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... 'So what does this mean? It means there is still hope for the Jews to get saved one day, and come to know their Messiah. Even now the modern day Israel is lost in the delusion of thinking they are in covenant with God when their nation is full of secularism and religious superstition. People that still think Israel is God's chosen nation better hope it's not, because then all the curses would come upon them and they'd be driven like leaves in the wind—but rather they are propitiated under general preceding grace for the lost.@dizerner said in reply#6
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I would say being chosen and covenant relationship are two different things. We have to ask, "chosen for what?" Israel's calling was to prepare the way of the Messiah and be a light to the world. They have, in the majority, failed their calling. Now the questions Paul asks are, basically, what is their place in God's economy after they failed. He points out that they were still a vehicle of the OT and all it's spiritual symbolism and a fulfilment of the Messiah, and the idea of "spiritual" Israel. So what does being "chosen" by God mean for Israel? It doesn't mean they are all saved. It doesn't mean they are automatically spared from God's judgments. It doesn't mean that no matter what they do, God will back them and supernaturally protect them. People generally turn to "the gifts and calling are irrevocable" or "all Israel will be saved" or certain powerful sounding promises the in OT (while ignoring the judgment promises of course), ones like Jeremiah 33:20 and following. Now certainly Israel is in a "not my people" stage, but is this stage going to back to the old covenant promises and relationship? We need to seriously take a look at some judgment passages, and what they mean:
Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. (Matt. 21:43 NKJ)"See! Your house is left to you desolate; for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, `Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!'" (Matt. 23:38-39 NKJ)In response Jesus said to it, "Let no one eat fruit from you ever again." And His disciples heard it. (Mk. 11:14 NKJ)There is a finality to these judgment passages, and a definite sense of transference.Now meditate also on this passage:14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation,15 having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace,16 and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity.17 And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near.18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father. (Eph. 2:14-18 NKJ)
Now what people want to do, and it is a temptation for all of us, is have "the people of God" split in some weird say into two groups, one is the "ethnic" people of God and the other is the "spiritual" people of God. But since when does the Bible tell us the people of God are so divided into the natural and spiritual in these strange groupings? No, everywhere the Scriptures tell us there is one people of God, it says very clearly that he made the two into "one," not into "two" again.Remember that this very idea of "Israel is a special people of God no matter what" is roundly condemned in Scripture:Do not trust in these lying words, saying,`The temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD, the temple of the LORD are these.' (Jer. 7:4 NKJ)They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father." Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham. (Jn. 8:39 NKJ)So the question can be asked, does Israel's past status as an elect nation still bring them any benefits whatsoever? And I think we can answer a resounding "Yes!"1. They have a rich history of being used by God that is still a testimony and witness to them and the world.2. They have extended mercies to them brought by the prayers and promises of the patriarchs they come from.3. They have a targeted command for intercession for the Gentiles from whom came all their spiritual riches.But what they don't have is some unilateral promise that they are holy people of God that will always be protected no matter how they act. And when Christians start to preach and act this way, they confuse the church and the world at large about what it even means to be a people of God, as if you don't have to do anything in response or live a certain way to fulfil God's covenant, you just get unilateral unconditional favor much like Calvinism would preach.
'For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God:
the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto Himself,
above all people that are upon the face of the earth.
The LORD did not set His love upon you, nor choose you,
because ye were more in number than any people;
for ye were the fewest of all people:
But because the LORD loved you,
and because He would keep the oath which He had sworn unto your fathers,
hath the LORD brought you out with a mighty hand,
and redeemed you out of the house of bondmen,
from the hand of Pharaoh king of Egypt. '
( Deut. 7:6-8 )
Hello @dizerner,
I realise that what I have to say, will not be new to you, but please bear with me.
The Lord's motivation in choosing the People of Israel was LOVE, and also THE KEEPING OF THE OATH which He had sworn unto their Fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The word 'chosen' is emphasised by a Hebrew accent (paseh), 'Thee hath Jehovah chosen'.' and is the basis of all else stated in the verses above. Israel, as God's People, are His treasure. His love is love in it's highest sense, love that delights in it's object, and joins the one who loves, to what is loved. That love is abiding, and has caused God much grief during their history, for His love for the most part has not been reciprocated. Yet this present interval will not diminish it's strength, for He is faithful.
Israel is still in a state of blindness at present, but one day they will see, and they will perform the task that God has allotted them, they will be a holy nation, and Priests unto God among the nations (Ex. 19:6). They are God's inheritance upon the earth (Deut.32:9), as the Body of Christ is in the heavenlies (Eph. 1:18). It will all come to pass, in God's time, and according to His will.
This is short and does not address all that you have brought forward for consideration, but it is the limit of what I am capable of tackling at present. When I have time I would like to consider the distinctions you have made between God's choosing of Israel, and His covenant relationship with them, but now is not the time.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris