calvinists. They use words that they ought not, to intentionally imply falsehoods, with the intent to later seduce you with their sick statement of faith. This is the definition of a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
What you will hear on this point is that “Christ died for all men without distinction, but not for all men without exception.” Which is another one of their cultish slogans they are likely to throw in your face. Which means that whenever the Bible says that God “died for the whole world,” or “whosoever,” it really means for any race, for any kind of human being.
Calvinists are really showing their true colors now! Whenever the Bible is read by a Calvinist, they do so with the backdrop of racial bigotry and exclusionism. And so, the great message of the Calvinist god has is that he died for all kinds of people.
My sarcastic response – Oh what Grace! You mean he didn’t die for everyman, as the Bible says? Instead, he only died for every kind of man?
Genuine Calvinist answer – isn’t it beautiful? What a great message, right? Not everyone can be saved, Oh the depths of God! Oh the love of God, shown towards the elect! The elect might be from any race! What a gift!
Clearly, the Calvin lover that came up with this defense must have struggled with some kind of prejudice or racial bigotry. And when the devil pointed that out, he thought it was the Holy Spirit guiding him into all truth. And then the ah hah moment came: “I must deny myself” thought the Calvinist.
… think, Calvinist think… what would Calvin do?…. It must be that god might elect some of those colored folks as well! As much as I hate to admit it! I was wrong to assume that God foreordained that the saved would be born white, that is wrong! I must deny myself. I must accept the possibility that God picks men from any race! That’s the grace of God! Of Course!
Only someone who is thoroughly brainwashed would accept this as a defensible position. God couldn’t care less about anyone’s race. Why? Because he made everyone. He could “of these stones raise up children unto Abraham” (Matthew 3:9). Which is literally what happened if you believe in theistic evolution, by the way. The Bible says, “For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?” (1 Corinthians 4:7). The Bible says that God does not respect any man’s person (Romans 2:11). Let alone race. Please, any retard would know this.
So, I will leave it at that for the heretical position. This limited atonement is so feeble, that it doesn’t even get off the ground.
I will now list some of the verses in the Bible about the unlimited atonement that God has made available to every single human being. It could have been that all are saved, but some choose not to be saved. That’s on them, that’s their choice.
1 John 2
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Colossians 1
28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus
John 1
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
Hebrews 7
9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
John 3
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 11
26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
Acts 2
11 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Romans 10
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
1 John 1
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Revelation 22
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
John 5
9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
John 4
And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying: for we have heard him ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ, the Saviour of the world.
Timothy 4
10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1 John 4
4 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
These scriptures speak for themselves. Not only that, but there are no explicit scriptures that Calvinists may appeal to, in order to say that God did not pay for the sins of the whole world. They do not have a single verse that says, “Jesus Christ did not taste death for everyman.” But we do have a scripture that says, “he by the grace of God should taste death for every man” (Hebrews 2:9).
Any Calvinist reading this, I challenge you: give me 1 verse that says the following:
- Jesus Christ did NOT taste death for every man.
- Jesus Christ is NOT the savior of the whole world.
- Jesus Christ is NOT the propitiation for the sins of the whole world.
- God so loved the elect, that only the elect may believe and be saved.
- The Spirit and the bride say come, who whosoever is elect, let him come. And whosoever is forced, force him to take of the water of life forcefully.
Calvinists will give account for their blasphemy. God will ask them: “Why should I pick you over someone else?” Calvinists have no response, because their own doctrine says that they are unconditionally elected. God’s response: “Therefore, neither will I pick you.”
Calvinism is a trap. The devil is setting up Calvinists to be denied Heaven when they die. The devil hates everyone, including his own. That’s why the devil is tricking Calvinists, he is setting them up for Hell, on the day of judgement.
Limited atonement is completely unscriptural. Salvation is extended to every single human being that has ever lived, or ever will live.