Who must imagine Jesus
was loving himself
Was sent by himself
Was with himself
Prayed to himself
Mark 16:16~"He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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was loving himself
Was sent by himself
Was with himself
Prayed to himself
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Do you do everything in word or deed in the titles or in Jesus name?
Did you know baptism is both word and deed?
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You hit the power brakes here...
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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No, he prayed to his God.
What happened to your oneness?
More than one person and all not named Jesus
Once again
Why did you fail to deal with the fact your claim was refuted
Jesus stated
Matthew 28:18–19 (KJV 1900) — 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. 19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
And apparently contrary to you Jesus held there is authority in the father's name
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The true oneness of the Bible is the unification of these 2 entities...
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
....God inside Jesus.
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All named Jesus.
Jesus is the highest name.
Jesus inherited his name.
It first belonged to God to be inheritable.
Jesus said the Holy Ghost shall be sent in my name.
Jesus is the Holy Ghost.
Jesus is the name of Jesus(Son).
Father, Son and Holy Ghost are titles of Jesus.
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What is the name of the son per the verse?
Think hard.
Compare it to all baptisms in Acts.
Now you get it?
It's not the name of the Father or the Holy Spirit
and you were refuted as the verse speaks of the authority of the father and the holy Spirit
Sorry that is error
THE FATHER, SON, AND HOLY SPIRIT ARE DISTINCT PERSONS
A. Matt 28:19
1. "the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit": use of definite article before each personal noun indicates distinct persons unless explicitly stated otherwise; compare Rev. 1:17; 2:8, 26.
2. Jehovah's Witnesses, Armstrongites, etc., argue that "Father" and "Son" are distinct persons but Holy Spirit is not a person at all; Oneness Pentecostals argue that all thre e are different offices or roles of one person. Both views are impossible in view of the grammar.
3. Does singular "name" prove that the three are one person? No; compare Gen. 5:2; 11:4; 48:6; and especially 48:16!
4. "Name" need not be personal name, may be title: Isa. 9:6; Matt. 1:23. If a single personal name is sought, the name shared by all three persons is "Yahweh" or "Jehovah."
B. Acts 2:38 and Matt. 28:19
1. Neither passage specifies that certain words are to be spoken during baptism; nor does the Bible ever record someone saying, "I baptize you in the name of...."
2. Those said to be baptized in the name of Jesus (whether or not the formula "in the name of Jesus" was used) were people already familiar with the God of the OT:
a. Jews: Acts 2:5, 38; 22:16
b. Samaritans: Acts 8:5, 12, 16
c. God-fearing Gentiles: Acts 10:1-2, 22,48
d. Disciples of John the Baptist: Acts 19:1-5
e. The first Christians in Corinth were Jews and God-fearing Gentiles: Acts 18:1-8; 1Cor. 1:13
3. Trinitarian formula for baptism (if that is what Matt. 28:19 is) was given in context of commissioning apostles to take the gospel to "all the nations," including people who did not know of the biblical God.
C. Father and Son are two persons
1. The saluations: Rom. 1:7; 1 Cor. 1:3; 2 Cor. 1:2; Gal. 1:3; Eph. 1:2; 6:23; Phil. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; 2 Thess. 1:1, 2; 1 Tim. 1:1, 2; 2 Tim. 1:2; Tit. 1:4; James 1:1; 2 Peter 1:2; 2 John 3; Phm 1:3
2 . Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.
3. The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.
4. The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23 -26.
5. The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.
D. Jesus is not God the Father
1. Isa. 9:6. "Father of eternity" means eternal; compare other names formed with word "father":
a. Abialbon, "father of strength" = strong (2 Sam. 23:31)
b. Abiasaph, "father of gathering" = gatherer (Ex. 6:24)
2. John 10:30
a. Jesus did not say, "I am the Father," nor did He say, "the Son and the Father are one person."
b. The first person plural esmen ("are") implies "we," thus two persons.
c. The neuter word for "one" (hen) is used, implying essential unity but not personal unity (compare John 17:21-23).
3. John 5:43
a. Oneness interpretation: Jesus' coming in His Father's name means He was the Father because He had the Father's name.
b. Actual meaning: Others come in their own name (or their own authority), but Jesus does not; Jesus comes in His Father’s name (on His Father's authority).
4. John 14:6-11
a. Jesus and the Father are one being, not one person.
b. Jesus said, "I am in the Father," not, "I am the Father." c. The statement, "the Father is in Me," does not mean Jesus is the Father; compare John 14:20; 17:21-23.
5. Colossians 2:9
a. Oneness argument: The Godhead, which is the entire being of God, is in Jesus; Jesus is not the Godhead.
b. Trinitarian interpretation; "Godhead" means Deity, the state of being God, the nature of God; thus Jesus is fully God, but not the only person who is God. Since Onesess makes "the Godhead" = the Father, they cannot say that Jesus is "not in the Godhead,"
since Jesus is in the Father (John 10:38; 14:10, 11;17:21).
Biblical basis of the trinity - Robert Bowman
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Jesus has not come in his Fathers name?
Jesus did not inherit his Fathers name?
The Holy Ghost shall not be sent in Jesus name?
Jesus is not the Holy Ghost?
The name of the son is not Jesus?
You gotta lotta splainin to do, Lucy.
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1 plus 1 plus 1 is 3.
3 God persons.
3 Gods.
3, 1/3 Gods.
Just don't add up.
Catholicism invented this stuff.
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There are 2.
God and the man.
A man with a God.
My oneness is true oneness(God inside His son).
Modern oneness is cousin to trinitarianism.
Neither group believes that God dwells in Jesus, bodily.
They are Catholic.
So you separate the God and the man?
Or The man prays to the God inside him?
Or you are just very confused?
Nope
3 persons 1 God
Two witnesses; John 5:31-32; 8:16-18; compare Num. 35:30; Deut. 17:6; 19:15.
The Father sent the Son: John 3:17; Gal. 4:4; 1 John 4:10; etc.; compare John 1:6; 17:18; 20:21.
The Father and the Son love each other: John 3:35; 14:31; 17:23 -26.
The Father speaks to the Son, and the Son speaks to the Father: John 11:41 -42; 12:28; 17:126; etc.
The Name of the Father is not Jesus nor is the name of the spirit
Jesus is not the father and is not the Holy spirit
Mark 1:9–13 (NASB 2020) — 9 In those days Jesus came from Nazareth in Galilee and was baptized by John in the Jordan. 10 And immediately coming up out of the water, He saw the heavens opening, and the Spirit, like a dove, descending upon Him; 11 and a voice came from the heavens: “You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased.” 12 And immediately the Spirit brought Him out into the wilderness. 13 And He was in the wilderness for forty days, being tempted by Satan; and He was with the wild animals, and the angels were serving Him.
