'O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God!'

@dizerner said in reply#6
... 'So what does this mean? It means there is still hope for the Jews to get saved one day, and come to know their Messiah. Even now the modern day Israel is lost in the delusion of thinking they are in covenant with God when their nation is full of secularism and religious superstition. People that still think Israel is God's chosen nation better hope it's not, because then all the curses would come upon them and they'd be driven like leaves in the wind—but rather they are propitiated under general preceding grace for the lost.
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I would say being chosen and covenant relationship are two different things. We have to ask, "chosen for what?" Israel's calling was to prepare the way of the Messiah and be a light to the world. They have, in the majority, failed their calling. Now the questions Paul asks are, basically, what is their place in God's economy after they failed. He points out that they were still a vehicle of the OT and all it's spiritual symbolism and a fulfilment of the Messiah, and the idea of "spiritual" Israel. So what does being "chosen" by God mean for Israel? It doesn't mean they are all saved. It doesn't mean they are automatically spared from God's judgments. It doesn't mean that no matter what they do, God will back them and supernaturally protect them. People generally turn to "the gifts and calling are irrevocable" or "all Israel will be saved" or certain powerful sounding promises the in OT (while ignoring the judgment promises of course), ones like Jeremiah 33:20 and following. Now certainly Israel is in a "not my people" stage, but is this stage going to back to the old covenant promises and relationship? We need to seriously take a look at some judgment passages, and what they mean:​

Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. (Matt. 21:43 NKJ)
"See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, `Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!'" (Matt. 23:38-39 NKJ)
In response Jesus said to it, "Let no one eat fruit from you ever again." And His disciples heard it. (Mk. 11:14 NKJ)
There is a finality to these judgment passages, and a definite sense of transference.​
Now meditate also on this passage:​
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,
15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,
16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.
17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.
18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. (Eph. 2:14-18 NKJ)

Now what people want to do, and it is a temptation for all of us, is have "the people of God" split in some weird say into two groups, one is the "ethnic" people of God and the other is the "spiritual" people of God. But since when does the Bible tell us the people of God are so divided into the natural and spiritual in these strange groupings? No, everywhere the Scriptures tell us there is one people of God, it says very clearly that he made the two into "one," not into "two" again.​
Remember that this very idea of "Israel is a special people of God no matter what" is roundly condemned in Scripture:​
Do not trust in these lying words, saying,`The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.' (Jer. 7:4 NKJ)
They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. (Jn. 8:39 NKJ)
So the question can be asked, does Israel's past status as an elect nation still bring them any benefits whatsoever? And I think we can answer a resounding "Yes!"​
1. They have a rich history of being used by God that is still a testimony and witness to them and the world.​
2. They have extended mercies to them brought by the prayers and promises of the patriarchs they come from.​
3. They have a targeted command for intercession for the Gentiles from whom came all their spiritual riches.​
But what they don't have is some unilateral promise that they are holy people of God that will always be protected no matter how they act. And when Christians start to preach and act this way, they confuse the church and the world at large about what it even means to be a people of God, as if you don't have to do anything in response or live a certain way to fulfil God's covenant, you just get unilateral unconditional favor much like Calvinism would preach.​

'For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

The LORD did not set His love upon you, nor choose you,
because ye were more in number than any people;
for ye were the fewest of all people:
But because the LORD loved you,
and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers
,
hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand,
and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen,
from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. '

( Deut. 7:6-8 )

Hello @dizerner,

I realise that what I have to say, will not be new to you, but please bear with me. :)

The Lord's motivation in choosing the People of Israel was LOVE, and also THE KEEPING OF THE OATH which He had sworn unto their Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The word 'chosen' is emphasised by a Hebrew accent (paseh), 'Thee hath Jehovah chosen'.' and is the basis of all else stated in the verses above. Israel, as God's People, are His treasure. His love is love in it's highest sense, love that delights in it's object, and joins the one who loves, to what is loved. That love is abiding, and has caused God much grief during their history, for His love for the most part has not been reciprocated. Yet this present interval will not diminish it's strength, for He is faithful.

Israel is still in a state of blindness at present, but one day they will see, and they will perform the task that God has allotted them, they will be a holy nation, and Priests unto God among the nations (Ex. 19:6). They are God's inheritance upon the earth (Deut.32:9), as the Body of Christ is in the heavenlies (Eph. 1:18). It will all come to pass, in God's time, and according to His will.

This is short and does not address all that you have brought forward for consideration, but it is the limit of what I am capable of tackling at present. When I have time I would like to consider the distinctions you have made between God's choosing of Israel, and His covenant relationship with them, but now is not the time.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
... 'So what does this mean? It means there is still hope for the Jews to get saved one day, and come to know their Messiah. Even now the modern day Israel is lost in the delusion of thinking they are in covenant with God when their nation is full of secularism and religious superstition. People that still think Israel is God's chosen nation better hope it's not, because then all the curses would come upon them and they'd be driven like leaves in the wind—but rather they are propitiated under general preceding grace for the lost.
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'For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

The LORD did not set His love upon you, nor choose you,
because ye were more in number than any people;
for ye were the fewest of all people:
But because the LORD loved you,
and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers
,
hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand,
and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen,
from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. '

( Deut. 7:6-8 )

Hello @dizerner,

I realise that what I have to say, will not be new to you, but please bear with me. :)

The Lord's motivation in choosing the People of Israel was LOVE, and also THE KEEPING OF THE OATH which He had sworn unto their Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The word 'chosen' is emphasised by a Hebrew accent (paseh), 'Thee hath Jehovah chosen'.' and is the basis of all else stated in the verses above. Israel, as God's People, are His treasure. His love is love in it's highest sense, love that delights in it's object, and joins the one who loves, to what is loved. That love is abiding, and has caused God much grief during their history, for His love for the most part has not been reciprocated. Yet this present interval will not diminish it's strength, for He is faithful.

Israel is still in a state of blindness at present, but one day they will see, and they will perform the task that God has allotted them, they will be a holy nation, and Priests unto God among the nations (Ex. 19:6). They are God's inheritance upon the earth (Deut.32:9), as the Body of Christ is in the heavenlies (Eph. 1:18). It will all come to pass, in God's time, and according to His will.

This is short and does not address all that you have brought forward for consideration, but it is the limit of what I am capable of tackling at present. When I have time I would like to consider the distinctions you have made between God's choosing of Israel, and His covenant relationship with them, but now is not the time.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
It was also a covenant God made with them that has no end. It was a promise God would keep with Israel. There is nowhere in Scripture where God ends that promise/covenant with them. Romans 9-11 tell us Gods future plans for them still exist in this temporary " parenthesis " during the times of the gentiles.
 
Like I've said-haven't sleep properly for three days-regular power outs-and a lot to think about.
Ask @Grace ambassador to read the post and answer your question brother-I am still learning.
'Trust in the LORD with all thine heart;
and lean not unto thine own understanding.
In all thy ways acknowledge Him,
and He shall direct thy paths.'

(Pro 3:5-6)

Take care, @Johann.

'I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep:
for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.'

(Psa 4:8)

Within the love of Christ our Saviour,
our Lord and Head.
Chris
 
It was also a covenant God made with them that has no end. It was a promise God would keep with Israel. There is nowhere in Scripture where God ends that promise/covenant with them. Romans 9-11 tell us Gods future plans for them still exist in this temporary " parenthesis " during the times of the gentiles.
Hello @civic,

That quote that you have responded to was from reply#6 =, which was one of @dizerner's posts, which I wanted him to address. I agree with your addition here.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
It was also a covenant God made with them that has no end. It was a promise God would keep with Israel. There is nowhere in Scripture where God ends that promise/covenant with them. Romans 9-11 tell us Gods future plans for them still exist in this temporary " parenthesis " during the times of the gentiles.

In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8:13 NKJ)
 
In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8:13 NKJ)
Thats the law- not Israel- You are conflating the two.

I'm really surprised you would even go there trying to apply that to Israel. That is what replacement theology does.
 
His love is love in it's highest sense, love that delights in it's object, and joins the one who loves, to what is loved.

I have two questions for you here.

#1 Do you think God loved the people who were not Jews in the OT?

#2 Do you subscribe to any kind of Calvinistic soteriology?

Thanks.
 
Thats the law- not Israel- You are conflating the two.

I'm conflating the Law and Israel? That makes no sense to me.

Do you think the first Covenant was not the promises to Israel which included the Law?

Do you think the Law is somehow different than the Covenant?

What promises do you think Israel still has that are not in the first Covenant?
 
I'm conflating the Law and Israel? That makes no sense to me.

Do you think the first Covenant was not the promises to Israel which included the Law?

Do you think the Law is somehow different than the Covenant?

What promises do you think Israel still has that are not in the first Covenant?
Israel was the people of God before the law. The Jews existed before the law as the people of God. The promises God made to them existed before the law and after the law. The law is obsolete, not the people of God which includes Israel/ Jews. They are not the church.

Remember Abraham ?
 
Israel was the people of God before the law. The Jews existed before the law as the people of God. The promises God made to them existed before the law and after the law. The law is obsolete, not the people of God which includes Israel/ Jews. They are not the church.

Well, Israel was "engaged" to God, but it was not "married" until Mt. Sinai.

What promises do you think they have unrelated to the Torah?
 
In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete.
Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. (Heb. 8:13 NKJ)
But while the covenant of the
law was abolished, the law itself
will, of course, remain forever.

God has graciously removed the
“IF” but this does not alter the
fact that His people in every age
should seek to obey His voice indeed. Also, the dispensation of
the law—the ordinances, statutes
and all that—has passed away, but
the principle remains.


“For what the law could not do,
in that it was weak through the
flesh, God sending His own Son in
the likeness of sinful flesh and for
sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
“That the righteousness of the
law might be fulfilled in us, who
walk not after the flesh, but after
the Spirit” (Rom. 8:3,4).

THE LAW AND THE
NEW COVENANT
Those who suppose that at
Pentecost the twelve should have
known that the law was done away
sometimes think this because the
New Covenant was made at Calvary. But the making of a covenant is not the fulfillment of it.

It is too often forgotten that God
merely promised to make a new
covenant in Jeremiah 31:31, and
that the covenant was not made
until Calvary. It will not be fulfilled
until all Israel is saved and they
all know the Lord, from the least
of them to the greatest of them.

The New Covenant, while
displacing the covenant of the law
does not displace the law itself.

Indeed, by it, God’s people will
spontaneously fulfil the law. This
could not be stated more clearly
than it is in Jeremiah 31:33:
“But this shall be the covenant
that I will make with the house of
Israel; After those days, saith the
Lord, I will put my law in their
inward parts, and write it in their
hearts; and will be their God, and

they shall be my people.”

MOSES, CHRIST
AND THE LAW
As the Old Covenant was made
with Israel alone, yet affects the
whole world (Rom. 3:19)
, so the
New Covenant, while made “with
the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah,” affects the whole
world too, for by “the blood of the
New Covenant” the condemnation
of the Old was removed.

Moses was the mediator of the
Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19); Christ
was the Mediator of the New (Heb.
9:15).


Moses demanded righteousness, but he could neither give the
ability to obey the law nor undo
the effects of a broken law. But
Christ as the Mediator of the New
Covenant, paid the debt of a broken law, offers His own perfect
righteousness and by His Spirit
enables the believer to live pleasing to God.

My 2 cents brother.
 
But while the covenant of the
law was abolished, the law itself
will, of course, remain forever.

God has graciously removed the
“IF” but this does not alter the
fact that His people in every age
should seek to obey His voice indeed. Also, the dispensation of
the law—the ordinances, statutes
and all that—has passed away, but
the principle remains.


“For what the law could not do,
in that it was weak through the
flesh, God sending His own Son in
the likeness of sinful flesh and for
sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
“That the righteousness of the
law might be fulfilled in us, who
walk not after the flesh, but after
the Spirit” (Rom. 8:3,4).

THE LAW AND THE
NEW COVENANT
Those who suppose that at
Pentecost the twelve should have
known that the law was done away
sometimes think this because the
New Covenant was made at Calvary. But the making of a covenant is not the fulfillment of it.

It is too often forgotten that God
merely promised to make a new
covenant in Jeremiah 31:31, and
that the covenant was not made
until Calvary. It will not be fulfilled
until all Israel is saved and they
all know the Lord, from the least
of them to the greatest of them.

The New Covenant, while
displacing the covenant of the law
does not displace the law itself.

Indeed, by it, God’s people will
spontaneously fulfil the law. This
could not be stated more clearly
than it is in Jeremiah 31:33:
“But this shall be the covenant
that I will make with the house of
Israel; After those days, saith the
Lord, I will put my law in their
inward parts, and write it in their
hearts; and will be their God, and

they shall be my people.”

MOSES, CHRIST
AND THE LAW
As the Old Covenant was made
with Israel alone, yet affects the
whole world (Rom. 3:19)
, so the
New Covenant, while made “with
the house of Israel and with the
house of Judah,” affects the whole
world too, for by “the blood of the
New Covenant” the condemnation
of the Old was removed.

Moses was the mediator of the
Old Covenant (Gal. 3:19); Christ
was the Mediator of the New (Heb.
9:15).


Moses demanded righteousness, but he could neither give the
ability to obey the law nor undo
the effects of a broken law. But
Christ as the Mediator of the New
Covenant, paid the debt of a broken law, offers His own perfect
righteousness and by His Spirit
enables the believer to live pleasing to God.

My 2 cents brother.
Priceless not 2 cents. Replacement theology is really anti semiticism.
 
Amen. I have heard some people in the past online say that the body of Christ and the church are not one in the same people. That is false.

1 Corinthians 12
Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 13 For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. 14 Even so the body is not made up of one part but of many.

15 Now if the foot should say, “Because I am not a hand, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 16 And if the ear should say, “Because I am not an eye, I do not belong to the body,” it would not for that reason stop being part of the body. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body.

21 The eye cannot say to the hand, “I don’t need you!” And the head cannot say to the feet, “I don’t need you!” 22 On the contrary, those parts of the body that seem to be weaker are indispensable, 23 and the parts that we think are less honorable we treat with special honor. And the parts that are unpresentable are treated with special modesty, 24 while our presentable parts need no special treatment. But God has put the body together, giving greater honor to the parts that lacked it, 25 so that there should be no division in the body, but that its parts should have equal concern for each other. 26 If one part suffers, every part suffers with it; if one part is honored, every part rejoices with it.

27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

Ephesians 5
Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.

22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church30 for we are members of his body. 31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

hope this helps !!!
Hello @civic,

The Church which is the Body of Christ is not the subject of Paul's epistle to the Corinthians, for it was not revealed to Paul until his imprisonment at Rome as The Lord's Prisoner and made known by him in the epistles written from there (Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus and Philemon).

The use of the human body in the instance you have quoted is as an illustration of the distribution of spiritual gifts among the church members in Corinth.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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The logic here is absurd, we hate Israel because we think they are on a level playing field with the world now?

I encourage you to think about these two sermons on the modern state of Israel:

The Modern State of Israel, Part 1 by Steve Gregg

The Modern State of Israel, Part 2
Is Israel ‘Cast Away’ or Not?

Romans 11:1-2 “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew…”

Now consider how the seemingly conflicting ideas here in Romans 11 give rise to the questions as to whether Israel is “cast away” or not “cast away,” and is Israel “fallen” or not. These seeming contradiction of very beginning of the Romans 11 cause most people to stop trying to understand it before they’ve even begun to study.

Now we will look into the Romans 11 verses that most people find troublesome and share other Bible verses that shed light on these seeming ‘problematic’ verses. Romans 11:15 typically confuses most Bible readers.

“For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world (mankind), what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?” (Romans 11:15)

It is obviously clear in Rom. 11:15a that Israel has in fact been “cast away,” and yet from Rom. 11:15b Israel will be ‘received again; as coming to “life from the dead.” (see also Rom: 11:26, Zech. 12:10).

The above Scriptures present seemingly contrasting ideas. Verses 1-2 say God has “not cast away His people (Israel)”, while verse 15 says God has cast away His people Israel.

So, the question is, has Israel been cast away or not, and if so, How?


Again consider, Romans 11:1-2: “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid [May God never let that happen!]. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people…”

The expression “God hath not cast away His people (Israel)” (above) has a twofold meaning.

When Paul wrote the book of Romans (around the time of Acts 20), Jesus’ “little flock” remnant (v5) of believing Messianic Jews were still living. Jesus’ “little flock” (Luke 12:32) of Messianic believers were led by the Twelve Apostles. They are what Paul calls “the Israel of God” in Gal. 6:16. So, during the Acts period, there were these believing Jews who had come out of the Apostate National Israel by being water baptized with John’s “baptism of repentance.”
Also, during today’s grace age, Paul’s “the Church, the Body of Christ,” includes ‘grace believing Jews’; whereby they are one with the believing Gentiles, on an absolutely equal basis, without regard to race as equal members of “the church, the body of Christ.”
“There is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentiles), there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28 (KJV)


All the believing Jews of Paul’s day, whether of Jesus’ “little flock” or as members of “the Church, the body of Christ” proves that God had not cut-off all contact with all Jews.

The believing Jews of the “little flock” still had access to God while alive during the Acts period, then dying out

The unbelieving Jews were still being offered fellowship with Him. But now, any Jews could only be saved by receiving and believing Paul’s Grace Gospel of faith in Jesus and His cross alone, in order to become a member of the joint “Body of Christ” that consist of Jews and Gentiles.

Paul here summarizes the basis of his gospel, then how to be saved, and he declares it is a gospel for ‘all mankind,’ without respect to racial distinction, state in life, or gender.


“Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose again the third day” (1 Cor. 15:3-4).

“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved” (Acts 16:31)

“There is neither Jew nor Greek (Gentile), there is neither bond nor free, … neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.” (Gal. 3:28)

Additionally, Israel’s “little flock” was the remnant group of Israel’s Messianic believers that God envisioned from the time of Abraham. God has not forever removed National Israel from his promised program for her. He has not permanently rejected Israel. He has only ‘set Israel aside for a time,’ the time of the Gentiles.

It’s clear that the Triune God will deal with and recover some of ‘fallen Israel’ in the future “ages to come” because Rom. 11:12 speaks of Israel’s “fulness” as opposed to her “diminishing.” Two-thirds of Israel will die in the 7-year Tribulation period. Romans 11:15 also discusses God’s “receiving of them (Israel)” as opposed to God “casting [her] away.”

Then in Romans 11:26 Paul declares that ultimately, “all Israel shall be saved,” meaning her ‘spiritual blindness’ of Romans11:25, which exist during today’s “dispensation of the Grace of God,” will end following today’s grace-age, which will end with the “fulness of the Gentiles” the adding of a final grace age believer … just before the Rapture of the body of Christ.

“…blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob (Israel):” (Romans 11:25b-26)
 
I have two questions for you here.

#1 Do you think God loved the people who were not Jews in the OT?

#2 Do you subscribe to any kind of Calvinistic soteriology?

Thanks.
Hi @dizerner,

The sole objective in the Old Testament was the preservation of the seed promised in Genesis 3:15, and the nation through whom that 'seed' should come, bringing redemption to mankind and to creation at large. So it doesn't tell us much about God's thoughts towards the nations which existed upon the earth during that time, except in relation to their interaction with the nation of Israel. Though we know from such verses as that found in the N.T. (e.g., John 3:16) that God did love the inhabitants of the world that He had created, and it was their redemption that He sought to achieve through the death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

I do not subscribe to any kind of Calvinistic soteriology as far as I am aware.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
The sole objective in the Old Testament was the preservation of the seed promised in Genesis 3:15

Thanks. I see in the OT a constant proclamation of God's love for non-Israelites.

In you ALL the nations of the earth will be blessed. A light for the NATIONS and the ENDS of the earth.

Let me ask you something.

Is a chosen vessel to bring a message or revelation to others more inherently special than those it is sent to?

That might clear some things up.

Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? (Rom. 3:29 NKJ)
 
Thanks. I see in the OT a constant proclamation of God's love for non-Israelites.

In you ALL the nations of the earth will be blessed. A light for the NATIONS and the ENDS of the earth.

Let me ask you something.

Is a chosen vessel to bring a message or revelation to others more inherently special than those it is sent to?

That might clear some things up.

Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? (Rom. 3:29 NKJ)
Yes-to the Goyim also-

No Gentiles at Pentecost.

Peter, on the day of Pentecost, addressed his words to ‘Ye men of Judaea’, ‘Ye men of Israel’, ‘All the house of Israel’ (cf. Acts 2:14, 22, 36). The God in Whose name he spoke to the people was ‘The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers’ (Acts 3:13).

The Christ Peter preached was the One Who had been raised from the dead ‘to sit on David’s throne’ (Acts 2:30), and Who had been sent to Israel ‘first’ (3:26) and Who had been ‘exalted a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance unto Israel’ (5:31).

Peter still a Law-Keeping Jew in Acts 10.

It is manifestly impossible to believe by the testimony of the chief speaker himself that a single Gentile had been admitted to the Church inaugurated at Pentecost. We can say this because when Peter constrained by a vision from heaven to yield to the request of Cornelius, he meets the man with the words: ‘Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation’ (Acts 10:28).

Peter, therefore, knew nothing of a Church where Jew and Gentile were all one in Christ. Further, by his own confession he would have classed Cornelius with dogs and swine up to the time of the vision at Joppa.

‘But God hath showed me that I should not call any man common or unclean’ (cf. Acts 10:28 with 14).

Peter, therefore, knew nothing of the tradition that the ‘Church’ began at Pentecost. Peter’s attitude was not personal, it was the attitude of all believers at the time:

‘They of the circumcision which believed were astonished ... because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost’ (Acts 10:45). These words forbid the idea that a single Gentile received the baptism of the Spirit on the day of Pentecost.

The Church at Jerusalem were equally ignorant of this tradition:


‘When Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him, saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them’ (Acts 11:2-3).

Truly the Church of the One Body is certainly to find in these chapters.

Finally, the testimony of Acts 11:18-19 is conclusive. For the first time the Pentecostal Church at Jerusalem recognized the possibility of a Gentile being saved:

‘Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life’. (v18)


‘Now they [the Jews] which were scattered abroad upon the persecution that arose about Stephen ... preaching the word to none but unto the Jews Only’. (v19)

The Jew first in Romans.

Space will not allow us to traverse the whole field of the Acts and the epistles of the period; it will suffice, however, to discover the dispensational position of Jewish and Gentile believers in the last epistle (Romans) written by Paul to Gentiles before the crisis in Acts 28:

In Romans 1:16 the gospel is to the Jew first.
In Romans 2:9 judgment is to the Jew first.
In Romans 2:10 blessing is to the Jew first.
In Romans 3:1,2 advantage and profit are admitted as pertaining to the Jew, although on the basis of sin there is no difference (3:9).
So tenaciously did the Jewish Church hold to their privileged position, that the apostle had to ask the question:

‘Is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also of the Gentiles?’ (3:29).

In Romans 9:4-5 the advantages and privileges of the circumcision (Israel) are detailed, every item of which is exclusive to Israel according to the flesh (their birth).

The Wild Olive.

In Romans 11:17-25 the position of Gentile believers dispensationally is set forth under the figure of an olive tree. Israel is the olive (Jer. 11:16,17), but ‘some of the branches’ had been broken off. The Gentile believers who ‘stood by faith’ were ‘wild olive branches graffed in among them’. There was no such thing as perfect equality, however:

‘Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee’.

When we come to Paul’s post-Acts epistle to the Ephesians, we find a completely different state of affairs.

The middle wall abolished.

‘For He is our peace, Who hath made the both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition’ (Eph. 2:14).

It will be of service if we make clear to every reader what ‘the middle wall’ really is. There has been discovered at Jerusalem a slab of stone bearing an inscription, the translation of which is somewhat as follows:

“No one being a foreigner may enter within the enclosure around the holy place. Whoever is apprehended will himself be to blame for his death which will certainly follow.”

You should remember the violent attempt made by the Jews upon Paul, because they believed he had taken Trophimus, a Gentile, into the Court of Israel. (cf. Acts 21:27-28)


While that middle wall stood, the Jew was first. At the setting aside of Israel at Acts 28 the dispensational superiority of Israel as the favoured nation ceased.

In the risen and ascended Christ a new sphere was found, no longer in the flesh, but in the spirit and in the super-heavenlies. The Gentiles ‘in the flesh’ were ‘without hope’ (Eph. 2:11,12).

The Jews ‘in the flesh’ had the advantage (Rom. 9). By contrast, in the Post-Acts 28:28 Church of the “One Body” there is perfect equality (Eph. 3:6). In this new sphere all distinctions vanish, and One NEW MAN is created (Eph. 2:15).

The both one.


Notice the emphasis upon the unity here made:

‘He is our peace, Who hath made THE BOTH ONE. (Middle wall broken down). Jewish distinctive ordinances abolished). To create in Himself of THE TWAIN ONE new man, so making peace: And that He might reconcile THE BOTH unto God in ONE BODY (Enmity slain - Peace preached). Through Him we THE BOTH have access by one Spirit unto the Father’ (Eph. 2:14-18).

Instead of being excluded from an earthly temple the Gentile believer is himself built together as a holy temple in the Lord. Instead of the Jew having the prior elevated place access now is for the both by one Spirit unto the Father.


The Threefold Equality.

The apostle Paul sums up the new position in Ephesians 3:6-7. Here the most important word is that which is expressed in English by ‘Co’ or ‘Joint’. It occurs three times:

‘That the Gentiles should be -

(1) Joint heirs, and a

(2) Joint body, and

(3) Joint partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel, whereof 'Paul was made a minister’.

Here is the charter of equality for every member of the One "Body of Christ".

It is higher and deeper than the covenant of Abraham.

It goes beyond the inheritance either of the promised land, or the New Jerusalem.

It is essentially linked with a new creation, a new man, a Super-Heavenly sphere, and a purpose pre-dating "the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4).

This doctrine is a special revelation. It was a mystery hidden by God until the time came to make it known.

That time was after Acts 28:28, and during Paul’s imprisonment at Rome. It is found with all teaching essential to it in the four prison epistles, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians and 2 Timothy, and these epistles become the standard whereby the applicability of other Scriptures is tested.

For example, some Scriptures teach the observation of the Sabbath. Colossians 2:16 is the passage which decides this question for the member of “the One Body.” And so with all questions, regarding what we eat or drink, celebratory seasons, and days. These are done away in Christ. We are free from all external regulation and observances. We live by “the Spirit of life” and “the word of truth.”

Now we “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:” Colossians 2:16 (KJV)

Hope this is edifying to you brother.
 
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