Redeemed from unbelief !

[FreeInChrist]

Thats false and unscriptural

Scripture consistently shows that salvation, justification, and receiving eternal life occur when a person believes—not before. Verses like Acts 16:31, Romans 5:1, and John 3:16 all place faith before salvation. The Bible also says unbelievers are still under God’s wrath (John 3:36), which means they are not yet saved prior to believing. The idea that someone is saved before faith is a theological inference, not a direct biblical statement.

Scripture consistently shows belief comes before salvation. “Believe…and you will be saved” (Acts 16:31), “justified by faith” (Romans 5:1). The Bible never says someone is saved before they believe—that’s a theological assumption, not a direct verse.

The Bible says “believe and be saved,” not “be saved so you can believe.”

God drawing or convicting someone isn’t the same as saving them. Scripture still places justification and eternal life at the point of faith, not before it.

 

[brightfame52]

no one is redeemed or saved before they first hear the gospel, then believe the gospel. I already corrected it with plenty of scriptures that expose your view as unbiblical.

Everyone Christ died for and obtained eternal redemption for Heb 9:12 there eternal destiny is secured from the penalty of sin, their being heirs of an eternal inheritance is sure, and in due time they will be called Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture consistently shows that salvation, justification, and receiving eternal life occur when a person believes—

No it doesnt. Redemption provides a legal benefit, freed from the penalty of sin b4 the elect person is born a transgressor.

 

[civic]

Everyone Christ died for and obtained eternal redemption for Heb 9:12 there eternal destiny is secured from the penalty of sin, their being heirs of an eternal inheritance is sure, and in due time they will be called Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

typical ISOLATION of a verse TORN out of the context of Hebrews which amounts to your typical eisegesis.

no one is an heir apart from faith, no one is redeemed apart from faith, no ones sins are forgiven apart from faith which is mentioned more than 30 times in Hebrews.

next fallacy

 

[brightfame52]

typical ISOLATION of a verse TORN out of the context of Hebrews which amounts to your typical eisegesis.

Sorry but its in the context. Those whom He redeemed by His death are redeemed from the penalty of sin forever, eternal redemption, and unto an inheritance which is eternal, and that b4 they were born, thats Christ work

 

[civic]

Sorry but its in the context. Those whom He redeemed by His death are redeemed from the penalty of sin forever, eternal redemption, and unto an inheritance which is eternal, and that b4 they were born, thats Christ work

no thats already been debunked

 

[brightfame52]

no thats already been debunked

In your imagination

 

[FreeInChrist]

No it doesnt. Redemption provides a legal benefit, freed from the penalty of sin b4 the elect person is born a transgressor.

Redemption being accomplished by Christ is not the same as it being applied to a person. Scripture consistently says the benefits—justification, forgiveness, and eternal life—are received through faith, not before it (Acts 16:31, Romans 5:1, John 3:16).

If someone were already freed from the penalty of sin before believing, then John 3:36 wouldn’t say unbelievers are still under God’s wrath.

The Bible never directly says a person is justified or freed from sin’s penalty before they believe—that’s a theological conclusion being read into the text, not stated by it.

 

[FreeInChrist]

In your imagination

Whoever your teacher is, if he is/was being paid he needs to be fired. If you are self taught then there lies the problem

 

[brightfame52]

Redemption being accomplished by Christ is not the same as it being applied to a person.

Yes its been applied legally, it was a transaction between Christ and the Father. Once Christ completed the redemptive death for the offenders, God released the offenders of the debt they owed Heb 9:12

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

This is what has been obtained for them between God the Son and the Father, the word redemption lytrōsis:

1. a ransoming, redemption
2. deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin

Now are you denying this ? Do you deny He has obtained by His blood deliverance from the penalty of their sins ?