Open Debate on the "Eternal Sonship vs Incarnate Sonship which is biblical?"
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101G
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Peterlag
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Can I use this...
https://walking-by-the-spirit.com
FreeInChrist
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Fine by me. I am not the one who would be plagerizing anything
Peterlag
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If the Jews did know Jesus was God. Image if you will that you are going to kill God. Just stop your mind for a few seconds and honestly think about that. Does it cross your mind that you just might be picking a fight with someone that is bigger than what you could handle? You were dead if you walked in the wrong room in the Temple or if you accidentally bumped into the Ark of the Covenant. The Jews would not have considered Jesus a threat, but insane if he had walked around saying he was God.
Peterlag
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I gave them back to you because you said these are the verses that tell us why God would come to the Earth as a man. So what verse says that?
I will number them to make it easy for you.
1.) John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified
2.) John 12:24 Verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
3.) John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
Peterlag
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How is this plagerizing?
https://walking-by-the-spirit.com
praise_yeshua
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So you're playing games? I don't need your numbers.
Did you read the verses? All of them. That is why I posted all of them. I didn't break them apart. You want to break them apart. I didn't.
FreeInChrist
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Are you going to use it in your creed? I
101G
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Greeting, consider this.
is not the Lord Jesus the "ARM" of God? if yes is this not God?
and as to the "KILLING" ... what was killed... Body or spirit/soul? which one?
101G.
praise_yeshua
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You do dumb things yourself. Most saw him as solely Messiah ben David.
Again. You have no idea what you're talking about. Just showing more of your ignorance while claiming otherwise. A legend in your own mind.
Peterlag
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None of the following verses tell us why God would come to the Earth as a man. And that's not playing games. It's just being able to read. In fact, the following verses don't even mention God which a second grad child would know.
1.) John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified
2.) John 12:24 Verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.
3.) John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.
praise_yeshua
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It was a competing narrative for who Messiah was in their interpretation of the Scriptures. Not two distinct Persons.
Peterlag
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If there is a trinity then why not just come out and say it? Why do we have to jump all over the Bible cutting and pasting pieces of words that are scattered all over the Bible? Why not just teach it? I know enough about how the Bible is written in the New Testament and in the Gospels to know if there was a trinity it would have been taught. The Gospels would have clearly said...
Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.
The Epistles would have writings like...
Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.
And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.
Verily, verily I say unto you that I am Jesus and I'm also God.
The Epistles would have writings like...
Yay, I Paul do testify that Jesus who is God came down from heaven to be a man for us. And we do know and testify that this same Jesus who you crucified is God. And so let us bow our knee to the one and only true God-Man Jesus Christ.
And yet there's nothing like that anywhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. Not even one complete verse like that.
praise_yeshua
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Your child definitely wouldn't understand. You don't. Why would they? Hopefully they ignore you. Have they ignored you?
The word God isn't in the verses. God is known by other names right? Your insistence that God be in the verses is rather comical.
praise_yeshua
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Not alone. Together.
dwight92070
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Fantastic question. Obviously Jesus is not a created being as Revelation 5:11-14 proves. Because EVERY CREATED THING which is in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them WORSHIPED Him who sits and the throne, AND THE LAMB. Obviously Jesus is not included in created things - rather He is the ONE BEING WORSHIPED, ALONG WITH THE FATHER.
praise_yeshua
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It does. However, you're blinded. You can't see properly. Also words don't actually mean much of anything to you.
Just FYI. God didn't owe your what you expect from Him. This world knew God, they rejected Him. He gave them over to be reprobate. We actually know less than our previous fathers passed on to us.
It is silly of you to require God to speak to you exactly how you demand it.
Given your atheist attitude, why not ask Him to appear right in front of you and prove Himself. See what happens.
Eternally-Grateful
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Matt 4: 10 Then Jesus said to him“Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”
The mere fact Jesus allowed himself to be worshiped. when every angel who ever came to man and men bowed down demanded they not worship them at all..
I think it about seals it..
