No person can come to Christ by their own freewill !

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Job 38:7 (NIV) — 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

Surely you know mankind was not existing during the start of creation.
Of course mankind wasn't there - the physical universe was just being created !!! - but people were, the people that are called ALL the sons GOD... Mankind did not exist until sinful spirits were flung into the earth! Adam was the first sinful spirit to become a man, sown here by the breath of GOD.

I follow the text as written as you have scolded others to do but you are claiming the text says something not in the text against your own convictions, sigh.
 
Of course mankind wasn't there - the physical universe was just being created !!! - but people were, the people that are called ALL the sons GOD... Mankind did not exist until sinful spirits were flung into the earth! Adam was the first sinful spirit to become a man, sown here by the breath of GOD.

I follow the text as written as you have scolded others to do but you are claiming the text says something not in the text against your own convictions, sigh.
What?

People?

Non human people?

Job 38:7 (NIV) — 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?
 
Did you know for example that ANGELS is not in the Hebrew manuscript??? Angels is used by the the translators to fit their preconceptions about our creation to try to forestall anyone noticing what I see and going down the path they think is wrong, ie, this is an example of pure eisogetics.

Hey, be true to your convictions: if all means all then sons means sons also and all the sons means exactly that: every son of HIS whether elect, reprobate or innocent sang HIS praises when they saw HIS divinity and eternal power by witnessing the creation of the world.

You claim if is says all it must mean all - well it says all the sons of GOD and many here on earth are sons of GOD.
Yes I do i know.

The question is what were these sons?

There is no evidence they were all the future sons of God existing before the creation of the world.

Verse 7. When the morning stars sang together] This must refer to some intelligent beings who existed before the creation of the visible heavens and earth: and it is supposed that this and the following clause refer to the same beings; that by the sons of God, and the morning stars, the angelic host is meant; as they are supposed to be first, though perhaps not chief, in the order of creation.
For the latter clause the Chaldee has, “All the troops of angels.” Perhaps their creation may be included in the term heavens, Gen. 1:1: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” These witnessed the progress of the creation; and, when God had finished his work, celebrated his wisdom and power in the highest strains


Adam Clarke, The Holy Bible with a Commentary and Critical Notes (vol. 3, New Edition.; Bellingham, WA: Faithlife Corporation, 2014), 168.

7. When the morning-stars. There can be little doubt that angelic beings are intended here, though some have thought that the stars literally are referred to, and that they seemed to unite in a chorus of praise when another world was added to their number. The Vulgate renders it, astra matutina, morning-stars; the LXX. Ὅτε ἐγενήθηναι ἄστρα—when the stars were made; the Chaldee, “the stars of the zephyr,” or morning—כוכבי צפר. The comparison of a prince, a monarch, or an angel, with a star, is not uncommon; comp. Notes on Isa. 14:12. The expression “the morning-stars” is used on account of the beauty of the principal star which, at certain seasons of the year, leads on the morning. It is applied naturally to those angelic beings that are of distinguished glory and rank in heaven. That it refers to the angels, seems to be evident from the connection; and this interpretation is demanded in order to correspond with the phrase “sons of God” in the other member of the verse.
Sang together. United in a grand chorus or concert of praise. It was usual to celebrate the laying of a corner-stone, or the completion of an edifice, by rejoicing; see Zech. 4:7; Ezra 3:10.
And all the sons of God. Angels—called the sons of God from their resemblance to him, or their being created by him.


Albert Barnes, Notes on the Old Testament: Job (vol. 2; London: Blackie & Son, 1847), 194.

morning stars—especially beautiful. The creation morn is appropriately associated with these, it being the commencement of this world’s day. The stars are figuratively said to sing God’s praises, as in Ps 19:1; 148:3. They are symbols of the angels, bearing the same relation to our earth, as angels do to us. Therefore they answer to “sons of God,” or angels, in the parallel. See on Job 25:5.

Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset, and David Brown, Commentary Critical and Explanatory on the Whole Bible (vol. 1; Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 341.

Job was absent when the morning stars (possibly Venus and Mercury; “morning stars” were mentioned by Job in 3:9) sang and the angels (lit., “the sons of God”; cf. 1:6; 2:1) shouted with joy over God’s Creation of the earth. The stars’ singing is a poetic personification, not a reference to the noise made by stars as detected by radio astronomy. In Psalm 148:2–3 angels and stars are together commanded to praise the Lord.

Roy B. Zuck, “Job,” in The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures (ed. J. F. Walvoord and R. B. Zuck; vol. 1; Wheaton, IL: Victor Books, 1985), 1767.
 
I'm interpreting scripture with scripture. The all also is all the Father gives Him Jn 6 37 which is not all mankind without exception.
You are right in this case. The ones that the Father gave Him were Old Testament saints who were alive during Jesus' ministry. A good cross reference for this is John 17:6:

I have manifested Your name to the men whom You gave ME out of the world; they were Yours (i.e. obedient saints under the Old Covenant) and You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word." People like Joseph and Mary, Zacharias, Elizabeth, Simeon, Anna, the wise men, the shepherds who saw Jesus, several of the twelve apostles, etc.

But the ones that the Father and Jesus drew were ALL men, because He is not willing that any should perish.
 
Of course mankind wasn't there - the physical universe was just being created !!! - but people were, the people that are called ALL the sons GOD... Mankind did not exist until sinful spirits were flung into the earth! Adam was the first sinful spirit to become a man, sown here by the breath of GOD.

I follow the text as written as you have scolded others to do but you are claiming the text says something not in the text against your own convictions, sigh.
Now you're veering away from what the Bible says and talking nonsense. Adam was a sinful spirit who became a man??? That can't be true because he was not sinful until he ate of the forbidden fruit. Also there's no scripture that says "sinful spirits were flung into the earth", who you imply became men. Now you're getting into science fiction, or in this case - false doctrine.
 
Non human people?

Job 38:7 (NIV) — 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?

ANGELS ARE PEOPLE, PERSONS because Angels have free will:

1. Angels worship GOD:
Hebrews 1:6 points out that angels worship the Lord. We also see the heavenly host praising God in Luke 2:13–14. Robotic praise and worship is a parody of the real thing and worthless in heaven. When you put on a dvd and listen to a worship song singing praises to GOD, do you think or allude to the dvd as worshipping? Of course you don't.

2. Some angels are elect:
1 Timothy 5:21 I charge thee before GOD and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the ELECT angels. implying the fallen angels are non-elect demons ie the people of the evil one, the tares, sown into the world by the devil, Matt 13:38 The field is the world, and the good seed represents the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one 39 and the enemy who sows them is the devil. IF angels can choose to sin and become demons, they can also choose to be holy and work for GOD...angel being a job description, NOT a race or type of being.

3. Angels are holy:
Mark 8:38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the HOLY angels. This verse contrasts the sinfulness of men with the holiness, that is, the righteousness of angels, not just their consecration to GOD. Robotic holiness is a farce...a stone cannot sin but it is not righteous and a robot neither can be holy, that is, in the context of this verse, righteous. As well, Satan's fall is proof of his free will as he is not guilty of anything if he is a robot...

4. Angels have emotions such as love, joy, desire, sadness, pride, and anger:
Luke 15:10 indicates that angels are joyous when one person repents. The devil has great wrath in Revelation 12:12. The angels and the devil have desires (1 Peter 1:12; John 8:44). Why would anyone create a robotic group with emotions to drive them when HIS will is all that is necessary to drive them? Robotic emotions??? Surely only people have emotions...proof of their personhood in the image of GOD.

5. Angels are Persons in the image of GOD:
In the resurrection, man will be as the angels of God. Matt 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. In the resurrection, man is restored to the image of God in which he was created. The angels of God must, therefore, bear the image of God.

The image of GOD cannot contain sin therefore for man to be a sinner, the image must be broken. In the resurrection we will be restored to the full image of GOD and like the angels as this verse hints, who therefore must also be in HIS image. When did they receive the image of God unless it was in creation?

The image of GOD? I think it means things like personhood that is, self awareness, intelligence, emotional ability, curiosity and creativity and the ability to make true free will decisions. Therefore any being that fits this description fits the image of GOD... It also means they are suitable as marriage partners for our GOD, part of those who make up HIS Bride who were elected to be conformed to HIS Son and to heaven.

Not only does the ability to worship, to praise, to be elect and to be holy imply personhood, they also imply they have free will and if you combine free will with election of some angels and the fall of others, the Satanic demons, you get angels going through an Adam like choice with some staying holy and Satan and his crew choosing that which made them forever evil in HIS sight.

Pre-Conception existence theology contends that EVERY PERSON was created in the image of GOD (that is, able to be HIS Bride). None were created with GOD knowing they would end in hell but as true innocents we only had the potential for perfection, ie, we had to choose by our free will to accept GOD and HIS life for us in heaven to fulfill our potential to become perfect in righteousness. The fall of the elect into sin delayed the fulfillment of that potential by making it impossible to fulfill without grace. The redemption of His sheep (elect) gone astray into sin, His sinful good (elect) seed, is a restoration to that potential and the new creation is the fully realized fulfillment of HIS purpose for our creation in us.

Peace, Ted
 
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