Anja
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So you are insinuating I'm calling Jesus a Lier? Wow,,, Just to prove your incorrect point. I call that "Gaslighting."
Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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101G
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To all,
JESUS is the ONE and only TRUE God who made all things in the BEGINNING. Genesis 1:1 says it all in the term "GOD".
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
the [plural of H433]? so who is H433? let's see,
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Definition #2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator please NOTE, "THE", "THE", "THE" Creator, the definite article is used. identifying "ONE" person... good, but what about, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. in the first definition?
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. is the [plural of H433] "of" is the key to understanding God plurality.
of: expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. let's get the understanding of expressing this relationship between a part and a whole. using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words of means, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction. lets see this distinction in part and a whole in two clear cut scripture. #1. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" there is our answer, the "FORM" ...... "OF" ... God. form "of", "of", "of" God is,
Form: G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832
Definition #2. perhaps from the base of G3313 so what is G3313? answer,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
BINGO, there is our relationship between a part and a whole in the word a portion. and the term a portion identify the plurality of God H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. for "a portion" is synonyms with "SHARE,", this can be found at Word Hippo, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html under " A part of a whole". again SHARE.
There is the research to understand God's plurality.
this relationship between a part and a whole that is expressed in First and Last, and in ROOT and Offspring, and here is the scriptural support, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
there it is "Offspring", it means,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
there is our answer, diversity, just as God gave it to 101G.
God is a "diversity" of, of, of, himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
this is why 101G is a Diversified Oneness
101G.
JESUS is the ONE and only TRUE God who made all things in the BEGINNING. Genesis 1:1 says it all in the term "GOD".
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397
the [plural of H433]? so who is H433? let's see,
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.
3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Definition #2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator please NOTE, "THE", "THE", "THE" Creator, the definite article is used. identifying "ONE" person... good, but what about, H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. in the first definition?
H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m. is the [plural of H433] "of" is the key to understanding God plurality.
of: expressing the relationship between a part and a whole. let's get the understanding of expressing this relationship between a part and a whole. using the Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words of means, "of" translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction. lets see this distinction in part and a whole in two clear cut scripture. #1. Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" there is our answer, the "FORM" ...... "OF" ... God. form "of", "of", "of" God is,
Form: G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313
See also: G3445, G3446, G4832
Definition #2. perhaps from the base of G3313 so what is G3313? answer,
G3313 μέρος meros (me'-ros) n.
1. a portion (i.e. an amount allotted, a part of something).
2. a part.
BINGO, there is our relationship between a part and a whole in the word a portion. and the term a portion identify the plurality of God H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m. for "a portion" is synonyms with "SHARE,", this can be found at Word Hippo, https://www.wordhippo.com/what-is/another-word-for/portion.html under " A part of a whole". again SHARE.
There is the research to understand God's plurality.
this relationship between a part and a whole that is expressed in First and Last, and in ROOT and Offspring, and here is the scriptural support, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
there it is "Offspring", it means,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096
there is our answer, diversity, just as God gave it to 101G.
God is a "diversity" of, of, of, himself in TIME, PLACE, ORDER, and RANK.
this is why 101G is a Diversified Oneness
101G.
FreeInChrist
Active Member
I choose to believe what I read.
And what I believe isBoth God and Jesus are integral to the act of creation, with God as the ultimate source and Jesus as the means through which creation occurred.
You quote John 1:3 and yes... this is the Son.
Think of it this way.
God (the Father) Jesus (Son)
Creator of all things. Creator through whom all things were made
Genesis 1:1 John 1:3
Eternal, not created Eternal , Divine Son of God ... the 2nd in the Godhead.
Got Questions simplifies this answer to the question...Is Jesus the creator?
Answer: Genesis 1:1 says that “God created the heavens and the earth.” Then, Colossians 1:16 gives the added detail that God created “all things” through Jesus Christ. The plain teaching of Scripture, therefore, is that Jesus is the Creator of the universe.
Does this answer your question?
101G
Active Member
nope, for the CREATOR was alone.... Isaiah 44:24 "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"
ALONE please look it up.
101G
Peterlag
Active Member
Behold the Deception of a Trinity mind...
I just saw a post where Matthew 16:16 is quoted where Peter tells us exactly who Jesus was.
Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (Messiah) the Son of the living God.
A Trinity guy wrote...
"When Peter exclaimed that he knew Jesus was the Son of the living God, he was speaking from a Jewish mindset."
I might add Peter did not have a Jewish mindset. He had an Apostle of Jesus Christ mindset. Now let's look at the deception.
1.) Trinity guy says Peter was speaking from his Jewish mindset.
2.) Jesus said Peter spoke from what God revealed to him.
I just saw a post where Matthew 16:16 is quoted where Peter tells us exactly who Jesus was.
Matthew 16:16
And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ (Messiah) the Son of the living God.
A Trinity guy wrote...
"When Peter exclaimed that he knew Jesus was the Son of the living God, he was speaking from a Jewish mindset."
I might add Peter did not have a Jewish mindset. He had an Apostle of Jesus Christ mindset. Now let's look at the deception.
1.) Trinity guy says Peter was speaking from his Jewish mindset.
2.) Jesus said Peter spoke from what God revealed to him.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
So you prefer Isa 44:24 over Colossians 1:16?
You can't just simply say something that openly contradicts something else without context to explain the difference. You do this all the time.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
Behold the mind of a Unitarian.
I wouldn't say that at about what Peter said at all. You're deceiving!
Christ is both Son and God. He is also Messiah.
Just because you're devoid of the ability to pat your head and rub your stomach at the same time does equal anything relative to reality.
Peterlag
Active Member
I did not make it up. The deception was taken right off the Trinity Facebook group site just hours ago.
praise_yeshua
Active Member
Wow... a Facebook group site that is authoritative. Geesh. You really are an "authority" yourself.
This is why you quote sources instead of just posting as your own. It is one of the reasons I use my own content. Your inexperience is showing.
Just FYI. A public or private facebook group isn't authoritative. They can do what you're doing. You just make things up and use sources that just "make things up".
civic
Active Member
Peterlag
Active Member
That's what I think of you. Just make up stuff that is not in the Bible like the following that I also did not write...
Terms found nowhere in Scripture...
- Deity
- Co-equal
- Co-eternal
- Incarnated
- Eternal son
- Infinite son
- God the son
- One substance
- Persons of God
- God became man
- Eternally begotten
- Pre-existent Christ
- God the Holy Spirit
- Pre-incarnate Christ
- Three persons, three in one
- Trinity, Triune God, tri-unity
- Two nature's, Hypostatic union
