No just your twisting
Nowhere does the verse state the Spirit does other than convict the world of truth
The passage says nothing about sheep
and Hear spiritually is another phrase you invented
Jesus taught Provisional Atonement
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Nowhere does the verse state the Spirit does other than convict the world of truth
The passage says nothing about sheep
and Hear spiritually is another phrase you invented
brightfame52
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You bucking against the work of the Spirit in Salvation, Jn 16:8-10 is the Spirit drawing to Christ and converting, persuading to believe in Him
No just your twisting
Nowhere does the verse state the Spirit does other than convict the world of truth
The passage says nothing about sheep
and Hear spiritually is another phrase you invented
brightfame52
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You bucking against the work of the Spirit in Salvation, Jn 16:8-10 is the Spirit drawing to Christ and converting, persuading to believe in Him
No just your twisting
Nowhere does the verse state the Spirit does other than convict the world of truth
The passage says nothing about sheep
and Hear spiritually is another phrase you invented
brightfame52
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You bucking against the work of the Spirit in Salvation, Jn 16:8-10 is the Spirit drawing to Christ and converting, persuading to believe in Him. Also the word reprove Jn 16:8
And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Its the greek word elegchō: and it means also chasten/rebuke as in Heb 12:5
And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:
And here Rev 3:19
As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
I would argue that the world of Jn 16:8-10 is the world of the children of God
civic
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Kicking against the pricks
Reproving is convicting which what I stated the spirit would do
Show where the spirit converts unbelievers or give up your twisting of scripture
brightfame52
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I showed that its to the children of God. The world of the children of God, thats who the Spirit is sent to convict
Show where the Spirit converts unbelievers
brightfame52
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I showed that its to the children of God. The world of the children of God, thats who the Spirit is sent to convict
Sorry nowhere do we read the Spirit is sent to convict only the children of God
You do not have a verse which states any such thing and are inventing doctrine again
There is no such thing as "provisional atonement"! Either Jesus atoned for his people on the cross, or he did not (he did!). The benefits of that accomplished atonement are fully applied when we believe in Jesus, but the atonement was accomplished on the cross.
Of course there is
Christ was sacrificed so that those who believe would have eternal life
Christ was the provision which would provide for the possibility of salvation
brightfame52
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I showed that its to the children of God. The world of the children of God, thats who the Spirit is sent to convict
No actually you did not
John 16:8–11 (LEB) — 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me, 10 and concerning righteousness, because I am going away to the Father and you will see me no more, 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.
It obviously refers to unbelievers who are not the children of God
You need to stop twisting scripture
brightfame52
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I showed that its to the children of God. The world of the children of God, that's who the Spirit is sent to convict of sin, and make them feel need for Salvation and to believe in Christ.
No actually you did not
John 16:8–11 (LEB) — 8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment: 9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me, 10 and concerning righteousness, because I am going away to the Father and you will see me no more, 11 and concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world has been condemned.
It obviously refers to unbelievers who are not the children of God
You need to stop twisting scripture
civic
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Scripture says there is atonement provided for everyone.
John 1:29
The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!
Hebrews 2:9
But we do see Jesus, who was made lower than the angels for a little while, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Titus 2:11
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men,
Titus 3:4
But when the kindness and the love of mankind of God our Savior appeared
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 Timothy 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord does not delay his promise, as some regard “delay,” but he is patient with you, not wishing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
1 John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
2 Corinthians 5:14
For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
hope this helps !!!
civic
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Calvin Institutes 3:21:5 - All are not created on equal terms ,but some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of these ends, we say that he has been predestinated to life or to death.
According to Calvinist theory God hates most of humanity and is actively working to make sure they all end up in hell. That is a level of evil you should only attribute to Satan himself.
Billions of people are in hell because:
(1) they are not part of those who were Unconditionally Elected
(2) they were not granted Irresistible Grace
(3) because of sin that God unchangeably ordained by God for them to commit.
(4) because Jesus did not die for their sins.
People go to hell because of something God didn't do in them, not of anything they could have done.
Calvin teaches:
1. God wants people in hell
2. Humans can only go to hell if they have sin.
3. God decrees for people to sin and they cannot refrain
4. Conclusion: Therefore sin is something good that results in God’s pleasure.
If God has decreed to dam a person forever in eternity and God is the only one who can act on their behalf to change their plight, then God's choosing them for destruction is the first cause of their destruction, not sin. Sin is just the gun God uses to destroy the sinner.
hope this helps !!!
According to Calvinist theory God hates most of humanity and is actively working to make sure they all end up in hell. That is a level of evil you should only attribute to Satan himself.
Billions of people are in hell because:
(1) they are not part of those who were Unconditionally Elected
(2) they were not granted Irresistible Grace
(3) because of sin that God unchangeably ordained by God for them to commit.
(4) because Jesus did not die for their sins.
People go to hell because of something God didn't do in them, not of anything they could have done.
Calvin teaches:
1. God wants people in hell
2. Humans can only go to hell if they have sin.
3. God decrees for people to sin and they cannot refrain
4. Conclusion: Therefore sin is something good that results in God’s pleasure.
If God has decreed to dam a person forever in eternity and God is the only one who can act on their behalf to change their plight, then God's choosing them for destruction is the first cause of their destruction, not sin. Sin is just the gun God uses to destroy the sinner.
hope this helps !!!
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