Jesus denied being God

How much plainer can you get than the lord and my God. And Jesus blessing upon those who would so believe even though not having seen him
He probably said my Lord and my god. It was common in those days to refer to great man as a god. This was done for rulers and kings and certainly anyone who just got up from the dead. It's about understanding the culture that the words were written in. Something I keep saying that falls on deaf ears.
 
He probably said my Lord and my god. It was common in those days to refer to great man as a god. This was done for rulers and kings and certainly anyone who just got up from the dead. It's about understanding the culture that the words were written in. Something I keep saying that falls on deaf ears.
Sorry no it was not common for a monotheist Jew to refer to a man as my God

You cannot show anywhere in scripture that a mere man is called my lord and my God

massive fail
 
Sorry no it was not common for a monotheist Jew to refer to a man as my God

You cannot show anywhere in scripture that a mere man is called my lord and my God

massive fail
Even the devil is called a god. Not God. A god. Do you want that verse? But again, these are not teachings. There's no teaching about the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Just these little words that are not understood in the culture they were written in or poor translations. Just little bits and pieces scattered all over the Bible. No teaching on it. Not even once.
 
Even the devil is called a god. Not God. A god. Do you want that verse? But again, these are not teachings. There's no teaching about the trinity anywhere in the Bible. Just these little words that are not understood in the culture they were written in or poor translations. Just little bits and pieces scattered all over the Bible. No teaching on it. Not even once.
but Not my lord and my God by a monotheistic Jew
 
Stop the game playing

No Jew would recognize one who is but a man as his lord and his God
I don't play games. Jesus Christ was never a mere man. And he was not recognize by anyone as God. He is the son of God, the Messiah, and the resurrected Christ. Not "but a man" or a "mere" man.
 
I don't play games. Jesus Christ was never a mere man. And he was not recognize by anyone as God. He is the son of God, the Messiah, and the resurrected Christ. Not "but a man" or a "mere" man.
Sorry Thomas refutes your claim

John 20:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And Jesus approved of the confession
 
.
FAQ: Why does the Watchtower Society's Bible capitalize "God" in John 20:28 when
that spelling contradicts their opposition to Jesus' divinity?


REPLY: It is a Watchtower Society rule of grammar that capitalization is required
when the Greek word theós is modified by the article ho.

However, I don't recommend making an issue of capitalization in this particular
case because skilled JW missionaries can easily dodge that bullet. Instead, focus
the attention upon Thomas' possessive pronoun because he not only addressed
Jesus as a deity; but also addressed him as "my" deity. In point of fact, the
Society's Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures ©1969 renders
Thomas' statement like this:

"The Lord of me and the God of me."

Now if Thomas was a Jew; then his association with Jehovah was governed by the
covenant that Moses' people entered into with God per Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers,
and Deuteronomy. The very first of the covenant's ten commandments forbids Jews
to have more than one deity; and by saying nothing to Thomas about addressing
someone other than Jehovah as his deity, Jesus would've been in violation right
along with Thomas because the Jews' covenant requires him to protest.

Lev 19:17 . .You should by all means reprove your associate, that you may not
bear sin along with him.

Now, the million-dollar question is: If Jesus was Thomas' deity, and if Jesus
permitted himself to be addressed as Thomas' deity; then why isn't Jesus the
Watchtower Society's deity?
_
 
Sorry Thomas refutes your claim

John 20:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And Jesus approved of the confession
It would be wrong to confuse what Thomas said as an address to Jesus. This is exactly why no one will translate this verse, unless they want to be funny, as “You are my Lord and my God.”

Not only does the Greek reject the idea, but context does as well. Just a few verses back in John 20:17, Jesus identified Thomas’ God as the Father. Full stop. Jesus never told anyone he is their god and no one ever addressed him as such.

On the matter of what Jesus replied to Thomas with, it would be a huge stretch to say Jesus approved of it. Jesus, to the contrary, said that only those who have not seen and believe are blessed while Thomas was a believer in Jesus’ resurrection because he saw it. I’m pretty sure Jesus does not approve that Thomas didn’t meet the qualification of being blessed. He didn’t even acknowledge what Thomas said.

Provided the preponderance of evidence, Thomas made a declaration about God but didn’t address Jesus as such.
 
Last edited:
It would be wrong to confused what Thomas said as an address to Jesus.
Huh? Who else was "Lord" in the room? The Butler?
This is exactly why no one will translate this verse, unless they want to be funny, as “You are my Lord and my God.”
Huh? It's been translated thousands of times throughout the last two millenniums. Nobody got your memo not to do so.
Not only does the Greek reject the idea, but context does as well.
Huh? How so?
Just a few verses back in John 20:17, Jesus identified Thomas’ God as the Father. Full stop.
That proves Trinitarianism. Your unitarian presuppositions are blinding you to what Thomas said.
Jesus never told anyone he is their god and no one ever addressed him as such.
Read John 5:58.
On the matter of what Jesus replied to Thomas with, it would be a huge stretch to say Jesus approved of it. Jesus, to the contrary, said that only those who have not seen and believe are blessed while Thomas was a believer in Jesus’ resurrection because he saw it. I’m pretty sure Jesus does not approve that Thomas didn’t meet the qualification of being blessed. He didn’t even acknowledge what Thomas said.
A unitarian Jesus would have immediately corrected Thomas. That never happened.
 
Sorry Thomas refutes your claim

John 20:28 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

And Jesus approved of the confession
In your mind Thomas called Jesus God. Not in my mind. And calling someone anything is not doctrine. It's not a teaching. It's not a chapter or two explaining it. Something this important should have been taught in both the Old and New Testament. And there's nothing.
 
In your mind Thomas called Jesus God. Not in my mind. And calling someone anything is not doctrine. It's not a teaching. It's not a chapter or two explaining it. Something this important should have been taught in both the Old and New Testament. And there's nothing.
Then your mind is in denial and you do not value the word of God

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Hebrews 1:8–12 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.


Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government shall be upon his shoulder: And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Old and New Testament
 
These guys are pretty good. I listened to a few of them...

video:

Five Major Problems With The Trinity - by Sean Finnegan​

I guess this guy was ignorant about the Trinity and could only repeat the arguments that we have already heard here. I expected he would have had something different to contribute since the video was ostensibly shared to give insight into the "problems" of the Trinitarian Godhead. This video was made for the Arian choir, not to address serious Trinity concepts.

One of the worst points was that the councils leading to the trinitarian concurrence were divisive. That is as if to say that the Arian heresy was not a divisive stance. The councils were there to get the minds of the bishops together to sort the ideas out in the best fashion.

The other stupid point was to identify 3 options about the Trinity or alternatively that it was an oral tradition. The trinity concept did not have to be considered by the apostles or other early Christians. So Sean made a strawman argument against the Trinity.

You would think the Arian advocates would have arguments figured out by now.
 
Then your mind is in denial and you do not value the word of God

John 20:28–29 (KJV 1900) — 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. 29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

Hebrews 1:8–12 (KJV 1900) — 8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.


Isaiah 9:6 (KJV 1900) — 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: And the government shall be upon his shoulder: And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.


Old and New Testament
None of your above verses hold water. Only in your mind do you see a trinity. Others do not. I told you this many times about how the word "God" is used in the Bible and this is an historic truth that we know. It's not just me saying it. And you refuse to believe it. Some Biblical Unitarians believe that Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 are calling the Messiah “god.” They recognize that this king is not being called “God” with a capital “G,” but they think the Messiah is being called “god,” and they translate both Psalm 45:6 and Hebrews 1:8 as having “god” with a lowercase “g.” It is true that in the biblical languages, including Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek, and Latin, the word “GOD” had a much broader meaning than it does today (Hebrew and Aramaic have only uppercase letters, and all the ancient Greek manuscripts were in capital letters, so the manuscripts all read “GOD”). In the biblical languages, “GOD” was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including angels and demons, lesser gods, great people, rulers, and people acting with God’s authority. The word “God” in both Hebrew and Greek could refer to a human being, especially a human being acting under God’s authority.
 
Wow. The Unitarian view sounds more devilish as they share more concepts. I'm not sure how that wins arguments against the Trinity nature of God
 
Back
Top Bottom