Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

[TomL]

No, you have 3 holy Spirits, Tom....unless you think are not.

nope

Nop Father son and Holy Ghost

do you require dictionary help

an·oth·er
used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further:

1. "have another drink" · "I didn't say another word" · "170 miles done, only another 100 to go"
   Similar:
   one more
   a further
   an additional
   a second
   an extra
   a spare
2. used to refer to a different person or thing from one already mentioned or known about:

C. Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23 -26.

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.

F. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit

1. The Holy Spirit is "another Conforter" (John 14:16; compare 1 John 2:1).

2. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit (John 15:26; 16:7).

3. The Holy Spirit exhibits humility (John 16:13) and seek to glorify Jesus (John 16:14).

4. The Son and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

5. The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus (Luke 3:22).

 

[Doug Brents]

So God has weakened Himself with the voluntary infiltration of humanity?

I did not know God has a 'human element" to His being.

Jesus had a different take on his description of what God consists of...


24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Do you only read limited, specific passages of Scripture that teach what you want to hear?
Yes, "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:24) And Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14, John 8:58, John 10:30, Col 2:9, Heb 1:1-4). Jesus was Spirit in Heaven (John 6:38), but He willingly chose to limit Himself, empty Himself, and become a human, a little lower than the angels (Phil 2:5-7, Heb 2:9). God is not made in Man's image, but man is made in God's image, and so Jesus took on the form of Man and submitted Himself as a servant to die for His own creation.

 

[charismaticlady]

We must seek the proper senses of Mark 16~mainly verse 16! Those who handle snakes and kiss them on the nose, are not much different from those who are reckless on insisting on standing with the sound bites of such scriptures~Mark 16:16~both sides are guilty of not rightly dividing the word of God and seeking to make all scriptures flow in perfect harmony with each other, so that, they will render the true interpretation to the seeker thereof. Both ( snake kissers and baptismal generational believers) are running with the mere sound of the words, thinking this is pleasing to God; pray, tell me the difference between the two camps, as far as properly interpreting the word of God. The God of heaven wrote such scriptures, to allow men to deceive themselves, if they are willing to glory in themselves, instead of Jesus Christ alone.

Questions:

#1~How does the scriptures used the word saved/save/salvation in the NT?

#2~Is it used in the same sense every time?

#3~When are we saved?

#4~Without adding our personal opinions~Based on Mark 16:16, what condemns a person~not believing, not being baptized, or both?

#5~Base upon the Spirit's witness,~what is the evidence of one that is born of God, more than any other thing given in the scriptures?

#6~Are OT saints and NT saints born the same way?

The first question will be the one that I want to consider the most, since understanding the proper sense of the word as it is used in Mark 16:16, will determine who has the truth on this verse and who does not.

RB

Just to help you from your western thinking, picking up serpents and drinking poison as in Mark 16:18 is written by a Hebrew, so we need to know Hebrew idioms. It is an idiom meaning divine protection. Western ignorance has people dancing with snakes and drinking strychnine. And Hebrews listening to westerners picture letting a literal cat out of a bag.

 

[TomL]

We must seek the proper senses of Mark 16~mainly verse 16! Those who handle snakes and kiss them on the nose, are not much different from those who are reckless on insisting on standing with the sound bites of such scriptures~Mark 16:16~both sides are guilty of not rightly dividing the word of God and seeking to make all scriptures flow in perfect harmony with each other, so that, they will render the true interpretation to the seeker thereof. Both ( snake kissers and baptismal generational believers) are running with the mere sound of the words, thinking this is pleasing to God; pray, tell me the difference between the two camps, as far as properly interpreting the word of God. The God of heaven wrote such scriptures, to allow men to deceive themselves, if they are willing to glory in themselves, instead of Jesus Christ alone.

Questions:

#1~How does the scriptures used the word saved/save/salvation in the NT?

#2~Is it used in the same sense every time?

#3~When are we saved?

#4~Without adding our personal opinions~Based on Mark 16:16, what condemns a person~not believing, not being baptized, or both?

#5~Base upon the Spirit's witness,~what is the evidence of one that is born of God, more than any other thing given in the scriptures?

#6~Are OT saints and NT saints born the same way?

The first question will be the one that I want to consider the most, since understanding the proper sense of the word as it is used in Mark 16:16, will determine who has the truth on this verse and who does not.

RB

Seems to me context

Mark 16:15–16 (KJV 1900) — 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

points to saved being used in the sense of eternal salvation

The opposite of it is to be damned and it concerns one's response to the gospel

Romans 1:16 (KJV 1900) — 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[Truther]

nope

Nop Father son and Holy Ghost

do you require dictionary help

an·oth·er
used to refer to an additional person or thing of the same type as one already mentioned or known about; one more; a further:

1. "have another drink" · "I didn't say another word" · "170 miles done, only another 100 to go"
   Similar:
   one more
   a further
   an additional
   a second
   an extra
   a spare
2. used to refer to a different person or thing from one already mentioned or known about:

C. Father and Son are two persons

1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3

2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.

3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.

4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23 -26.

5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.

F. Jesus is not the Holy Spirit

1. The Holy Spirit is "another Conforter" (John 14:16; compare 1 John 2:1).

2. Jesus sent the Holy Spirit (John 15:26; 16:7).

3. The Holy Spirit exhibits humility (John 16:13) and seek to glorify Jesus (John 16:14).

4. The Son and the Holy Spirit are distinguished as two persons in Matt. 28:19.

5. The Holy Spirit descended upon Jesus (Luke 3:22).

The Father and Son are not holy, and they are are not spirits? Only one of the three is?

 

[Truther]

Do you only read limited, specific passages of Scripture that teach what you want to hear?
Yes, "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth." (John 4:24) And Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14, John 8:58, John 10:30, Col 2:9, Heb 1:1-4). Jesus was Spirit in Heaven (John 6:38), but He willingly chose to limit Himself, empty Himself, and become a human, a little lower than the angels (Phil 2:5-7, Heb 2:9). God is not made in Man's image, but man is made in God's image, and so Jesus took on the form of Man and submitted Himself as a servant to die for His own creation.

Jesus said God is somebody else in the passage. He said God is a him, him. He did not say God is me, me,.
Jesus clearly said God is somebody other than himself. He also said God is a spirit. Jesus was a human. Not a spirit. The woman at the well figured that out, why can’t you?

 

[TomL]

The Father and Son are not holy, and they are are not spirits? Only one of the three is?

All are holy, but they are not the Holy Spirit

 

[Doug Brents]

Jesus said God is somebody else in the passage. He said God is a him, him. He did not say God is me, me,.
Jesus clearly said God is somebody other than himself. He also said God is a spirit. Jesus was a human. Not a spirit. The woman at the well figured that out, why can’t you?

God the Father certainly is a different being/person/manifestation of God from the being/person/manifestation of God Jesus. But they are still the same God. While Jesus was incarnate, He spoke of God as someone other than Himself, because He (Jesus) was not in Heaven at that time, nor did He have His power, glory, and knowledge. But when He was in Heaven before He was incarnate, and after He returned to Heaven, He sits on the Throne with the Father as equal with the Father, fully God. He was still God when He was incarnate, but He had left His power, glory, and knowledge in Heaven so that He could experience life as a truly human man, and so be our kinsman redeemer.

 

[Truther]

All are holy, but they are not the Holy Spirit

So you admit here are 3 holy Spirits with 2 inactive?

 

[Truther]

God the Father certainly is a different being/person/manifestation of God from the being/person/manifestation of God Jesus. But they are still the same God. While Jesus was incarnate, He spoke of God as someone other than Himself, because He (Jesus) was not in Heaven at that time, nor did He have His power, glory, and knowledge. But when He was in Heaven before He was incarnate, and after He returned to Heaven, He sits on the Throne with the Father as equal with the Father, fully God. He was still God when He was incarnate, but He had left His power, glory, and knowledge in Heaven so that He could experience life as a truly human man, and so be our kinsman redeemer.

Look at the verse again. Jesus said God is a spirit which he himself was not and also said God is someone else. You keep inserting the word,” but”. That is your belief system, trying to redefined the simple meaning of the verse.

 

[TomL]

So you admit here are 3 holy Spirits with 2 inactive?

Nope

I admit the Father and the son are not the Holy Spirit

 

[TomL]

Look at the verse again. Jesus said God is a spirit which he himself was not and also said God is someone else. You keep inserting the word,” but”. That is your belief system, trying to redefined the simple meaning of the verse.

Seems to me as you equate the Father, son and The Holy Spirit with one another you are the one with the problem

 

[Doug Brents]

Look at the verse again. Jesus said God is a spirit which he himself was not and also said God is someone else. You keep inserting the word,” but”. That is your belief system, trying to redefined the simple meaning of the verse.

God is indeed Spirit, and so is Jesus, who is the only being/person to come from Heaven (where He was Spirit) and enter into creation as a man. He was Spirit, and returned to Spirit after He ascended back into Heaven.

 

[TomL]

God is indeed Spirit, and so is Jesus, who is the only being/person to come from Heaven (where He was Spirit) and enter into creation as a man. He was Spirit, and returned to Spirit after He ascended back into Heaven.

Do you deny a physical resurrection body?

 

[Doug Brents]

Do you deny a physical resurrection body?

No, I affirm the physical resurrection. If Christ was not raised, then our faith is in vain (1 Cor 15:12-21). As I said, He "returned to Spirit after He ascended back into Heaven".

 

[Truther]

Nope

I admit the Father and the son are not the Holy Spirit

They are holy and Spirits but not holy Spirits?

Only 1 of the 3 is designated to be called a Holy Spirit ands the other 2 are forbidden to be called it also?

27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

…is Jesus inside us too?

 

[Truther]

Seems to me as you equate the Father, son and The Holy Spirit with one another you are the one with the problem

The Father is inside the son and they come as the Holy Ghost inside us.

Easy easy…

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

…God inside Christ..inside us.

 

[Truther]

God is indeed Spirit, and so is Jesus, who is the only being/person to come from Heaven (where He was Spirit) and enter into creation as a man. He was Spirit, and returned to Spirit after He ascended back into Heaven.

Okay, are God and Jesus also holy?

Are they holy and are they also Spirits?

 

[Doug Brents]

Okay, are God and Jesus also holy?

Are they holy and are they also Spirits?

The Father and Jesus are Holy, and they are both spirits. Your questions flow from a false premise: that there can only be ONE Holy Spirit. But that is a false premise. The Father we have a "name" for: Father. Jesus had a physical life, so we have a name for Him also. But "the Holy Spirit" is the only name we have for the third person that is God. We could call Him "the Comforter", or "the Helper", but most people know Him simply by "the Holy Spirit". This is kind of like a three person law firm with a mostly silent third partner, "Smith, Jones, and the partner". We don't have another name to call Him, so we just call Him "the Spirit".

 

[Truther]

The Father and Jesus are Holy, and they are both spirits. Your questions flow from a false premise: that there can only be ONE Holy Spirit. But that is a false premise. The Father we have a "name" for: Father. Jesus had a physical life, so we have a name for Him also. But "the Holy Spirit" is the only name we have for the third person that is God. We could call Him "the Comforter", or "the Helper", but most people know Him simply by "the Holy Spirit". This is kind of like a three person law firm with a mostly silent third partner, "Smith, Jones, and the partner". We don't have another name to call Him, so we just call Him "the Spirit".

If you don’t mind, take a look at this short video and tell me where any of this is incorrect. Thank you.
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