I want to do this in a orderly manner, where one of us goes first with his position using scriptures to support their understanding. Whoever goes first, must put forth his best effort to defend his position~when finished, the others can do likeness~
then each have an opportunity to show the errors of their opponent. Someone must moderate this, to make sure each are staying on the subject and each are addressing their opponent position properly/honestly. Maybe someone would be willing to do this for us.
We shall see,
if it is obeying certain scripture, in your case Acts 2:38,
in order to have our names written in the book of life~or, was our names in the book of life from the foundation of the world base on
Jesus securing the gift of eternal life for those to whom he was a surety for, given to him by his Father to redeem from the condemnation of God's law.
Coming from you, means nothing to me, since you do not even know how one is born of the Spirit of God per Jesus' teaching in John 3:1-8. In the context of Acts 2:38 is not even mention in any way in John 3:1-8.
Sir, you don't even know what constitute a church and how it is form.
Matthew 16:17,18~"And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."
The church of Jesus Christ is built upon
"divine revelation" when the Spirit of God births the elect into the religion of Jesus Christ! It is not by water baptism~that would be putting the cart before the horse! Maybe that's the way you folk drive your cart, or at least try to. That will not work.
Actually your house is built upon sand, and we shall prove it,
maybe not to you, but for God's precious sheep for whom we labor.
