brightfame52
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False teaching, be careful with that,
If a person goes their entire life in unbelief, that means Christ didnt die for them as one of His Sheep Jn 1026
Redeemed from unbelief !
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If a person goes their entire life in unbelief, that means Christ didnt die for them as one of His Sheep Jn 1026
Behold
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Christ died for "sinners"......... "Jesus came into the world to save SINNERS"...
Once they are saved, then they have become a "new Creation".. "in Christ".. and that defines a "Sheep".
Anyone, and all who will believe, may become a "sheep", a "born again Christian".
God does not cause this.........God OFFERS this.......to "all who will believe".. or as John 3 says.....>>"WHOSOEVER"...
Lying Calvinism, and its heretics, deny the Cross, and frankly should not be allowed to to SELL John Calvinism on a "christian" forum, as this directly and purposely attempts to deceive Christians, and this should never be allowed on any forum that proclaims itself to be of God., and of Christ.
"well behold, .. we allow all the heretics and all the heresies on our "christian" forum, because we hope that they will come to the truth".
See that?
That is NONSENSE, and its dishonest...........as the only reason that heretics and Their TULIP madness is allowed on "christian" forums... is so that people can argue which entertains people who need it.
This is so carnal... truly.
Again Christ died for all
Christ died list
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Exported from Logos Bible Study, 8:42 AM February 25, 2025.
and one becomes his sheep by following him
Btw you ignore how it was granted in Phil 1:29
How those at Phillipi were granted faith is explained in Acts
Acts 16:9–12 (KJV 1900) — 9 And a vision appeared to Paul in the night; There stood a man of Macedonia, and prayed him, saying, Come over into Macedonia, and help us. 10 And after he had seen the vision, immediately we endeavoured to go into Macedonia, assuredly gathering that the Lord had called us for to preach the gospel unto them. 11 Therefore loosing from Troas, we came with a straight course to Samothracia, and the next day to Neapolis; 12 And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days.
Paul is not saying that their faith was given to them, but that the opportunity to believe was given to them by God's grace as God sent Paul there to present the gospel and plant the church:
Scripture showed otherwise
and you just ignored it
brightfame52
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If a person never believes in Jesus, its because they were not one of His Sheep He died for Jn 10:26
brightfame52
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If a person never believes in Jesus, its because they were not one of His Sheep He died for Jn 10:26
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
No one has the right to believe on Christ if He didn't die for them, Faith is given to all for whom He died Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
brightfame52
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If a person dies in unbelief and sins, its because Christ never died for them putting away their sins and condemnation.
Pancho Frijoles
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If a person dies in unbelief and sins, it's as if Christ had never died for him...
brightfame52
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No, He didnt die for them, those He died for He will give them faith
Pancho Frijoles
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Suppose that @TomL and you go together to see a young unbeliever in his agony at home, due to a metastatic cancer (see image below).
The both of you call him to repent and believe in Christ. He asks the two of you "Did Jesus die for me?"
What are you guys going to answer? Let me give it a try and please correct me if I am wrong
Response from brightfame52:
Well, if you do believe and repent, Jesus died for you. If you don't, it's because he didn't .
Response from @TomL
Yes, Jesus died for you. However, if you don't believe and repent, it is as if He hadn't.
Which of the two answers will make a difference in this person's willingness to repent and believe in Christ? Perhaps both answers?
Brother @Behold, please participate.
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Rather from brightfame52:
I don't know if Christ died for you
and from TomL
Yes he died for you and if you trust in him you may have eternal life
brightfame52
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Christs redeeming death will successfully redeem them He died for , causing a separation from the world, Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
The words out of are the prep ek:
It, Redeeming Death creates a separate people out from the world, which gives them a new song !
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
The words out of are the prep ek:
It, Redeeming Death creates a separate people out from the world, which gives them a new song !
Christ died for all
Christ died list
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Christ died for all
1 Timothy 2:4–6
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Romans 5:18
Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Isaiah 53:6
All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned every one to his own way; And the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
1 Timothy 4:10
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
John 6:51
I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
2 Corinthians 5:14–15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15 And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
John 11:51
And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
1 John 2:2
And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:19
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
your doctrine is unbiblical
Behold
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The Cross of Christ is God wrapped in human flesh dying for the sin of the world.
So, that is everyone......"world"........"For God so loved the WORLD".........= all sinners.
God does not give people faith...........God requires it of people.
There is a spiritual gift of Faith, that Paul teaches as one of the "9", but, that is given to a Christian.........not an unbeliever.
See, if God is causing you to believe in Jesus, then you didnt do it yourself, and God requires OUR Faith in Christ..........not His.
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Behold
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They are redeemed out of every nation, because in every nation, since The Cross was Raised, you have people in every nation who chose to Trust in Christ. And God accepts their faith to accept them, ("Justification by (their) faith").... and thereby God birth's them as "born again".. Christians.
See, "Abraham believed God"........He was not forced or caused to believe......as its His FAITH, HIS Belief.......that God accepted.
brightfame52
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False, they are redeemed out of every nation because of the blood shed of Christ Rev 5:9
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
