Horatius
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Others can do however they like. God the Son sounds good to me.
Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Richard
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Jesus works for me. When I pray I pray in the name of Jesus. If I have no clue what Messianics do. I've never done any study in that area. But now you've peaked my interest.
Truther
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Truther
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Made up passage for Hebrew roots folks.
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Truther
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The Peter thing was a figure of speech.
The church of 3000 is real. Modern Christendom is fake
Johann
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Incorrect and I am familiar with the Hebrew Roots Movement.
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So am I
Are you saying by your statement, that the Son is not God?
I will add~if Jesus is the Son of God, then that by definition makes him God! Even his enemies understood that truth. So, he was God the Son.
John 10:30-36~"I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?"
Jesus was God's only begotten Son, thereby, Jesus was God manifest in human flesh, he was the very express image of God~If one saw Jesus, then they saw God in human flesh. The mystery of the Godhead................... Jesus was God, but God was not Jesus! God is a Spirit that dwells/inhabits eternity, always has, always will, that will never change, no never. Jesus will be the ONLY God man or angels will ever see! Selah.
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Hello @Adherant,
The body of Peter is in the grave, for the resurrection has not taken place yet. The breath of life, or spirit, of every man, at the death of the body, goes back to God who gave it: but those who have died, 'in Christ', are reckoned by God to be 'asleep in Christ', awaiting the resurrection. There is no life apart from resurrection.
* You have also misquoted 2 Corinthians 5:8, which so many do unfortunately. For Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8:-
' Therefore we are always confident,
knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,
we are absent from the Lord:
(For we walk by faith, not by sight )
We are confident, I say, and willing rather
to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.'
* However, this desire of Paul, would necessitate the resurrection, or the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, when the bodies of those 'in Christ' who remain in that day, will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when they put on their bodies which are from heaven: Their resurrection bodies. For 1 Cor. 50 tells us that flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither corruption inherit incorruption.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Yes.
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I think we're pretty much in agreement. And you're right the only thing left in the grave are a dead man's bones. The Apostle Peter's not there and he won't be turning over in his grave.Hello @Adherant,
The body of Peter is in the grave, for the resurrection has not taken place yet. The breath of life, or spirit, of every man, at the death of the body, goes back to God who gave it: but those who have died, 'in Christ', are reckoned by God to be 'asleep in Christ', awaiting the resurrection. There is no life apart from resurrection.
* You have also misquoted 2 Corinthians 5:8, which so many do unfortunately. For Paul said in 2 Corinthians 5:6-8:-
' Therefore we are always confident,
knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body,
we are absent from the Lord:
(For we walk by faith, not by sight )
We are confident, I say, and willing rather
to be absent from the body,
and to be present with the Lord.'
* However, this desire of Paul, would necessitate the resurrection, or the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, when the bodies of those 'in Christ' who remain in that day, will be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, when they put on their bodies which are from heaven: Their resurrection bodies. For 1 Cor. 50 tells us that flesh cannot inherit the kingdom of God, neither corruption inherit incorruption.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
2 Corinthians 5:8
We are confident, I say, and willing rather
We are cheerful in our present state, being assured of future happiness; though we choose rather
to be absent from the body;
that is, to die, to depart out of this world. The interval between death, and the resurrection, is a state of absence from the body, during which time the soul is disembodied, and exists in a separate state; not in a state of inactivity and sleep, for that would not be desirable, but of happiness and glory, enjoying the presence of God, and praising of him, believing and waiting for the resurrection of the body, when both will be united together again; and after that there will be no more absence, neither from the body, nor from the Lord:
and to be present with the Lord.
This was promised to Christ in the everlasting covenant, that all his spiritual seed and offspring should be with him. This he expected; it was the joy of this which was set before him, that carried him through his sufferings and death with so much cheerfulness; this is the sum of his prayers and intercession, and what all his preparations in heaven are on the account of. It is this which supports and comforts the saints under all their sorrows here, and which makes them meet death with pleasure, which otherwise is formidable and disagreeable to nature; and even desirous of parting with life, to be with Christ, which is
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Yes, the fullness of deity was in His body, but He had emptied Himself and took on the form of a servant. So of what did He "empty Himself"? Not His position as God, certainly, or that would make Col 2:9 false. But He emptied Himself of His power, because He did nothing by His own power, but by the power of the Holy Spirit. He emptied Himself of His glory, laying His glory aside to take on the lesser glory of a servant. He emptied Himself of His knowledge because He grew in knowledge as a youth.
Jesus is not in the flesh now. He is back in Heaven, where He is Spirit.
Horatius
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Jesus is the English translation. In Hebrew, Yeshua is short for the name Jehoshua. It is one of the so-called theophoric names, in other words, it contains the name of God. The name is composed of two words. The first part of the name: “Jeho” comes from Yahweh, and the second “shua” is derived from the verb save. Thus, the name Jesus literally means “Yahweh is salvation” or “Yahweh saves.”
Jesus called himself I am. Do you have a verse where he calls himself Jesus? I know David Koresh called himself Jesus along with a lot of other cult Leaders. Is that the Jesus you're talking about?
Jesus told a crowd of Jews, “Before Abraham was born, I am!” John 8:58
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God the son and son of God are opposite in meanings.
God the son doctrine teaches God as flesh
Son of God teaches God inside flesh.
If God is inside the son, then the son is God by default.
If the flesh is God, then God is a weak, humble human being. Like Thor.
God the son doctrine originated in ancient mysticism.
Truther
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Back to Col 2:9…are you admitting that Jesus is bodily omnipresent?
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Let’s try this again.
The angel said to name him Iesous per Matt 1.
Iesous called himself Iesous to Paul in Acts 9.
Correct?
Greetings Chris~so far I agree.Hello @Adherant,
The body of Peter is in the grave, for the resurrection has not taken place yet. The breath of life, or spirit, of every man, at the death of the body, goes back to God who gave it: but those who have died, 'in Christ', are reckoned by God to be 'asleep in Christ', awaiting the resurrection.
Here I must disagree, as far as the life of righteous, for they have eternal life, which means they are now living in the present of the Lord. Their earthly bodies do wait for the resurrection, no problem there, yet they also can take on a form of a body if the Lord wills it even now while in God's presence. Moses did, and so did Elijah on the mount of transfiguration. Also, when the Lord arose from the dead, so did many saints which went in Jerusalem after his resurrection~where are those saints now with their resurrected bodies?
Matthew 27:52~“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,"
He did not misunderstand this scripture, for it goes perfectly with other scriptures, especially so what you highlighted in bold letters. Please consider:
Philippians 1:23~“For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:”
"willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord".
Some things are hidden from us at the moment, and exactly what the afterlife is currently doing we cannot tell~only saints have eternal life and truly they cannot die in any sense of the word, except their earthly house in which they live in can and does perish. The wicked are not so~they are not now living in anysense of the word. They too shall be resurrected only to face the judgement and the lake of fire which is the second death, eternal destruction, perishing forever.
