Need a reason to believe Calvinists are who they claim to be?

[Titus]

I never said James taught "faith only salvation". I believe such. I believe it is rather obvious that the words you're referencing from "James" tie the necessity of works (that James approves of himself) to salvation

As I said you lack faith.

My answer to James is Yes. Faith alone saves. The only work needed is the work of Jesus Christ to secure Eternal Life for those who simply believe Him

I never said James taught "faith only salvation".

You can explain to God on judgment day why He was mistaken in James' Inspired writing.
It's just a strawy epistle to you.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Doesn't seem to be worth the effort.

Your choice. Just FYI, I've had these debates for over 30 years now. Do you have the knowledge to actually discuss the topic thoroughly? I can. I can prove it if you will try to correct me.

 

[Titus]

Your choice. Just FYI, I've had these debates for over 30 years now. Do you have the knowledge to actually discuss the topic thoroughly? I can. I can prove it if you will try to correct me.

What is truth?
Where do I go to find the truth on salvation?

There is no definitive/exhaustive list of words that you can possible claim saves or doesn't save.

 

[praise_yeshua]

As I said you lack faith.

I believe Jesus is the Christ. The Son of the Living God. Salvation alone is through Jesus Christ. He is my Lord. My Savior. My Redeemer. There is none else.

So tell me how I'm lacking faith?

You can explain to God on judgment day why He was mistaken in James' Inspired writing.
It's just a strawy epistle to you.

I know what Luther said. I didn't say that. Quote me. I don't agree with Luther. I make my own arguments.

 

[Jim]

Your choice. Just FYI, I've had these debates for over 30 years now. Do you have the knowledge to actually discuss the topic thoroughly? I can. I can prove it if you will try to correct me.

Only 30 years? Just a lightweight newcomer.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What is truth?
Where do I go to find the truth on salvation?

You tell me. You're not a KJVOist. That is all I know.

So tell me what manuscript your believe gives you everything you require/need.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Only 30 years? Just a lightweight newcomer.

So you've actually debated canonicity/inspiration and textual criticism for longer? Any context to that?

I'd like to know where I'm wrong. So please correct me.

 

[Titus]

I believe Jesus is the Christ. The Son of the Living God. Salvation alone is through Jesus Christ. He is my Lord. My Savior. My Redeemer. There is none else.

So tell me how I'm lacking faith?

Your faith is your private interpretation of what you have defined as faith.
You do have a faith but not the faith.
You really don't believe Jesus,
John 5:24,
- verily, verily, I say unto you, he THAT HEARETH MY WORD(James 2:24) and believeth on Him that sent Me hath eternal life and shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto life

You only believe in Jesus Himself but disbelieve His God breathed gospel, Romans 1:16

Heareth means to believe and obey what Jesus taught in His gospel.

 

[Titus]

You tell me. You're not a KJVOist. That is all I know.

So tell me what manuscript your believe gives you everything you require/need.

I've asked, you claim you got the truth.
Reveal "truth" or stop wasting everyone's time.

Teach us how you know the truth of what Gods plan is for saving mankind?

 

[Titus]

So tell me what manuscript your believe gives you everything you require/need.

Straw man fallacy.
I never claimed nor do I believe in only one of the many manuscripts.

 

[Jim]

So you've actually debated canonicity/inspiration and textual criticism for longer? Any context to that?

I had my first formal class in that subject just about 70 years ago.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Your faith is your private interpretation of what you have defined as faith.
You do have a faith but not the faith.
You really don't believe Jesus,
John 5:24,
- verily, verily, I say unto you, he THAT HEARETH MY WORD(James 2:24) and believeth on Him that sent Me hath eternal life and shall not come into condemnation but is passed from death unto life

You only believe in Jesus Himself but disbelieve His God breathed gospel, Romans 1:16

Heareth means to believe and obey what Jesus taught in His gospel.

Thank you for being honest about this and engaging.

1. Can you rightfully recognize that you just judged me to be outside the body of believers and the family of God even though I openly confessed Jesus Christ as Lord and my Savior?

2. I've heard and obeyed the word of God. Is it okay if I appeal to the disciple that "Jesus loved"?

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

By what right do you declare me beyond fellowship when John clearly included me?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I had my first formal class in that subject just about 70 years ago.

Then you should be able to list some simple requirements that easily overcome the hurdles of debate.

Why avoid them. Does 30 plus years of experience qualify for debate?

 

[praise_yeshua]

I've asked, you claim you got the truth.
Reveal "truth" or stop wasting everyone's time.

Teach us how you know the truth of what Gods plan is for saving mankind?

So you're not wasting others people's time by not defining it yourself?

I know the Truth through faith and observation. I study what people say and match them against facts of nature and observable components of realty as we know it.

Do you do differently? You're making a KJVOist argument. You might not realize it but you are.

You're attempting to say that I don't have a definitive list of what God has said when you don't have one yourself. This is not being true to honest debate.

 

[Jim]

Then you should be able to list some simple requirements that easily overcome the hurdles of debate.

What hurdles?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Straw man fallacy.
I never claimed nor do I believe in only one of the many manuscripts.

Can you tell me why you don't? You're the one insisting that there is a definitive choice to be made that everyone must equally make.

 

[praise_yeshua]

What hurdles?

How about the hurdle you placed in the "road".....

"It's not worth my time"......
?

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Those words do not say that baptism saves anyone. I am beginning to think that your reading comprehension skills are close to nonexistent.

Good god man, can you read. I highlighted your post. and bolded the words YOU WROTE. where you said we are baptized TO GET SAVED and TO BE JUSTIFIED

Again, not much comprehension.

What? you can't hear, believe, repent, confess, or baptized? Interesting.

Again, if being baptized is required. it is a work of merit

God brought me to my knees, where I heard. confessed and trusted him. (did not continue in unbelief)

Baptism happens AFTER we get saved

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Not with any understanding.

yet you can not respond to anythign I said concerning it and prove me wrong

What? Keep asking you questions that you don't seem to have any answers to? Go right ahead.

I answered them

You want to play a stupid game, keep playing them, i will report you

Reduce your pride man, show some humility. everyone here saw my answers to you..

Again, Jesus said it is THE WORK OF GOD THAT I BELIEVE.

so when you LIE and say I believe it is God who believes for us. when even the words say it is US who believed

and then I continue and show you where Jesus did not say it is the work of God that he believes for us

and you continue to falsly accuse me.

thats on you!!

 

[Jim]

How about the hurdle you placed in the "road".....

"It's not worth my time"......
?

That's not a hurdle.