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[Titus]

King James Version has errors.
Romans 8:26 KJV
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  itself maketh intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered

The King James uses WOKE pronouns!!!
Every Greek description for God is gendered Male.

God is not an it.
Jesus is not an it.
Father is not an it.
Spirit is not an it.

Faither is He.
Son is He.
Holy Spirit is He.

John 14:26, 13
- but the Comforter which is the Holy Spirit whom the Father will send in My name  He shall teach you all things and bring all things to your remembrance ....
- howbeit when  He the Spirit of truth is come  He will guide you into all truth for  He shall not speak of  Himself but whatsoever  He shall hear that shall  He speak and  He will shew you things to come

Translators got it right in John.
Now Romans 8:26 corrected.
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  Himself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered

 

[Red Baker]

@Titus

King James Version has errors.
Romans 8:26 KJV
- Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities for we know not what we should pray for as we ought but the Spirit  itself maketh intercession for us with groaning which cannot be uttered

Really? Are we now addressing errors of the KJV? Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it", the truth is still intact in Romans 8:26. See: https://www.chick.com/information/a...es5bdbKdxWkObSfy5-9JrGbINE8pV4xBt8CECARARDY_m

 

[Red Baker]

@Jim

Because with God, the Son there is no necessary relationship between obedience and faith. I have noted before that chapter 11 of Hebrews, called the Faith chapter by some, first presents the biblical definition for faith and then proceeds to point out key persons in the Bible who demonstrated that faith. Jesus is not even mentioned has having faith. That is for a reason, because as God, the Son, the definition given there simply cannot be rationally applied to him. It does not fit. There is no place for the concept of faith in "the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" What power is lacking in God, the Son, that He should need and have to rely upon faith?

Jim, Those mentioned in Hebrews 11 were from the OT, even though Christ died under the under OT, yet he's still considered under the NT writings, just as John the Baptist who also is not mentioned, yet the greatest prophet besides Jesus Christ.

Matthew 11:11​

“Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.”

You argument does not serve it purpose given. I'm thinking about going through Galatians three:

Galatians 3:22​

“But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.”

A very interesting study that few can grasp its meaning, it took me a few years to totally understand since very few ever preach on these things.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Yes,
But in their literature does it teach the elect have no evidence for others of their election.
If so, that would discourage not encourage the reader to become a calvinist.

Personally, I would DISCOURAGE anybody from being an "IST" or an "IAN" of any sort, and instead, simply KMOW WHAT THE WORD SAYS, obey the Holy Sprit.

Don't read "Theological opinions" ABOUT the Word.

READ THE WORD, and trust the holy spirit to give wisdom as HE PROMISES TO DO (James 1:5)

If You're CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN by the Holy Spirit, surrender to HIM and REPENT in FAITH, calling on God to cleanse you from SIN, then you're Born Again, and on the road to spiritual maturity.

"SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGIES" aren't required.

 

[Titus]

@Titus

Really? Are we now addressing errors of the KJV? Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it", the truth is still intact in Romans 8:26. See: https://www.chick.com/information/a...es5bdbKdxWkObSfy5-9JrGbINE8pV4xBt8CECARARDY_m

You have no authority to tell me what to discuss.
Start another thread?
This is my thread, who are you to tell me what to talk about on what I posted.
If anyone should be told what to talk about it's you coming on my thread.

As far as the truth still being told in KJV of Romans 8:26 use, of it for the person of the Holy Spirit rather than who He really is which is He.
Listen to your own language,

There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it",

Really?
By your claim I can refer to the Holy Spirit as a she.
If I can refer to Him as an it.
If this does not change any doctrinal teaching as you claim.
Your claiming it does not is out of desperation.
How else can we address God and it not change any doctrinal teaching?
Apparently the gender neutral Bibles are not changing doctrinal teaching since according to Red Baker we can call God not by how He has choosen to be addressed e.g. Father, Son, Holy Spirit but by definitions that He never spoke of Himself as.

Start a thread on this and we will come. There is no doctrinal issues changed whatsoever by using "it",

Wrong.
God never once told anyone to address Him as an it.
That is showing disrespect to Gods choice of description on how He wants us to see Him in His revelation.
It is theological error.
"It" denies Personhood:
In scripture God us described as a personal being not an impersonal force.
"It" is a pronoun for things, objects, or abstract ideas, NOT PERSONS!!!
Using it implies God is not relational, has His own mind or intentions which contradicts,
Exodus 3:14 - I AM WHO I AM
John 1:1 - The Word was with God the Word was God
Romans 8:27 - The Spirit has His own mind.

God chose to reveal Himself as He, Him, and Father.
This language is not arbitrary. It reflects how He wants to be known.
Matthew 6:9 - Our Father who art in heaven
John 17:1-3, Jesus prays to the Father.
Ephesians 1:3 - blessed be the God and It of our Lord Jesus Christ, Does that sound respectful to you?
- blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ

Conclusion: To reject Gods chosen way of self- identification is to undermine the authority of the Scriptures.

 

[Titus]

Personally, I would DISCOURAGE anybody from being an "IST" or an "IAN" of any sort, and instead, simply KMOW WHAT THE WORD SAYS, obey the Holy Sprit.

Don't read "Theological opinions" ABOUT the Word.

READ THE WORD, and trust the holy spirit to give wisdom as HE PROMISES TO DO (James 1:5)

If You're CONVICTED OF YOUR SIN by the Holy Spirit, surrender to HIM and REPENT in FAITH, calling on God to cleanse you from SIN, then you're Born Again, and on the road to spiritual maturity.

"SYSTEMATIC THEOLOGIES" aren't required.

Yes, no hyphenated Christian for me.
I will be what God named me when He saved me and made me His child. A new testament Christian.

Christ - ian. A follower of Christ not men.

 

[Titus]

Just a Christian​

Not a Luthren.
Not a Wesleyan.
Not a Calvinist.
Not a Roman Papist.
Not a Pauline.
Not a Baptist(John the baptizer).
Not an Arminian.


Just a Christ- ian.
A follower of God not the Theological doctrines of men.

 

[civic]

Just a Christian​

Not a Luthren.
Not a Wesleyan.
Not a Calvinist.
Not a Roman Papist.
Not a Pauline.
Not a Baptist(John the baptizer).
Not an Arminian.


Just a Christ- ian.
A follower of God not the Theological doctrines of men.

I grew up as a youth as a Lutheran
Became a believer and was Dutch Reformed
Then went to a Christian Missionary Alliance for 2 decades while remaining a Calvinist
Moved in 98 and joined a non denominational church I’m still at. Left Calvinism 3 years ago
Now I’m just a Christian

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I grew up as a youth as a Lutheran
Became a believer and was Dutch Reformed
Then went to a Christian Missionary Alliance for 2 decades while remaining a Calvinist
Moved in 98 and joined a non denominational church I’m still at. Left Calvinism 3 years ago
Now I’m just a Christian

To any and to all let he who has ears to hear hear and eyes to see see .
THIS is why we warn against such deadly and dangerous places and their doctrines .
The simple question is this two fold one my friend .
HOW many here can claim to Beleive JESUS is the CHRIST .
but the real question is What JESUS or jesus is it they do so love and embrace and beleive .
Because any jesus that contradicts the Biblical holy words OF OUR LORD JESUS
and the doctrine of our LORD , OH its not jesus
its a flesh pleasing entity that simply preached to them the idea of having salvation
AND THEIR SIN . many gonna wail loudly on the day of the LORD civic .
AND the fault will be upon them . CAUSE GOD did all that was necessary for one to have been saved .
And that ONE whom HE DID SEND , sure did have a lot of words to teach .
And that ONE did not contradict SCRIPTURES either .
HE inspired the very scriptures . GOD cannot lie and JESUS WILL NOT be DENIED .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I grew up as a youth as a Lutheran
Became a believer and was Dutch Reformed
Then went to a Christian Missionary Alliance for 2 decades while remaining a Calvinist
Moved in 98 and joined a non denominational church I’m still at. Left Calvinism 3 years ago
Now I’m just a Christian

I had heard the gospel at age four .
then later again at age eight
Even did the sinners prayer at eight
then again at age fourteen .
And yet I DID NOT KNOW HIM at all .
I quoated the gospel to an athiest in the marine corp for crying out loud
and me and my so called christain buddy
told him such lovely truth and warned HIM of the dire need to repent to Beleive JESUS .
Rather odd , however , I DIDNT KNOW HIM one bit .
And even the athiest saw through us . He knew how we both lived in sin
getting drunk , chasing women .
Had the three of us died that night , I SHUDDER to think what we would have all three heard
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
We can fool ourselves civic . But who we cannot fool IS GOD . GOD KNOWS THE HEARTS
and nothing is hidden from him .
HE knows one who lips the name of jesus whose heart is far from him and rather tries to justify
his own evil actions . OH what a deceptoin indeed . SO may i remind us all again
LETS BIBLE UP and do beware for many decieves do abound all over chrisetendom now .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I grew up as a youth as a Lutheran
Became a believer and was Dutch Reformed
Then went to a Christian Missionary Alliance for 2 decades while remaining a Calvinist
Moved in 98 and joined a non denominational church I’m still at. Left Calvinism 3 years ago
Now I’m just a Christian

TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .

 

[Selah]

TO the trenches one and to the trenches all .

I got the goosebumps reading all these Truth-inspired jottings my eyes have just feasted upon.
s e l a h

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I got the goosebumps reading all these Truth-inspired jottings my eyes have just feasted upon.
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We in the near end stage of an all out war for souls .
And the delusion of the inclusion is taking many now captive to a lie .
A lie that has even come using the NAME OF JESUS but its doctrines and its love
DO DENY HIM . their doctrines of this love DENIES GOD ALL MIGHTY WHO DID SEND THE SON .
How so
BECAUSE IT DENIES THE DIRE NEED TO EVEN HAVE HAD to BELEIVED ON JESUS THE CHRIST
AND it also recreates another version of jesus
that sure sounds just like the tempter in the garden , NOTHING LIKE THE REAL JESUS at all .

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

I got the goosebumps reading all these Truth-inspired jottings my eyes have just feasted upon.
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To the trenches selah and all .
For far too long these hirelings have fleeced their own peoples
and as more and more leaven came in , and was not corrected , due to judge not correct not
IT has leaven up their minds to now recieve the ultimate lie of all
THE ROAD TO CUYMBIA
wherein , THEY CLAIM , all relgions serve the same GOD in different ways
and if we all just have love then we all know GOD .
BUT beware
because what their version of love implies
ACTUALLY DENIES THE VERY LOVE OF GOD .
all i see is a sin accepting jesus and version of god
THAT Somehow seems to be fine with sins and unbelief .
THAT DARN SURE AINT GOD OR HIS CHRIST OR HIS LOVE .
a universal love of the world
has come to merge all the tribes of the world and her religoins
to be as one under what all beleive is love and is OF GOD .
AND it has promised them this is the way
to attain peace and safety . Rather odd
JESUS DID NOT COME TO BRING peace on earth ,
BUT i sure know of another
who by HIS PEACE sure will destroy . looks like a massvie set up TO ME .

 

[Red Baker]

@Titus

Just a Christian
Not a Luthren.
Not a Wesleyan.
Not a Calvinist.
Not a Roman Papist.
Not a Pauline.
Not a Baptist(John the baptizer).
Not an Arminian.


Just a Christ- ian.
A follower of God not the Theological doctrines of men.

I would dare say, most all here would give the very same testimony, the true test is their gospel that they hold to~ even though no doubt, some of God's children have been deceived by false prophets.

 

[Selah]

To the trenches selah and all .
For far too long these hirelings have fleeced their own peoples
and as more and more leaven came in , and was not corrected , due to judge not correct not
IT has leaven up their minds to now recieve the ultimate lie of all
THE ROAD TO CUYMBIA
wherein , THEY CLAIM , all relgions serve the same GOD in different ways
and if we all just have love then we all know GOD .
BUT beware
because what their version of love implies
ACTUALLY DENIES THE VERY LOVE OF GOD .
all i see is a sin accepting jesus and version of god
THAT Somehow seems to be fine with sins and unbelief .
THAT DARN SURE AINT GOD OR HIS CHRIST OR HIS LOVE .
a universal love of the world
has come to merge all the tribes of the world and her religoins
to be as one under what all beleive is love and is OF GOD .
AND it has promised them this is the way
to attain peace and safety . Rather odd
JESUS DID NOT COME TO BRING peace on earth ,
BUT i sure know of another
who by HIS PEACE sure will destroy . looks like a massvie set up TO ME .

Amen. A net has been cast and many will get caught up in it. And where will it lead when they become so deceived to the point of worshipping the ANTICHRIST Satan? It will lead to the Great Apostasy of the end times, that’s where. Deception and lies are what we fight against in these days.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12 (KJV) 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming: 9 [Even Him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

s e l a h

 

[Red Baker]

@Ttius

You have no authority to tell me what to discuss.
Start another thread?
This is my thread, who are you to tell me what to talk about on what I posted.
If anyone should be told what to talk about it's you coming on my thread.

Titus, did not mean to offend you, just a suggestion in order to keep from this thread getting off course, talk about whatever you desire to talk about, it matters little me.

Really?
By your claim I can refer to the Holy Spirit as a she.

No you cannot, that would go against the word of God.

If this does not change any doctrinal teaching as you claim.
Your claiming it does not is out of desperation.

No desperation on my part, for I KNOW that the KJV is the word of God for the English speaking people of this world, it has withstand many attacks, since it first came out. Did you not read the link I posted for you to read? Obviously not.

Thirdly, and most convincingly, is a statement that Jesus Christ makes in John chapter 4 while dealing with the woman at the well.

Jesus, completely unintimidated by twentieth century scholarship, doesn't hesitate to say to the woman in verse 22, "Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews."

To whom is Jesus referring to by the word "what?" The next verse defines His statement perfectly.

"But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him."

Thus we see that Jesus finds referring to His own Father as "what" in verse 22 a non-issue. While the mighty mice of twentieth century scholarship would translate an entirely new version over it. Even though they, in their own casual conversation, find no offense in referring to the Holy Spirit in the neuter.

I believe in Psalm 12 that God will keep his world preserved from "this generation"...meaning the ungodly and wicked children of the devil! You can believe what you desire to believe about the KJV. It was the only Bible for the English speaking people of this world up until around 1850-60, then the flood gates were open.

Conclusion: To reject Gods chosen way of self- identification is to undermine the authority of the Scriptures.

I am accepting what is written in the scriptures, I refuse to change one word in my favor, even if I may have a question, if God allowed the words to be there, then I must accept them knowing that they are there for a reason, even if I may not fully understand.

 

[Jim]

It was the only Bible for the English speaking people of this world up until around 1850-60, then the flood gates were open.

That is not true, Red. Look it up.

Moreover until the first English version became available there was no Bible available to English speaking people, And until the invention of the printing press and well beyond that, there wasn't even a Bible available to the common man. So what was God's word then?

 

[Titus]

I believe in Psalm 12 that God will keep his world preserved from "this generation"...meaning the ungodly and wicked children of the devil! You can believe what you desire to believe about the KJV

His word is preserved forever. In Greek manuscripts and Hebrew.
But also in the KJV.
You know how I know Romans 8:26 is error?
By the King James version.
John 14:13 KJV.
I already showed you the same translation exposes it's own errors.
Gods word is preserved for all time, 1Peter 1:25 ; Matthew 24:35,
- heaven and earth will pass away but my words shall not pass away KJV

 

[Tothalordbeallglory]

Have you ever wondered why it is and what it is i focus on my friend .
What am i constantly reminding about and exposing as well .
Have you ever wondered where did the men go
who used to be so on fire for procliaming the truth of the gospel
of pointing only TO CHRIST
and reminding all of the dire need to beleive on HIM
WHERE are they now .
I dont see hardly any that helps me defend against this lie
of this many path false love god . Even when i do warn
i have heard , DONT JUDGE , you dont know the muslims heart
you dont know the buddists heart .
YEAH BUT I KNOW THEIR FRUIT and i know their works
AND THEY DENY GOD AND HIS CHRIST .
SO seeing that no man can call CHRIST accursed BY THE HOLY SPIRIT
ANYONE mind telling me HOW THEY SERVE the same GOD WE DO .
THEY CALL GOD A LIAR , seeing they reject the TESTIMONY HE GAVE OF THE SON .
I KNOW that . i keep things real simple .
But mark my words , for just doing that
I have become the fastest man in the west to be BANNED
and put on ignore . people DONT want to hear truth anymore .
THEY WANT to beleive something else . a lie they think is love and loving and of GOD .
But man has that lie they think is love made the path to GOD
very broad and sin accepting , even calls good evil and evil good
EVEN denies the dire need to BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
and they talk of meats . please , this generation needs a return
to the basics .