Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Horatius
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Could you clarify that a little bit please? How could you possibly know what everyone here thinks?
Opposed? not to the word of God, but to your corrupt understanding of Acts 2:38. In its context we love it, for its flows perfectly with all scriptures, when properly understood~you and your 3000 as you called them labor to put Acts 2:38 in a vacuum, as desire to make others believe it is, so you can labor to isolate it from other scriptures, in order to attempt to support your false gospel. It may work on the minds of the unlearned, but not on those who have and know the truth.
Modern Christendom? There you go again. If one knows the history of the Christian faith you must confess that your "jesus only baptism" for the remission of sins, is modern, not church taught what you teach up until around 1913, or so. The movement likely began in 1913 with R.E. McAlister, who, following the formula for baptism found in the Acts of the Apostles (2:38) rather than that in the Gospel According to Matthew, taught that water baptism in the early church was done not according to the familiar Trinitarian formula. See also: On April 15, 1914, Ewart and Glenn Cook publicly baptized each other in "the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, but as the one name of Jesus, not as a Trinitarian formula." This is considered to be the historical point when Oneness Pentecostalism emerged as a distinct movement.
Now, who is modern and who are historically scriptural? Actually as I said earlier, we baptized new converts "in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, even in the name of Jesus Christ"~not that it adds anything to their salvation, but all bases are fully covered from allowing gainsayers like you have anything to say. For the truth is:
Galatians 6:15~“For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.”
Agreed 100%
Never said they were never real, that was not my point in posting what I said. I carefully said this to you:
Not modern day deliverance as preach by folks like you, Jimmy Swaggart, and many others. Some things are easily put off immediately, others over time by learning God's will more perfectly which comes with spiritual growth and faith.
Hebrews 12:1~"Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us," New born babes in Christ need to be taught what is sin and what is the will of God for their life. Certain gross sins need not to be taught to be wrong, by nature we know certain sins are wrong.
No one here as far as I can remember has ever said one can be a child of God without repenting of their former life. The old former life clothes come off slowly over time for the most part. We do immediately repent of known sins "that the word of God calls sins" which is the transgression of God's laws, not a transgression of man's made commandments! Our practical sanctification is progressive.
1st Thessalonians 4:1-9~" Furthermore then we beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit. But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto you: for ye yourselves are taught of God to love one another. And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all Macedonia: but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;"
Never perfect, constantly increasing.
Personably, you are not making a lot of biblical sense~Paul's saw it much different than what you are attempting to say.
1st Corinthians 10:1-14~'Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
(no mention of being baptized in Jesus' name as you desire for others to believe...they were baptized unto Moses, not in Jesus' name only~RB)
And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
(in his deity as I AM THAT I AM)
But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents. Neither murmur ye, as some of them also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer. Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it. Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry."
Paul's take on this is much different than yours, his lessons I can and should learn, yours is strange to say the least.
Truther
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Your post is a perfect example of what I am saying.
You absolutely rejected Acts 2:38 in it.
You are not in the church of 3000, but in a daughter work of the RCC. Your personal origin starts with her….An Acts 2:38 skipper.
Truther
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Why did you bring up Swaggert?
You know what I was talking about. I did not say that they were baptized in Jesus name when they passed through the red Sea. That statement of yours was made to prejudice others and yourself. You are throwing up smoke screens here.
The Red Sea crossing was an example of baptism. You know that is true. Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ started in the book of Acts at the inception of the New Testament church.
Truther
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Since you brought up other religions, did you know that the Roman Catholics, the Mormons, SDAs and the JWs all baptize “in the name of the father son and Holy Ghost”? Now you know how big that movement is to eliminate the name of Jesus from water baptism and skip the book of Acts.
Truther
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I had a Mormon hand me a print out of one of their scriptures. It was an angel that stated to one of the Mormon fathers that baptism in the name of Jesus Christ was the original method that the early church used. But the angel commanded the prophet to change it to baptism in the name of the father son and holy ghost. Yep, I saw it with my own eyes.
I felt cold chills when I read it. Though we or an angel preach any other gospel than that which we have preached let them be a cursed, went through my mind.
I felt cold chills when I read it. Though we or an angel preach any other gospel than that which we have preached let them be a cursed, went through my mind.
Would you like to debate me one on one on Acts 2:14-40, that determines the truth of what Peter meant when he spoke 2:38? I'm ready, are you?
I' am not, I'm a member of 'The General Assembly, Church of the Firstborn" whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 12:22,23~"But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,"
Truther
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Let's debate!
Also, unless you obey Acts 2:38, you are not a menber of the firstborn.
You are not even born again.
Acts 2:38 is your ticket to paradise.
There is no alternative to being part of the Church.
No scholar will ever be able to change it.
It's set in stone.
Truther
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Argue with this...
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
That's the fix.
It's what we shall do.
Correct?
14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:
21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
That's the fix.
It's what we shall do.
Correct?
Fool4Christ
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@Red Baker
Your post shows me that you know what you're talking about. And what you're talking about is the truth.
Fool4Christ
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Fool4Christ
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That's not the way I see it. But you should tell him and not me. He seems to do pretty well at explaining what he is talking about.
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” Acts 16:31
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