Jesus denied being God

Jimmy's men wrote it this way.

John 3:16​

King James Version​

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


So funny that those who change the wording in the Bible seem to do and use to make their own points.

So funny that those who have their minds set on something will fight against and argue against even something like the Peshitta.... when it supports their beliefs on hpw things are or were written.

Peshitta .... 16For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.

Would it not behove to us to delve into that word begotten for true understanding?

Why do some use it and others do not?

New International Version
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

New Living Translation
“For this is how God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

English Standard Version
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Berean Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

Berean Literal Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, so that everyone believing in Him should not perish, but should have eternal life.

King James Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

New King James Version
For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.

New American Standard Bible
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish, but have eternal life.

NASB 1995
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

NASB 1977
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Legacy Standard Bible
“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Amplified Bible
“For God so [greatly] loved and dearly prized the world, that He [even] gave His [One and] only begotten Son, so that whoever believes and trusts in Him [as Savior] shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Christian Standard Bible
For God loved the world in this way: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
“For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life.

American Standard Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
For God loved the world in this way: so much that he would give up his Son, The Only One, so that everyone who trusts in him shall not be lost, but he shall have eternal life.

Contemporary English Version
God loved the people of this world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who has faith in him will have eternal life and never really die.

Douay-Rheims Bible
For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.

English Revised Version
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God loved the world this way: He gave his only Son so that everyone who believes in him will not die but will have eternal life.

Good News Translation
For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not die but have eternal life.

International Standard Version
"For this is how God loved the world: He gave his unique Son so that everyone who believes in him might not be lost but have eternal life.

Literal Standard Version
for God so loved the world that He gave the only begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him may not perish, but may have continuous life.

Majority Standard Bible
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

New American Bible
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him might not perish but might have eternal life.

NET Bible
For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

New Revised Standard Version
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life.

New Heart English Bible
For God loved the world in this way: He gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish, but have everlasting life.

Webster's Bible Translation
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only-begotten Son, that whoever believeth in him, should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Weymouth New Testament
For so greatly did God love the world that He gave His only Son, that every one who trusts in Him may not perish but may have the Life of Ages.

World English Bible
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only born Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Young's Literal Translation
for God did so love the world, that His Son -- the only begotten -- He gave, that every one who is believing in him may not perish, but may have life age-during.

Get to the root cause of the differences and you might just find the truth, without guess work
It is a matter of translation and the fact Jesus was not literally begotten by God

Here the term is used in relation to the resurrection

Acts 13:33 (KJV 1900) — 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
 
Find a verse which states you are

the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Or a verse which states you existed in the form of God before you were born on earth
The brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person is referring to the messiah, the son of God.
 
That appears to be bald denial




How many appear in the passage

Who are speaking?

Who is Thomas stated to be speaking to

Only by adding to the text what is not there can one imagine Thomas is speaking to one not before him
There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not. Only in the minds of Catholics who cannot explain it.
 
There is not one verse that says Jesus is God the Son. Nor has there ever been a teaching on it anywhere in the Bible. The Jews never saw it anywhere in the entire Old Testament nor anyone in the New Testament ever taught it. The Catholics who invented this nonsense have used only about 8 verses that they have to piece together from statements that are scattered all over the New Testament. One should think if such nonsense was true and important that it would have been taught by someone. And it is not. Only in the minds of Catholics who cannot explain it.
Now you are just denying scripture which calls Jesus God

John 20:28–29 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Titus 2:13 (NIV) — 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (NIV) — 1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

John 1:1–4 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
 
The brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person is referring to the messiah, the son of God.
So how many men fulfill this description

Hebrews 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
 
So how many men fulfill this description

Hebrews 1:1–3 (KJV 1900) — 1 GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
The son. Not the God. The Messiah. Not any man.
 
Now you are just denying scripture which calls Jesus God

John 20:28–29 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Titus 2:13 (NIV) — 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (NIV) — 1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

John 1:1–4 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Nowhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. A couple of paragraphs or a chapter. There is nothing. All you keep putting in front of me are scraps pieced together from verses scattered all over the Bible and you call that a teaching.
 
What is above the angels? How about "brightness of His person"

You're not paying attention to the words you're reading.

So when are you going to start doing what Jesus did?
There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Nowhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. A couple of paragraphs or a chapter. There is nothing. All you keep putting in front of me are scraps pieced together from verses scattered all over the Bible and you call that a teaching.
 
There's no teaching on the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Nowhere. Not in the Old or New Testament. A couple of paragraphs or a chapter. There is nothing. All you keep putting in front of me are scraps pieced together from verses scattered all over the Bible and you call that a teaching.

So you expect to have your questions approved without answering any yourself.
 
Now you are just denying scripture which calls Jesus God

John 20:28–29 (NIV) — 28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

Titus 2:13 (NIV) — 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

2 Peter 1:1 (NIV) — 1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

John 1:1–4 (NIV) — 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.
yes not just up a creek with no paddle but in the depths of the river De Nile drowning. :)
 
It is a matter of translation and the fact Jesus was not literally begotten by God

Here the term is used in relation to the resurrection

Acts 13:33 (KJV 1900) — 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
Repeat.

Find a proper explanation for the word begotten and quit assuming you know what is meant when there is nothing written to support what you believe.

Every translation is faulty at best for not everything can be translated between languages.

There is a fact.

The man Jesus did walk on this ball of mud.

If He was not here by God.... then HOW?

Start with:

Christianity.com


IN PART:

https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/?t...what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word-begotten.html
Begotten is a word that is used throughout the Bible in different contexts and with different implications. In the King James Bible, the word "begotten" actually occurs 24 times from Genesis to Revelation.

The expression "only begotten Son" appears in John 3:16, where it is written in the King James Version as follows: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Monogenes - Begotten Definition​

Begotten is the English translation of the Greek word "Monogenes," meaning "single of its kind, only." This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

"It’s this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB, and NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn’t God; i.e., that Jesus isn’t equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text," writes GotQuestions.org



According to the New Testament Greek Lexicon, Monogenes can be used in two contexts:
  1. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
  2. used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
The Greek word "monogenes" comes from the terms "Monos," meaning "alone (without a companion), only, merely," and "Ginomai," meaning "to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being."
That is, Jesus is the only begotten Son. It should be understood that monogenes is not referring to being created or conceived as if Jesus wasn’t eternal, for Jesus always has and will always be God eternal.
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)

"Begotten" in the Bible​

The word "begotten" is used in the Bible to describe the unique relationship between God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son. This term is used to clarify the special nature of Jesus's relationship with God as part of the Holy Trinity and to distinguish Him from created beings.




In the Bible, the phrase "only begotten Son of God" is only used to refer to Jesus Christ. This phrase is used to emphasize that Jesus is the only Son of God who is both fully God and fully human. He is not simply a human being who is somehow special or divine, but he is both God and man in one person. This unique relationship is central to the Christian understanding of God and salvation.
 
Repeat.

Find a proper explanation for the word begotten and quit assuming you know what is meant when there is nothing written to support what you believe.

Every translation is faulty at best for not everything can be translated between languages.

There is a fact.

The man Jesus did walk on this ball of mud.

If He was not here by God.... then HOW?

Start with:

Christianity.com


IN PART:

https://twitter.com/intent/tweet/?text=What is the Meaning of "Begotten" in the Bible? &url=https://www.christianity.com/wiki/christian-terms/what-is-the-meaning-of-the-word-begotten.html
Begotten is a word that is used throughout the Bible in different contexts and with different implications. In the King James Bible, the word "begotten" actually occurs 24 times from Genesis to Revelation.

The expression "only begotten Son" appears in John 3:16, where it is written in the King James Version as follows: "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Monogenes - Begotten Definition​

Begotten is the English translation of the Greek word "Monogenes," meaning "single of its kind, only." This word is variously translated into English as "only," "one and only," and "only begotten."

"It’s this last phrase ("only begotten" used in the KJV, NASB, and NKJV) that causes problems. False teachers have latched onto this phrase to try to prove their false teaching that Jesus Christ isn’t God; i.e., that Jesus isn’t equal in essence to God as the Second Person of the Trinity. They see the word "begotten" and say that Jesus is a created being because only someone who had a beginning in time can be "begotten." What this fails to note is that "begotten" is an English translation of a Greek word. As such, we have to look at the original meaning of the Greek word, not transfer English meanings into the text," writes GotQuestions.org



According to the New Testament Greek Lexicon, Monogenes can be used in two contexts:
  1. used of only sons or daughters (viewed in relation to their parents)
  2. used of Christ, denotes the only begotten son of God
The Greek word "monogenes" comes from the terms "Monos," meaning "alone (without a companion), only, merely," and "Ginomai," meaning "to become, i.e. to come into existence, begin to be, receive being."
That is, Jesus is the only begotten Son. It should be understood that monogenes is not referring to being created or conceived as if Jesus wasn’t eternal, for Jesus always has and will always be God eternal.
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am. (John 8:58)

"Begotten" in the Bible​

The word "begotten" is used in the Bible to describe the unique relationship between God the Father and Jesus Christ, His Son. This term is used to clarify the special nature of Jesus's relationship with God as part of the Holy Trinity and to distinguish Him from created beings.




In the Bible, the phrase "only begotten Son of God" is only used to refer to Jesus Christ. This phrase is used to emphasize that Jesus is the only Son of God who is both fully God and fully human. He is not simply a human being who is somehow special or divine, but he is both God and man in one person. This unique relationship is central to the Christian understanding of God and salvation.
You nowhere contradicted anything I stated, so it is rather puzzling why you state
Find a proper explanation for the word begotten and quit assuming you know what is meant when there is nothing written to support what you believe.
 
Seems you don't take this seriously.
Chuckle!! I don't take your silly religious "Word Games seriously"

I trust my PERSONAL LIFE and SALVATION in my FAITH in Jesus' SIN OFFERING FOR ME on the cross.

I don't pretend (like you do) to understand the Fullness nor the absolute nature of God, but the Bible presents: FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit, and that settles it. Your Silly attempts to prove otherwise are child's play to dismiss as just more religious/theological foolishness.
 
Chuckle!! I don't take your silly religious "Word Games seriously"

I trust my PERSONAL LIFE and SALVATION in my FAITH in Jesus' SIN OFFERING FOR ME on the cross.

I don't pretend (like you do) to understand the Fullness nor the absolute nature of God, but the Bible presents: FATHER, SON and Holy Spirit, and that settles it. Your Silly attempts to prove otherwise are child's play to dismiss as just more religious/theological foolishness.
But I believe the same thing about Jesus' sin offering. What's your point about word games then?
 
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