FreeInChrist
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Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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Peterlag
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Do you have a verse that says...
Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.
Or one that says...
Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.
P.S. Don't forget all my other posts that I posted on different sites.
Peterlag
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Is there a verse that says Son of God is the name of the second person of the trinity?
praise_yeshua
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Not my verses. I have been trying to appeal to your senses since you first came here. You're dismissing everything I've said to you as if it means nothing and demanding I do it all over again.
Yeah. You definitely want it exactly like you want it. Who in the world knows exactly how to please you? I'm not here to meet your requirement. You don't need me. Have it your way.
Again. Has God appeared to you to say "I AM God?"
praise_yeshua
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Isn't that wonderful. A God alone......
dwight92070
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Peterlag and Runningham are afraid to answer that question.
They also are afraid to answer this question:
There is God.
then their are created beings
(Angels)
(Humans)
which one is jesus
It's amazing how easily and quickly his whole theology crumbles.
101G
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Thanks for the yes, or no answer, but ERROR on your answer. only one person and one person was alone in the BEGINNING.
Jeremiah 51:15 "He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding."
Job 38:1 "Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said," Job 38:2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" Job 38:2 "Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?" Job 38:3 "Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me." Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding."
HOW MANY PERSONS IS "He" AND "I?", now try again.....
well at least you had guts enough to ANSWER.
101G.
FreeInChrist
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Explanation as it is later..... for me. For discussion . NO!
When used for God, Adonai is a proper name for God that is similar in meaning to YHVH. It carries the idea of king, father, and master. In the following passage, the word Adonai is translated as “Lord,” and Elohim is translated as “God.”
Yes and no. Yes, they both refer to God. And yes, the Bible translators translate the Hebrew word YHVH as both “LORD” and “God.”
However, there’s a difference between a name and a title. And there’s a difference between a generic name and a name with specific meaning for one Person only!
Several words are translated as “God” and “Lord.” Often, you will find “Lord” and “God” together – “Lord God” or “the LORD your God” – as in Deuteronomy 10:17
Adonai is usually translated as “Lord.” It can be used for a person or for God; thus, it’s more a title of respect. It doesn’t always mean God.
For instance, in Genesis 24, we read the story of Abraham and his “servant,” the oldest in his household and in charge of everything Abraham owned. The servant was essentially Abraham’s second-in-command or his chief of staff. Yet, he respectfully called Abraham “Adonai” or master. But, later in the story, when Rebekah meets the servant at the well, she calls the servant “Adonai” out of respect for his age and apparent position. She did not know who he was, but he showed up with ten camels, indicating he was a man of some importance.
In the same way, the New Testament word for “Lord” is Kurios, a title of respect similar to Adonai. It can be used for a person or for God.
Jesus reminded folks that if they called Him “Lord,” they needed to truly recognize Him as their Lord and Master by doing God’s will. They need to not only hear Jesus’ words but act on them.
Conclusion
After His resurrection, when people called Jesus “Lord,” it meant infinitely more than a title of respect. It meant they recognized Jesus was divine – He was their God and Master. For instance, when Thomas first saw the resurrected Jesus, he cried out, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)
When God poured out the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Peter boldly proclaimed:
For the Scripture says, ‘Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.’
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
For ‘Everyone who called on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:9-13)
What is Lord?
As previously mentioned, the Hebrew word YHVH is sometimes translated as “Lord,” especially when paired with Elohim. For instance, in the following passage, “LORD” is YHVH and “God” is Elohim:- “Then Asa cried out to the LORD his God: ‘O LORD, there is no one besides You to help the powerless against the mighty. Help us, O LORD our God, for we rely on You, and in Your name we have come against this multitude. O LORD, You are our God. Do not let a mere mortal prevail against You.’” (2 Chronicles 14:11)
When used for God, Adonai is a proper name for God that is similar in meaning to YHVH. It carries the idea of king, father, and master. In the following passage, the word Adonai is translated as “Lord,” and Elohim is translated as “God.”
- “Lord, hear! Lord, forgive! Lord, listen and take action! For Your own sake, my God, do not delay, because Your city and Your people are called by Your name.” (Daniel 9:19)
- “Now may the Lord of peace Himself continually grant you peace in every circumstance. The Lord be with you all!” (2 Thessalonians 3:16)
Is Lord another word for God?
Yes and no. Yes, they both refer to God. And yes, the Bible translators translate the Hebrew word YHVH as both “LORD” and “God.”However, there’s a difference between a name and a title. And there’s a difference between a generic name and a name with specific meaning for one Person only!
Several words are translated as “God” and “Lord.” Often, you will find “Lord” and “God” together – “Lord God” or “the LORD your God” – as in Deuteronomy 10:17
- “For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God, who does not show partiality, nor take a bribe.”
Adonai is usually translated as “Lord.” It can be used for a person or for God; thus, it’s more a title of respect. It doesn’t always mean God.
For instance, in Genesis 24, we read the story of Abraham and his “servant,” the oldest in his household and in charge of everything Abraham owned. The servant was essentially Abraham’s second-in-command or his chief of staff. Yet, he respectfully called Abraham “Adonai” or master. But, later in the story, when Rebekah meets the servant at the well, she calls the servant “Adonai” out of respect for his age and apparent position. She did not know who he was, but he showed up with ten camels, indicating he was a man of some importance.
In the same way, the New Testament word for “Lord” is Kurios, a title of respect similar to Adonai. It can be used for a person or for God.
Is Jesus Lord or God?
He is both!! The New Testament uses Theos over 1,000 times when speaking of Jesus. This Greek word Theos carries the meaning of the Supreme God, the Creator, Owner, and Sustainer of the universe. For instance:- “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theos), and the Word was God (Theos.) He was in the beginning with God (Theos). (John 1:1-2)
- “Behold, the virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him ‘Immanuel’ (which means, ‘God [Theos] with us’).” (Matthew 1:23)
Jesus reminded folks that if they called Him “Lord,” they needed to truly recognize Him as their Lord and Master by doing God’s will. They need to not only hear Jesus’ words but act on them.
- “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’” (Matthew 7:21-23)
Conclusion
After His resurrection, when people called Jesus “Lord,” it meant infinitely more than a title of respect. It meant they recognized Jesus was divine – He was their God and Master. For instance, when Thomas first saw the resurrected Jesus, he cried out, “My Lord and my God!” (John 20:28)
When God poured out the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost, Peter boldly proclaimed:
- “Let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah” (Acts 2:36).
- “If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
For the Scripture says, ‘Whoever believes in Him will not be put to shame.’
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
For ‘Everyone who called on the name of the Lord will be saved.” (Romans 10:9-13)
praise_yeshua
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People need to understand that Adam and Eve were created. Saying any human being is created isn't exacting.
You're actually looking for the principle of Intrinsic vs extrinsic. You will never get a Unitarian to even consider such. They'd rather point at a ceiling fan and yell "airplane"....
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101G
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YES, BECAUSE HE, HE, IS BY HIMSELF. Isaiah 44:8 "Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any."
ir this not wonderful, only ONE God who is ONE PERSON.
101G.
praise_yeshua
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How many persons is Lord is what you're looking for. Do you see the difference?
praise_yeshua
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101G
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Psalms 110:1 "A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool."
is not the LORD, (all Caps), the same one person who is my "Lord". now, remember what you said, " the Hebrew word YHVH is sometimes translated as “Lord,” especially when paired with Elohim".
101G
praise_yeshua
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Just curious. Does God have one or two arms? @101G
101G
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101G
101G can careless if Satan is alone or not... but God is ALONE, and BY HIMSELF, when he made ... "ALL THINGS" in the beginning. .... (smile).
101G
101G
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no need to be curious.... KNOW, TWO ... now get this (PHYICIALLY), and in symbolism ONE Spiritually of his POWER.
next question.
101G.
civic
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is a husband and wife 2 ?
is a sister and brother 2 ?
is a Father and Son 2 ?
Is a mother and daughter 2 ?
are identical twins 2 ?
tick tok tick tok tick tok ................
praise_yeshua
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Christ is physical, right?
praise_yeshua
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Which we agree is proof of Christ's Divinity. Is Christ alone?
FreeInChrist
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I and the Father are one. (John 10:30)
“Let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah” (Acts 2:36).
101G. I dont know and I dont care.
You are a master riddler, and it is all nonsensical
