John 17 - the context

[civic]

Notice Jesus mentions the world 17 times in John 17, this passage which calvinists ignore in their doctrine of particular redemption. Jesus mentions the world and that they might BELIEVE in this passage through their word.

After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

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6 “I have revealed you to those whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours; you gave them to me and they have obeyed your word. 7 Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. 8 For I gave them the words you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. 9 I pray for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given me, for they are yours. 10 All I have is yours, and all you have is mine. And glory has come to me through them. 11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one. 12 While I was with them, I protected them and kept them safe by that name you gave me. None has been lost except the one doomed to destruction so that Scripture would be fulfilled.
13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them. 14 I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world. 15 My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one. 16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

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20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23 I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me.
24 “Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.
25 “Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26 I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them.

 

[Diserner]

It's true they cannot maintain one consistent meaning of world through the same passage context.

But it's never bothered them for some reason.

 

[civic]

It's true they cannot maintain one consistent meaning of world through the same passage context.

But it's never bothered them for some reason.

Calvinism can only stand when a passage or text is removed from its context. The saying holds true:

A text without the context is a pretext for a proof text. It’s proof texting as John 17 in its context disproves particular redemption.

Jesus is specifically praying for the 12 that the Father gave Him. Then for those who would come to believe in Him through their word that they would be one in unity. This passage has nothing to do with particular redemption but unity in the body of Christ- believers who have come from the world for which Jesus died. The atonement is universal and available to all who will believe.

hope this helps !!!

 

[civic]

Why do Calvinists ignore the fact that Jesus in John 17 actually doesn't teach election/predestination but in fact Jesus is praying in several different ways.

1- For the 12 God have Him
2- For them to be One as the Father and Son are One
3- For the world to know that you have sent them into the world
4- For the world to believe that You have sent Me
5- For the world to believe in Him through their word

hope this helps !!!