Judaism is very messy.....

[Studyman]

I know we like to argue with one another and there are reasons for this.....

but listen to me for just a minute.

Knowing it is not in the Scripture in certain aspects of the meaning... itself is evidence. There is a reason that Paul referenced such as the

"Jew religion" in a very negative context.

Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 1:13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:
Gal 1:14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

Now we can skip much of this argument if you want to accept this fact. Until you do, I will insist upon accurately defining every use of such words.

But PY, Jesus, John the Baptist, Stephen, Paul, Ezekiel, Isaiah, Micah, Malachi, Jeremiah, all told you over and over and over, that the religious leadership of the Jews, the Pharisees and their fathers, rejected God's Commandments.

Jer. 50: 6 My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, they have turned them away on the mountains: they have gone from mountain to hill, they have forgotten their restingplace.

Jer. 23: 16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and "not" out of the mouth of the LORD. 17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Matt. 3: 7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: 9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

So the Pharisees, or as Paul calls them "The Jews religion" was not what Caleb, Joshua, Shadrack, David, the Prophets sent by God, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, the Wise men, and the entire Church of God, including Jesus, walked in. This is undeniable Biblical Truth.

You want me to accept something about the Pharisees that is untrue. Consider the difference between the "works" of the members of the Church of God as described by Luke, and the Pharisees as described by Jesus in Mark.

Mark 7: 9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, "that ye may keep your own tradition".

But of a member of God's Church.

Luke 1: 5 There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. 6 And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

And Simeon:

Luke 2: 25 And, behold, there was a man in Jerusalem, whose name was Simeon; and the same man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel: and the Holy Ghost was upon him. 26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

These men were members of God's Church, not the religious sect of the Pharisees, AKA, "The Jews Religion" who persecuted them. They knew the Christ and believed in Him before HE was even born. While the members of the religious sect of the Pharisees, the "Jews Religion", "compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves", and they couldn't see their Messiah when HE was right in front of their face doing miracles.

Can you not see how understanding the difference between these two examples of people described in the Scriptures, the "Pharisees", AKA, "the Jews Religion", VS the Church of God they persecuted, is crucial in the topic of "Judaism"?

This is why I asked, and you still have not answered, who were the Judaizers, Zacharias, Simeon, Anna, or the religious sect of the Pharisees?

It can't be both.

I don't hold the theological position that Christians are just perfected "Jews".

Nor do I! There isn't now and has never been Jew or Greek in God's Church.

Lev. 19: 33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him. 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Is. 56: 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Simeon knew this Truth because he believed the Oracles of God.

Luke 2: 30 For mine eyes have seen thy salvation, 31 Which thou hast prepared before the face of all people; 32 A light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

The Pharisees also had the Oracles of God, but didn't believe them.

Which one was the Judaizer?

Thusly, establishing the validity of "Judaism" as a meaningful representation of all things revealed as being truth in practice.

I do believe the validity of "Judaism". I'm simply asking what definition you have adopted for it and have expressed the reason, in detail, as to why it is so important to know for the purpose of seeking Biblical Truth.

 

[Dizerner]

"a nice person." who keeps a plastic Jesus figure on his dashboard,
I don't care if it rains or freezes,
Long as I have my plastic Jesus
Riding on the dashboard of my car,
Through my trials and tribulations
And my travels through the nation
With my plastic Jesus I'll go far

Heh, he's more convenient, let's you get away with more stuff.

 

[Duane]

Heh, he's more convenient, let's you get away with more stuff.

Let's you think you get away with stuff.

Bad news is it leads to spiritual blindness and leaves you without the ability to perceive and accept spiritual truth.

 

[Jay]

Studying the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is very interesting for any armchair theologian.

The question of how Jesus’ followers relate to Judaism has been a matter of debate since Jesus first sparred with the Pharisees. The controversy has not abated, taking many forms over the centuries. In the decades following the Holocaust, scholars and theologians reconsidered the Jewish origins and character of Christianity, finding points of continuity.

In his one of his books Understanding the Jewish Roots of Christianity Gerald R. McDermott answers the question of how Jesus’ followers relate to Judaism has been a matter of debate since Jesus first sparred with the Pharisees. The controversy has not abated, taking many forms over the centuries. In the decades following the Holocaust, scholars and theologians reconsidered the Jewish origins and character of Christianity, finding points of continuity.

Understanding the Jewish Roots of Christianity advances this discussion by freshly reassessing the issues. Did Jesus intend to form a new religion? Did Paul abrogate the Jewish law? Does the New Testament condemn Judaism? How and when did Christianity split from Judaism? How should Jewish believers in Jesus relate to a largely gentile church? What meaning do the Jewish origins of Christianity have for theology and practice today?

In this volume, a variety of leading scholars and theologians explore the relationship of Judaism and Christianity through biblical, historical, theological, and ecclesiological angles. Readers will have their understanding of this centuries-old debate enriched with current scholarship.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Studying the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is very interesting for any armchair theologian.

The question of how Jesus’ followers relate to Judaism has been a matter of debate since Jesus first sparred with the Pharisees. The controversy has not abated, taking many forms over the centuries. In the decades following the Holocaust, scholars and theologians reconsidered the Jewish origins and character of Christianity, finding points of continuity.

In his one of his books Understanding the Jewish Roots of Christianity Gerald R. McDermott answers the question of how Jesus’ followers relate to Judaism has been a matter of debate since Jesus first sparred with the Pharisees. The controversy has not abated, taking many forms over the centuries. In the decades following the Holocaust, scholars and theologians reconsidered the Jewish origins and character of Christianity, finding points of continuity.

Understanding the Jewish Roots of Christianity advances this discussion by freshly reassessing the issues. Did Jesus intend to form a new religion? Did Paul abrogate the Jewish law? Does the New Testament condemn Judaism? How and when did Christianity split from Judaism? How should Jewish believers in Jesus relate to a largely gentile church? What meaning do the Jewish origins of Christianity have for theology and practice today?

In this volume, a variety of leading scholars and theologians explore the relationship of Judaism and Christianity through biblical, historical, theological, and ecclesiological angles. Readers will have their understanding of this centuries-old debate enriched with current scholarship.

All the listed intents of this video are secondary to the core issue of salvation in Jesus Christ alone.

In other words, it is largely nothing more than a distraction from what really matters. This is exactly what the intent of Satan is this discussion. To "muddy" the waters to the point people are damned in their unbelief.

Lets start with the need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The answer is always TODAY. You can't exercise faith too soon in Jesus Christ. No one has a promise of tomorrow..... Timing is everything.

 

[Julie]

All the list intents of this video are secondary to the core issue of salvation in Jesus Christ alone.

In other words, it is largely nothing more than a distraction from what really matters. This is exactly what the intent of Satan is this discussion. To "muddy" the waters to the point people are damned in their unbelief.

Lets start with the need to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The answer is always TODAY. You can't exercise faith too soon in Jesus Christ. No one has a promise of tomorrow..... Timing is everything.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

“To the Jew first”? What kind of priority, what kind of “firstness” do they have? And why does he say this? What effect does he want this to have on us?

 

[Dizerner]

“To the Jew first”? What kind of priority, what kind of “firstness” do they have? And why does he say this? What effect does he want this to have on us?

Seems like Paul wanted both Jews and Gentiles to be humble about their position.

Perhaps that is the desired effect.

 

[praise_yeshua]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

“To the Jew first”? What kind of priority, what kind of “firstness” do they have? And why does he say this? What effect does he want this to have on us?

Jesus personally saved a Gentile and declared that HE (Christ) had never seen such a great faith in Israel.

Luke 7:9 When Jesus heard these things, he marvelled at him, and turned him about, and said unto the people that followed him, I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.

"To a Jew first" is simply the historical narrative relative to how the Gospel was preached. It is not a measure of worthiness or value in the hearer.

I suppose you believe it is.....?

 

[praise_yeshua]

Seems like Paul wanted both Jews and Gentiles to be humble about their position.

Perhaps that is the desired effect.

Do we really listen unless we are humbled?

 

[Julie]

Do we really listen unless we are humbled?

Good point.

Ps 131:1
A Song of Ascents. Of David. LORD, MY heart is not haughty, nor my eyes lofty; neither do I exercise myself in matters too great or in things too wonderful for me.

Is 53:7–8
He was oppressed, [yet when] He was afflicted, He was submissive and opened not His mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth. By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who among them considered…

Is 57:15
For thus says the high and lofty One—He Who inhabits eternity, Whose name is Holy: I dwell in the high and holy place, but with him also who is of a thoroughly penitent and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble and to revive the heart of the thoroughly penitent [bruised with sorrow for…

Mic 6:8
He has showed you, O man, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you but to do justly, and to love kindness and mercy, and to humble yourself and walk humbly with your God?

Mt 11:29
Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest (relief and ease and refreshment and recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls.

 

[Jay]

Do we really listen unless we are humbled?

Jesus Humbled Himself​

5 Indeed, let this attitude be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. 6 Though he was by nature God,[b] he did not consider equality with God as a prize to be displayed, 7 but he emptied himself by taking the nature[d] of a servant. When he was born in human likeness, and his appearance was like that of any other man,

And He listens to us. He always has the right answer. He is the answer!

 

[Studyman]

For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 1:16

“To the Jew first”? What kind of priority, what kind of “firstness” do they have? And why does he say this? What effect does he want this to have on us?

That is a great point, "To the Jew First". Israel was also shown the Gospel of Christ. Paul teaches not to be ignorant of this Truth in 1 Cor. 10 as well as Rom. 1.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein (From within the Gospel of Christ) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Hab. 2:4) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, (Also found within the Gospel of Christ) who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Hebrews confirms this truth.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us "was the gospel preached", as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Belief) in them that heard it.

Heb. 3: 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

To the "Jew First", according to Paul, was God preparing something better for us, and He their disobedience recording in Scripture, "were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted".

And again to remind us that "11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10)

And you asked the perfect question "What effect does he want this to have on us?

That is the purpose of the Gospel of Christ, Yes? To have an effect on us. To create in us a New person, which after God is created in Righteousness and true holiness, just like Jesus was.

1 John 2: 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that "saith" he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Great post Julie, and perfect for this discussion concerning "Judaism", whatever it is.

 

[praise_yeshua]

That is a great point, "To the Jew First". Israel was also shown the Gospel of Christ. Paul teaches not to be ignorant of this Truth in 1 Cor. 10 as well as Rom. 1.

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein (From within the Gospel of Christ) is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. (Hab. 2:4) 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, (Also found within the Gospel of Christ) who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

Hebrews confirms this truth.

Heb. 4: 1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us "was the gospel preached", as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith (Belief) in them that heard it.

Heb. 3: 17 But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness? 18 And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not? 19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

To the "Jew First", according to Paul, was God preparing something better for us, and He their disobedience recording in Scripture, "were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted".

And again to remind us that "11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. (1 Cor. 10)

And you asked the perfect question "What effect does he want this to have on us?

That is the purpose of the Gospel of Christ, Yes? To have an effect on us. To create in us a New person, which after God is created in Righteousness and true holiness, just like Jesus was.

1 John 2: 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

6 He that "saith" he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Great post Julie, and perfect for this discussion concerning "Judaism", whatever it is.

There is much to be said about "Jew first".......

Suffice to say that there are many reasons why the descendants of Abraham were first. This primarily centered around the fact that the "knowledge of God" was better represented among the Hebrew people than the Gentiles nations of the world.

Take for example. John the Baptist. Not only John but.... John's parents. John the Baptist was in the priest line of the Hebrew people yet didn't serve the temple. Thusly, they had not been corrupted by the ruling elite that existed among the Kings and Priests of Israel. John was also a prophet and anointed Christ as King in similar manner (think Priestly King) to how King David was anointed. (David ate the bread that was reserved to the order of Aaron and was not guilty).... The people chose Saul. God chose David.... First, the children of the flesh. Afterward the child of promise.

There is a reason why John the Baptist came "baptizing" all Hebrews. It was a call to repentance because of their failures. All Hebrews well knew what a mikveh represent. In any Hebrew community.... one of the first things built or constructed was a mikveh. A baptismal pool for ritual cleaning. The community couldn't operate within the context of Judaism without a mikveh. Their religion had abandon the baptismal understanding of what took place in the Red Sea and "In the Cloud" of witness in the wilderness. (ironically like those do now in teaching baptismal regeneration).

Yet, there were still just a few faithful left among the Hebrews.

Take for example.... Mary. The mother of God. (No. I am not a Catholic but I do not ignore facts).... Mary was highly favored of God. Mary came from a long line of faithfulness throughout many generations of Hebrews.

"Highly favored among women. The "fruit of the womb" of Mary among mankind. Where the fleshly seed meets the spiritual seed of God in Christ Himself. On and on and on. There is much to "unwrap" but who can receive it without humility to realize they've been wrong?

To God be Glory. Great things HE ..... has done.

 

[Studyman]

There is much to be said about "Jew first".......

Suffice to say that there are many reasons why the descendants of Abraham were first. This primarily centered around the fact that the "knowledge of God" was better represented among the Hebrew people than the Gentiles nations of the world.

Abraham was a Gentile wasn't he? The Children of Israel were Spiritual Gentiles in Egypt weren't they?

Lev. 19: 34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

So it seems then, that Gentile/Jew is more than DNA. Abram, was a Gentile who denied himself, (Repent) turned to God, and did "works" meet for repentance. He was re-born, he put on the New Man, "Abraham", which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Caleb and Joshua were Spiritual Gentiles, who obeyed God concerning the blood of the Passover Lamb and Feast of Unleavened bread. They "did the Works of Abraham" in obeying God. While the rest remained Spiritual Gentiles and fell in the wilderness. This is just like the wheat and the tare's story, yes? Caleb and Joshua surrounded by men who "Professed to know God, but were "disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate". Abraham surrounded by Gentile nations that knew God, but didn't glorify HIM as God, like Sodom and Gomorrah.

I like how you said once that the word "Jew" is not really understood.

I think you are right about that.

Take for example. John the Baptist. Not only John but.... John's parents. John the Baptist was in the priest line of the Hebrew people yet didn't serve the temple.

This is true. God wasn't in the Temple, HE was in John's Mind, a true Levite Priest. God warned about this very thing.

1 Kings 9: 6 But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them: 7 Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people: 8 And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house? 9 And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.

Thusly, they had not been corrupted by the ruling elite that existed among the Kings and Priests of Israel. John was also a prophet and anointed Christ as King in similar manner (think Priestly King) to how King David was anointed.

I agree.

Simeon, Anna, and the Wise men were also among those who had not adopted the religious traditions and Philosophies of the Scribes and Pharisees. In my understanding, Jesus was to become the Prophesied "Priest of God" after the Order of Melchizedek. According to the Law, a Priest must be appointed by a Levite, or "son of Aaron". I think this is why Jesus told John, "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

In the same way Samuel, a Levite, anointed David King of Israel. I think you are spot on.

(David ate the bread that was reserved to the order of Aaron and was not guilty).... The people chose Saul. God chose David.... First, the children of the flesh. Afterward the child of promise.

There is a reason why John the Baptist came "baptizing" all Hebrews. It was a call to repentance because of their failures. All Hebrews well knew what a mikveh represent. In any Hebrew community.... one of the first things built or constructed was a mikveh. A baptismal pool for ritual cleaning. The community couldn't operate within the context of Judaism without a mikveh. Their religion had abandon the baptismal understanding of what took place in the Red Sea and "In the Cloud" of witness in the wilderness. (ironically like those do now in teaching baptismal regeneration).

This is true, but not all Jews adopted the Pharisees religion, but walked in the commandments, statutes and judgments of God. These men, because they obeyed God, were given His Holy Spirit of Truth, as promised, and they knew the difference between, "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do", and, as Paul taught, "but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God", like John the Baptist, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did.

Yet, there were still just a few faithful left among the Hebrews.

Take for example.... Mary. The mother of God. (No. I am not a Catholic but I do not ignore facts).... Mary was highly favored of God. Mary came from a long line of faithfulness throughout many generations of Hebrews.

Mary, Zacharias, Elizebeth, Simeon, Anna, the Wise Men, these were all people who "was highly favored of God". In fact, like Noah, Abraham, Daniel, David, Shadrack, Meshak, Rebab and all the examples of Faith in the Bible, we all know who they are. God glorified their names for centuries to the point where everyone knows who Mary and Rehab are.

But can you name even one person who lived in Sodom, Gomorrah, or those killed after the Golden calf, of how many names of men who fell in the wilderness to we know? We might be able to find one, but you see the point, nobody knows who they were. The memory of them is forgotten, while Faithful men like Abraham and women like Mary and Rehab are known by the masses.

You are correct in pointing out those who were "favored of God", we should strive to be a part of this flock, yes? Even if it means leaving behid the religious philosophies of our fathers?

"Highly favored among women. The "fruit of the womb" of Mary among mankind. Where the fleshly seed meets the spiritual seed of God in Christ Himself. On and on and on. There is much to "unwrap" but who can receive it without humility to realize they've been wrong?

To God be Glory. Great things HE ..... has done.

Amen.

 

[praise_yeshua]

This is true, but not all Jews adopted the Pharisees religion, but walked in the commandments, statutes and judgments of God. These men, because they obeyed God, were given His Holy Spirit of Truth, as promised, and they knew the difference between, "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do", and, as Paul taught, "but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God", like John the Baptist, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did.

A little leaven does what? How much leaven doe you find in this whole?

You're still a Judaizer. You appeal to your own lack of sin as evidence of your faith. That is why you see righteousness in the very law that condemns you. You find no lasting value in Jesus Christ. Sadly, you're no better yourself.

 

[Studyman]

A little leaven does what? How much leaven doe you find in this whole?

You're still a Judaizer. You appeal to your own lack of sin as evidence of your faith. That is why you see righteousness in the very law that condemns you. You find no lasting value in Jesus Christ. Sadly, you're no better yourself.

The children of the devil did the same thing to Jesus. Instead of discussing the Scriptures, and considering the rebukes, they had to turn on Jesus and make up lies about Him to exalt themselves. They slandered Paul in the same way, and David as well.

Everything I posted here that you replied to with so much bitter hatred and vitriol, is true. Why the Scriptures infuriate you so much, should be something you think about. It's not the knowledge of the beam that causes the blindness. It's the "Beam" that causes the blindness. God tells men to "Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel".

See, if you can, it isn't just having the knowledge of our sins, that we are instructed to do. It's "Casting them away" that is essential in God's Salvation. "Go and sin no more". Just because you have been convinced by the other voice in the garden that God has never been capable of bringing even ONE sinner, into His Righteousness, "No not one", doesn't make the Scriptures void or the God who inspired them a liar.

For this reason, Paul and I have hope, therefore, "I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

This is why it's so important to define "Judaism" to understand what you mean by it. Is it the Path Jesus and the Faithful walked, "Yielding themselves" servant to obey God, and become "Servants of God's Righteousness", like Jesus was.

Or is it living by the religious philosophies, commandments and judgments of men like the Pharisees, who also professed to know God, but were disobedient to Him, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men?

 

[praise_yeshua]

The children of the devil did the same thing to Jesus. Instead of discussing the Scriptures, and considering the rebukes, they had to turn on Jesus and make up lies about Him to exalt themselves. They slandered Paul in the same way, and David as well.

You're not Paul nor David. Paul and David both recognized the value of Jesus Christ.

I have long discussed this with you. This isn't our "first time" that should be handled in private. You need to be rebuked. Details are rebuking you and I am personally rebuking you.

Everything I posted here that you replied to with so much bitter hatred and vitriol, is true

No. You are lying. Not only that. You are trying to win others to your delusion. Which requires hatred and vitriol in response.

This is why it's so important to define "Judaism" to understand what you mean by it. Is it the Path Jesus and the Faithful walked, "Yielding themselves" servant to obey God, and become "Servants of God's Righteousness", like Jesus was.

Jesus was successful. YOU are not. NEITHER was Peter. Neither was Paul. Neither am I. They all BOWED THE KNEE to Jesus Christ.

YOU dishonor the very name of Jesus Christ and drive men away from BOWING THE KNEE to Jesus Christ. You fruit is bitter in denial of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Or is it living by the religious philosophies, commandments and judgments of men like the Pharisees, who also professed to know God, but were disobedient to Him, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men?

There is no religion without philosophies. Isn't it "ironic" you're ignoring your own "philosophies".

I don't have anything to prove to you. My position is secure in Jesus Christ. Keep trying to "claim me". I know what you are. I'll take Jesus. You are an enemy of Christ.

I pray that changes but your religious philosophies condemns you.

 

[Administrator]

True righteousness will produce long-suffering love and kindness.

 

[praise_yeshua]

True righteousness will produce long-suffering love and kindness.

While that is true at times. At times it is not true.

God demands everyone, everywhere, in like manner, to repent to the Lord Jesus Christ.

Act 17:30 The times of ignorance God overlooked, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent,

I would also submit that there is never a longsuffering of error in the Scriptures concerning the preaching of Jesus Christ.

 

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You're not Paul nor David. Paul and David both recognized the value of Jesus Christ.

I have long discussed this with you. This isn't our "first time" that should be handled in private.

I went to you in private, made my understanding of scriptures known, and tried to have a discussion with you, and was told that you would come back and have the discussion with me. That was August 9th, 2024.

You never did.

You need to be rebuked. Details are rebuking you and I am personally rebuking you.

Yes, clearly you have "transformed yourself" into an Apostle of Christ. So rebuke away. Nevertheless, I will still promote belief and discussion regarding what is actually written in Scriptures.

No. You are lying. Not only that. You are trying to win others to your delusion. Which requires hatred and vitriol in response.

The following is not the lie in my understanding. If you believe there are untruths in this statement, please show me where.

This is true, but not all Jews adopted the Pharisees religion, but walked in the commandments, statutes and judgments of God. These men, because they obeyed God, were given His Holy Spirit of Truth, as promised, and they knew the difference between, "For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do", and, as Paul taught, "but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God", like John the Baptist, Zacharias, Simeon and Anna did.

Thank you in advance.

Jesus was successful. YOU are not. NEITHER was Peter. Neither was Paul. Neither am I. They all BOWED THE KNEE to Jesus Christ.

YOU dishonor the very name of Jesus Christ and drive men away from BOWING THE KNEE to Jesus Christ. You fruit is bitter in denial of our Lord Jesus Christ.

What Jesus are you talking about, the popular image of God after the likeness of a handsome, long-haired man? Or the Jesus "of the bible" who instructed me to "Live by" Every Word of God, and to be a "Doer" of His Sayings, not a hearer only?

I Love and have submitted to the Jesus "of the Bible", should I not believe what HE tells me?

There is no religion without philosophies.

Yes, God has philosophies, judgments, Commandments and Statutes. The Pharisees rejected God's "philosophies, judgments, Commandments and Statutes" in favor of their own man made "philosophies, judgments, Commandments and Statutes". The Jesus, "of the bible" whom I serve, was clear concerning what "Philosophy" to "Live By". Who to worship, and whose commandments and judgments to obey.

I believe Him, and for this I am accused and called names, and told "You don't Love Jesus" by "many" who call Him Lord, Lord.

Jesus said this would happen to me if I truly believed Him. There is no question about that now.

Isn't it "ironic" you're ignoring your own "philosophies".

I'm ignoring your adopted religious philosophy, as pointed out over and over in our discussions. But have adopted the Philosophies Jesus said to Live by. For this I am slandered by you.

Thank you for the blessing.

I don't have anything to prove to you. My position is secure in Jesus Christ. Keep trying to "claim me". I know what you are. I'll take Jesus. You are an enemy of Christ.

Again, that you for the blessing. Jesus said you were coming.

I pray that changes but your religious philosophies condemns you.

LOL, But wait, you just preached to everyone that I ignore "my own philosophies". Now you are preaching that my Philosophies are condemning me? Which is it?

Are you sure you are OK?