Jesus Christ is the wisdom and creation of God

civic said:
it may ot mention the word incarnation but its meaning/description is rather clear from John 1:1 and John 1:14. Also cf 1 John 1:1-4, 1 John 4:1-4, 2 John 1:7- all describing the Incarnation God in the flesh- see also Colossians 1:15-19 especially Colossians 1:19 cf Colossians 2:9. God became man is the Incarnation. These above passages are the biblical evidence for that fact. Your presuppositions as a unitarian will not allow you to see this truth.

hope this helps !!!
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So any time a thing "becomes" something else in the Bible it means it's an incarnation? Are you sure you're prepared to go down that road?

Please show me all of the verses in the Bible where the Word is a pre-existent person.
 
Runningman said:
So any time a thing "becomes" something else in the Bible it means it's an incarnation? Are you sure you're prepared to go down that road?

Please show me all of the verses in the Bible where the Word is a pre-existent person.
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See my thread called the Eternal Son
 
Runningman said:
Everything I said is still there and it will never be backtracked. I'm going full steam ahead.
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So you're going on record that you continue to promote the following you wrote. Excellent!!!
Runningman said:
In John 1:1 the Greek phrase καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος (“and the Word was God”) places theos first for emphasis. This is a well-known structure in Greek grammar to show nature, not identity. It’s not indefinite, it’s qualitative. John is saying the Word is of the same essence as God, but distinct from ton Theon (the Father)."
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Your statements that Greek grammar has the ability to show nature and that "John is saying the Word is of the same essence as God" proves that Jesus is God by nature, proving Trinitarianism.

Thanks so much for once again promoting Trinitarianism. Many of our greatest reasons for destroying unitarianism are a direct result of our discussions with you and you should be honorably recognized for that.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
 
synergy said:
So you're going on record that you continue to promote the following you wrote. Excellent!!!

Your statements that Greek grammar has the ability to show nature and that "John is saying the Word is of the same essence as God" proves that Jesus is God by nature, proving Trinitarianism.

Thanks so much for once again promoting Trinitarianism. Many of our greatest reasons for destroying unitarianism are a direct result of our discussions with you and you should be honorably recognized for that.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
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Means the Word is godly like God but is distinct from God, i.e., the Word is not literally God Himself. Thus the Word is not "Ton Theon" or "The God" in english. John 1:1 is a Unitarain proof text.
 
Runningman said:
Means the Word is godly like God but is distinct from God, i.e., the Word is not literally God Himself. Thus the Word is not "Ton Theon" or "The God" in english. John 1:1 is a Unitarain proof text.
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You already agreed that "John is saying the Word is of the same essence as God". That means Jesus possesses Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality. Don't tell me that you believe in a God that does not possess those attributes. This proves Trinitarianism once more.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
 
synergy said:
You already agreed that "John is saying the Word is of the same essence as God". That means Jesus possesses Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality. Don't tell me that you believe in a God that does not possess those attributes. This proves Trinitarianism once more.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
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The essence is godliness, the person is God. The Word is not the same person as God. I have completely debunked your religion and you seem to be agreeing with me since you're calling what we said an agreement.
 
Runningman said:
The essence is godliness, the person is God. The Word is not the same person as God. I have completely debunked your religion and you seem to be agreeing with me since you're calling what we said an agreement.
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So you don't believe God's essence has the attributes of Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality but is just "godly". Got it.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
 
synergy said:
So you don't believe God's essence has the attributes of Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality but is just "godly". Got it.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
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The subject is about the Word being theos which can mean godly.
 
Runningman said:
The subject is about the Word being theos which can mean godly.
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God's essence, which you agreed Jesus has, has the attributes of Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality. Therefore, Jesus is God and unitarianism has experienced once again an ignominious obliteration.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Pharisaic-like Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
 
synergy said:
God's essence, which you agreed Jesus has, has the attributes of Omnipotence, Omniscience, Omnipresence, and Eternality. Therefore, Jesus is God and unitarianism has experienced once again an ignominious obliteration.

Conclusion:
All unitarians are Pharisaic-like Judaizers. They are blind to the multiple OT Theophanies and to many NT verses, especially John 1:1.
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God did all the powerful works through Jesus-Acts 2:22
God gave Jesus all authority in heaven and on Earth and judging-Matt 28:18--John 5:27--
Jesus can do nothing of his own( John 5:19,30)

And when this starts=Rev 21:1-- 1Cor 15:24-28 occurs--Jesus must hand the kingdom back to his God and Father and subject himself.

Someone greater than Jesus gave him those things= his God and Father.=YHVH(Jehovah)
 
Runningman said:
Being granted/given all power
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Thus, Jesus is the Almighty (All-powerful).

Thanks.





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Post in thread 'The Trinity made easy'

Pancho Frijoles said:
First, don't dodge that Jesus claimed in Mathew 28:18 that his authority was given.
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The boldface below is mine.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. hh


I find it surprising that those who deny the Lord Jesus is God will sometimes refer to Matthew 28:18 and emphasize that Jesus was GIVEN His authority which they think proves Jesus is not God. Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all authority in that before His resurrection...
 
Fred said:
Thus, Jesus is the Almighty (All-powerful).

Thanks.





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Post in thread 'The Trinity made easy'

Pancho Frijoles said:
First, don't dodge that Jesus claimed in Mathew 28:18 that his authority was given.
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The boldface below is mine.

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. hh


I find it surprising that those who deny the Lord Jesus is God will sometimes refer to Matthew 28:18 and emphasize that Jesus was GIVEN His authority which they think proves Jesus is not God. Those who believe the Lord Jesus is God can account for the fact that He was "given" all authority in that before His resurrection...
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Not according to Scripture.

Revelation 1
4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from Him who is and was and is to come, and from the seven spiritsc before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To Him who loves us and has released us from our sins by His blood, 6who has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father—to Him be the glory and power forever and ever! Amen.
7Behold, He is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see Him—even those who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. So shall it be! Amen.
8“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, who is and was and is to come—the Almighty.

Revelation 22
22But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
 
DavidTree said:
JESUS Says: "ALL things have been given to ME from My FATHER"

If "ALL THINGS" were given to JESUS, then what was "not" , according to you???
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I mean anything Jesus has now is something he was given, but he doesn't hold greater authority than the Father. It's actually temporary as well. Psalm 110:1 says Jesus is at the right hand of God "until" his enemies as made his footstool and there are no examples of statements about Jesus being at the right hand of God in an alleged pre-existent state. Sorry, I know that isn't what you want to hear, but it's what you need to hear.
 
Runningman said:
I mean anything Jesus has now is something he was given, but he doesn't hold greater authority than the Father. It's actually temporary as well. Psalm 110:1 says Jesus is at the right hand of God "until" his enemies as made his footstool and there are no examples of statements about Jesus being at the right hand of God in an alleged pre-existent state. Sorry, I know that isn't what you want to hear, but it's what you need to hear.
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right Now/Today = What authority does the Lord Jesus Christ have?
 

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