Jesus is God, One with the Father

[atpollard]

Yes, Romans 10:9,10 I know it well!

But where does that say I am supposed to confess that God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? where does that say that I must believe that God is a Triune being?

And here is another scripture whereby we will be saved:
And the jailer called for lights and rushed in, and trembling with fear he fell down before Paul and Silas. Then he brought them out and said, “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.” [Acts 16:29-31]
And then there is John 3:16 . . . Ephesians 2, etc.

Ok, let’s look at YOUR choice of Acts 16. The word for “Lord” is “kyrios” [G2962]. Notice its use in Acts 16:31-32

Acts 16:31-32 [NASB] 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord[G2962] Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32 And they spoke the word of God[G2962] to him together with all who were in his house.

• Kyrios (Lord) [G2962] literally means “he to whom a person or thing belongs” in Greek.
• To whom do YOU belong? God or Jesus Christ?
• Note in v.32 it says the word of “Kyrios” (GOD).
• Note in v.31 Jesus is “Kyrios” (GOD).
• The same “one to whom we belong” - same “Kyrios” - same “God” - same “Lord” (with a capital L).

This is the truth that YOU reject. This is “CHRISTOLOGY”. This is the difference between a Christian worshipping Jesus and a Muslim honoring Jesus.

 

[amazing grace]

Ok, let’s look at YOUR choice of Acts 16. The word for “Lord” is “kyrios” [G2962]. Notice its use in Acts 16:31-32

Acts 16:31-32 [NASB] 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord[G2962] Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32 And they spoke the word of God[G2962] to him together with all who were in his house.

• Kyrios (Lord) [G2962] literally means “he to whom a person or thing belongs” in Greek.
• To whom do YOU belong? God or Jesus Christ?

Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. [John 14:1]

• Note in v.32 it says the word of “Kyrios” (GOD).

Word of the Lord would be the Lord Jesus from verse 32.

• Note in v.31 Jesus is “Kyrios” (GOD).

It reads: 'Believe in the Lord Jesus' ......

• The same “one to whom we belong” - same “Kyrios” - same “God” - same “Lord” (with a capital L).

Please note: Paul and Silas are addressed as 'Sirs' in verse 30 and that is 'kyrios'.
Using your logic is Paul and Silas also God?

This is the truth that YOU reject. This is “CHRISTOLOGY”. This is the difference between a Christian worshipping Jesus and a Muslim honoring Jesus.

This is the truth that YOU ignore. This is Christology.
This is the difference between Jesus Christ the one who was sent and God his Father the one who sent him.

 

[atpollard]

Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. [John 14:1]

Word of the Lord would be the Lord Jesus from verse 32.

It reads: 'Believe in the Lord Jesus' ......

Please note: Paul and Silas are addressed as 'Sirs' in verse 30 and that is 'kyrios'.
Using your logic is Paul and Silas also God?

This is the truth that YOU ignore. This is Christology.
This is the difference between Jesus Christ the one who was sent and God his Father the one who sent him.

Thank you.
You have proven my point: Just like a Muslim, you reject Christology.

So why are you HERE (in the Christology section)?

 

[amazing grace]

Thank you.
You have proven my point: Just like a Muslim, you reject Christology.

So why are you HERE (in the Christology section)?

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Thank you - You have also proven my point......flawed logic and if flawed in reading scripture then also flawed when assessing the character of a person who just doesn't agree with your Christology yet probably agrees with you on every other topic, i.e. a brother or sister in Christ.

 

[brightfame52]

Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the Lord

Jehovah, the self-existing, eternal, and immutable Being; this is doubled for the confirmation of it, and to exclude all others: and besides me there is no Saviour;

either in a temporal or spiritual sense; the gods of the Heathens could not save them out of their present troubles, and much less save them with an everlasting salvation; none but God can do this, and this is a proof that Christ is God, since none but God can be a Saviour.https://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/isaiah-43-11.html

 

[brightfame52]

Scripture which clearly indicates Jesus, the Son of God, shares a equality with God the Father making Him therefore God Heb 1:8

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

By claiming to be the Son of God He claimed equality with God, hence the jews perceiving that, charged Him with Blasphemy Jn 5:18

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[amazing grace]

Scripture which clearly indicates Jesus, the Son of God, shares a equality with God the Father making Him therefore God Heb 1:8

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

By claiming to be the Son of God He claimed equality with God, hence the jews perceiving that, charged Him with Blasphemy Jn 5:18

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Hebrews 1:8 is currently discussed at The Trinity study, plural references to God in the Old Testament: Plural nouns, pronouns, verbs, adverbs.

By claiming to be the Son of God he claimed to be the Christ, the Messiah, the anointed of God.

Jesus did frequently tell them that God was his Father.......their accusation in turn was that Jesus was 'making himself equal with God' but throughout the gospel we see Jesus is very much in submission to his Father.....IOW, it was a false accusation.

 

[FreeInChrist]

Scripture which clearly indicates Jesus, the Son of God, shares a equality with God the Father making Him therefore God Heb 1:8

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

By claiming to be the Son of God He claimed equality with God, hence the jews perceiving that, charged Him with Blasphemy Jn 5:18

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Rejoice and be glad for on this day you wont have me to contend with very much as I am moving ... The furniture goes today... Ill be at the hotel for the next 3 nights and access will be sparce to a PC.

What are you talking abpout..............................

Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith
Who is saying this to the Son?
It is the person saying this to the Son that is making Him equal... NOT THE SON HIMSELF.
Psalm 45:6 Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of uprightness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
Isaiah 9:6-7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. / Of the increase of His government and peace there will be no end. He will reign on the throne of David and over his kingdom, to establish and sustain it with justice and righteousness from that time and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of Hosts will accomplish this.

Revelation 19:11-16
Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. / He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. / He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God. ...
Philippians 2:9-11
Therefore God exalted Him to the highest place and gave Him the name above all names, / that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, / and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Whoa to those who deny that Jesus is to be worshipped. It is because only God is to be worshipped they say. Well the Father says to worship the Son... that is definitive proof Jesus is God.

And just look what the Father said here....

Jeremiah 23:5-6
Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch, and He will reign wisely as King and will administer justice and righteousness in the land. / In His days Judah will be saved, and Israel will dwell securely. And this is His name by which He will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.

The LORD our God said his this about The LORD Our Righteousness.
Both LORDS are in caps = both are God
Who here remembers what was said in Micha?
Micah 5:2
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come forth for Me One to be ruler over Israel—One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity.
will come forth for ME .... Me is in caps as Me is God YHWH. And what does God say??????????????????????????????????/ One whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity.

How much more proof does anyone need that the Word/Jesus was in eternity past.

Well, lucky you.... I am out of time.

 

[brightfame52]

By claiming to be the Son of God he claimed to be the Christ, the Messiah, the anointed of God.

Thats included

Jesus did frequently tell them that God was his Father.......their accusation in turn was that Jesus was 'making himself equal with God' but throughout the gospel we see Jesus is very much in submission to his Father

Yes

..IOW, it was a false accusation.

No Claiming to be the Son of God was claiming equality with God. It denoted a claim to be of the same essence as the Father.

 

[amazing grace]

Thats included

Yes

No Claiming to be the Son of God was claiming equality with God. It denoted a claim to be of the same essence as the Father.

The unbelieving Jews accused Jesus of MAKING HIMSELF out to be equal with God, claiming something he was NOT and had to right to claim. The unbelieving Jews did not believe Jesus was the promised Messiah.
You can hang in that group and agree with their position all you want.

 

[brightfame52]

The unbelieving Jews accused Jesus of MAKING HIMSELF out to be equal with God,

correct as the Son of God.

claiming something he was NOT and had to right to claim. The unbelieving Jews did not believe Jesus was the promised Messiah

Okay. The Messiah is the Son of God, the Christ Matt
16:16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ[Messiah], the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

You can hang in that group and agree with their position all you want.

The Messiahship and the Son of God are one and the same

 

[amazing grace]

correct as the Son of God.

Okay. The Messiah is the Son of God, the Christ Matt
16:16-17

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ[Messiah], the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

The Messiahship and the Son of God are one and the same

READ a little more CAREFULLY:

The unbelieving Jews accused Jesus of MAKING HIMSELF out to be equal with God, claiming something he was NOT and had to right to claim. The unbelieving Jews did not believe Jesus was the promised Messiah.
You can hang in that group and agree with their position all you want.

Yes, agreed, the Son of God is synonymous with being the Messiah.

 

[brightfame52]

READ a little more CAREFULLY:

Yes, agreed, the Son of God is synonymous with being the Messiah.

Jesus in His claim as the Son of God was claiming equality with God, they understood His Claim was designating Him God. He told them He and the Father are One Jn 10:30-33

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Jn 5:18

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus was claiming equality of essence with the One God

That word equal is the greek word isos:

1. equal, in quantity or quality

Same word as in Phil 2:6

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
That was his Mind Vs 5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

 

[amazing grace]

Jesus in His claim as the Son of God was claiming equality with God, they understood His Claim was designating Him God. He told them He and the Father are One Jn 10:30-33

30 I and my Father are one.

31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Yes, I've read it....the Jews who did not believe he was who he had been telling them .... that God was his Father thus he was the Son of God, the Messiah. So their conclusion, their accusation against him was - because you, being a man, make yourself God - The language 'make yourself God' means that you are intentionally misrepresenting yourself but the thing is Jesus was not misrepresenting himself and never did misrepresent himself. It was the Jews who did not believe he was the Son of God the Messiah and that Jesus was misrepresenting who he was.

Jn 5:18

18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Jesus was claiming equality of essence with the One God

That word equal is the greek word isos:

1. equal, in quantity or quality

Same word as in Phil 2:6

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
That was his Mind Vs 5

Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

How can one be equal to an 'essence'? What exactly is an 'essence' and is God just an 'essence'?

By Jesus saying that God was his Father, in their minds Jesus was 'making himself equal with God' same type of language used previously (John 10:33) intentionally misrepresenting oneself but the thing is Jesus was not misrepresenting himself and never did misrepresent himself.

Yeah, Jesus did not grasp at equality with God ---- of course, if as you say he was God then why would he need to grasp at equality with God? Paul is teaching humility to the church at Philippi.

 

[brightfame52]

How can one be equal to an 'essence'? What exactly is an 'essence' and is God just an 'essence'?

Try using a dictionary and look up essence or google "one essence"

Yeah, Jesus did not grasp at equality with God ---- of course, if as you say he was God then why would he need to grasp at equality with God? Paul is teaching humility to the church at Philippi.

I know what he is teaching. Here is a Divine Being, equal with God, taking on servanthood for a redemptive purpose. The point is He thought it not robbery in His Glorified pre incarnate state to be equal with God.

Your problem is you dont understand what Son of God means biblically, He's God becoming a Man or Son of God becoming a Man for a redemptive purpose. You are rejecting revelation

 

[amazing grace]

Try using a dictionary and look up essence or google "one essence"

<snip> How can one be equal to an 'essence'? What exactly is an 'essence' and is God just an 'essence'? <snip>

I thought I could get a Trinitarian to explain it to me since it is derived from their doctrine. I haven't seen where scriptures only speak of God as an 'essence'.

I know what he is teaching. Here is a Divine Being, equal with God, taking on servanthood for a redemptive purpose. The point is He thought it not robbery in His Glorified pre incarnate state to be equal with God.

But Paul doesn't say that Jesus is equal with God.......

Your problem is you dont understand what Son of God means biblically, He's God becoming a Man or Son of God becoming a Man for a redemptive purpose. You are rejecting revelation

I understand perfectly well who the man of Nazareth, Jesus, the Son of God is biblically........“You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” [Matt. 16:16] Even the demons knew who he was.......And demons also came out of many, crying, “You are the Son of God!” But he rebuked them and would not allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ. [Luke 4:41]
She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.” [John 11:27]
but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. [John 20:31] So, biblically Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God.

 

[brightfame52]

But Paul doesn't say that Jesus is equal with God.....

The Holy Spirit did Phil 2:5

 

[brightfame52]

The fact that Jesus is the Lord of Glory intimates He is God in His Divinity 1 Cor 2:8

8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
This probably looks back to Ps 24:7-8
7 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; and be ye lift up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.

8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle.

i believe it was Jesus here who appeared to Abraham Acts 7:2

And he said, Men, brethren, and fathers, hearken; The God of glory appeared unto our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopotamia, before he dwelt in Charran,

James 2:1

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

 

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'Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God
with all thine heart,
and with all thy soul,
and with all thy might.'
(Deu 6:4-5)

Hello @civic,

This caught my eye this week in my marginal notes, regarding the word, 'One' in Deuteronomy 6:4 above, and I thought it would be good to share it here:-

ONE:- Hebrew ’ehad (H259) = a compound unity (Latin. unus), one made up of others:

Examples of Scriptural usage:-
Gen_1:5, one of seven;
Deu_2:11, one of four;
Deu_2:21, one of twenty-four;
Deu_2:24, one made up of two;
Deu_3:22, one of the Trinity:
Deu_49:16, one of twelve;
Num_13:23, one of a cluster.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Ok, let’s look at YOUR choice of Acts 16. The word for “Lord” is “kyrios” [G2962]. Notice its use in Acts 16:31-32

Acts 16:31-32 [NASB] 31 They said, "Believe in the Lord[G2962] Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." 32 And they spoke the word of God[G2962] to him together with all who were in his house.

• Kyrios (Lord) [G2962] literally means “he to whom a person or thing belongs” in Greek.
• To whom do YOU belong? God or Jesus Christ?
• Note in v.32 it says the word of “Kyrios” (GOD).
• Note in v.31 Jesus is “Kyrios” (GOD).
• The same “one to whom we belong” - same “Kyrios” - same “God” - same “Lord” (with a capital L).

This is the truth that YOU reject. This is “CHRISTOLOGY”. This is the difference between a Christian worshipping Jesus and a Muslim honoring Jesus.

'But of Him are ye in Christ Jesus,
Who of God is made unto us
wisdom, and righteousness,
and sanctification, and redemption:
That, according as it is written,
He that glorieth, let Him glory in the Lord.'
(1Cor. 1:30)

Hello @atpollard,

The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ has placed us, 'in' Christ. We have been 'accepted in the Beloved' (Eph. 1:6).

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris