All I can assume is that you are not following the discussions. He says all these religions are pointing to the same god and all people have to do is repent within their religion and they will be saved.
Jesus denied being God
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Peterlag
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I do believe there's no trinity and I find no trinity in every verse that you say supports the trinity. It got very heated when conversing with another on here who would accuse not what I posted as being not correct, but saying because I did not personally write what I was posting that somehow that made the data not correct. Such thinking I consider foolish.yet you do not use exegesis in your method but instead eisegesis since you read every passage in the Bible through a unitarian lens which is biased and reveals your personal presuppositions when reading the scriptures.
That is a fact and you failed the college course of Hermeneutics 101.
conclusion : guilty as charged.
hope this helps !!!
Concerning what you post above... yeah, I am 100 percent biased because I don't see the trinity anywhere. I have not really been given the opportunity to post many verses that I believe teach Jesus was a man because the group here keep yelling for me to answer their questions.
I believe even if I did post data showing that Jesus was a man that it would just be met with well, that was his man part being talked about because he put his God part aside. Even though there's no teaching that he put his man part aside or even how that could be possible. And even that is met with that all things are possible with God. So I can't win a debate where the rules are not the same. Things have to be possible and my side needs to be posted and talked about and not just ignored and then they post 25 other verses and ask me to respond to them.
So I'm taking a break from the thread for a while.
civic
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We can leave the " Trinity " out of the discussion for all I care.
The issue is what does the text say regarding Christ. And in many places He is identified as God in the text and called God by several Apostles in their writings. He is also worshiped and prayed to things only a Jew would apply to God, no mere man.
Your point about "Trinity" not needing to be part of this discussion is useful. My first concern is that people recognize the deity of Christ. When examining the NT writings, there was no challenge against the deity of Christ and thus no clarification of doctrines about that in the NT
Peterlag
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Jesus is not identified in the Bible as God. You see the trinity only if you read it with your Catholic brain. And don't say you're not Catholic because the trinity is a Catholic concept. Nobody ever wrote about it until they did. You say yeah the Bible did. I disagree.
Again we see that element common with the JWs about anachronistically attributing the nature of God narrowly to (Roman) Catholic doctrine. Also, Peterlag did not agree to focus on the deity of Christ issue rather than the Triune nature of God. The Council of Nicea was in 325 and only involves Christ. This is much earlier decision on the best representation of Christ's deity and avoids supposed politics of later years.
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civic
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You are Turning a blind eye to scripture and denying the clear teaching of the Apostles who called Him God. Those , John, Peter, Paul and the Author of Hebrews all identify Christ as God.
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I figured out the turing part quickly. The denting point was harder to deny. Forgive me for noting the typos.
civic
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yes those typos were pretty bad, sorry about that I fixed them.
He readily gives Glory to the God of Abraham and His Son, the Jesus "of the Bible", he just believes it was this same God that influenced other religions as well. He believes God will unite all religions unto Him. I don't agree with that and would hope he might consider that satan deceives through this world's religions, according to the Jesus of the Bible. But he isn't trying to convert you or me to his religion or discourage you from following the true teaching of Jesus at all. Just the opposite actually.
You miss it. He is rejecting the divinity of Christ in the Godhead. That is quite severe. He reduces Jesus to the equivalent of mere men.
That was easy - denying the "y" and the "t" are right next to each other on the keyboard
Less of a prophet than Mohammed
Sure. I have to improve my knowledge and intuition of typoology.
And he does the things only Yahweh is stated to do
MTMattie
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Peterlag
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Call it JW's, Deity, Triune, or before or after Nicea. Jesus is still not God and there's no God head person called the Holy Spirit.
Peterlag
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I don't see that in any Scripture. I believe if you do that something is wrong somewhere. Either a bad translation, or the verse taken out of context, or not understanding how the word was used in the culture.
How much plainer can you get than the lord and my God. And Jesus blessing upon those who would so believe even though not having seen him
