Jesus Christ is the wisdom and creation of God

You have ZERO evidence that Lord Jesus Christ is not YHWH YAHshua HaMashicah

i KNOW & SEE what Elohim has said: "the WORD that was God from the Beginning" = "that WORD became flesh"

Furthermore, the OT Scriptures declare that the Lord Jesus Christ is YHWH YAHshua HaMashiach

Furthermore in the NT its is revealed as well

Finally, Revelation declares HE is the Alpha and the Omega
Step 1: YHWH is the Only God:

Deuteronomy 4:35, 39 - "To you it was shown, that you might know that YHWH is God; there is no other besides Him... Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that YHWH is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other."
Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one."
Isaiah 43:10-11 - "Before Me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me. I, I am YHWH, and besides Me there is no savior."
Isaiah 44:6, 8 - "Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, YHWH of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no god... Is there a God besides Me? There is no Rock; I know not any.'"​
Isaiah 45:5-6, 21-22 - "I am YHWH, and there is no other, besides Me there is no God... there is no other god besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."​
Joel 2:27 - "You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am YHWH your God and there is none else."

Step 2: YHWH is the Father:

Deuteronomy 32:6 - "Is not He your Father, who created you, who made you and established you?"​
Isaiah 63:16 - "For You are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; You, O YHWH, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is Your name."​
Isaiah 64:8 - "But now, O YHWH, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You are our potter; we are all the work of Your hand."​
Jeremiah 31:9 - "With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a Father to Israel."​
Malachi 2:10 - "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?"

Step 3: The New Testament identifies the Father as the only true God:

John 17:3 - "And this is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."​
1 Corinthians 8:6 - "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."​
Ephesians 4:6 - "One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."​
1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."​
Jude 1:25 - "To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen." (The Father is the "only God," with glory given through Jesus)​

Step 4: The New Testament equates the Father to YHWH:

Acts 2:20-21 - "The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord (YHWH) shall be saved."​
Romans 10:13 - "For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (YHWH) will be saved."​
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!"​

Step 5: Jesus is not YHWH:

Psalm 2:7 - I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father."​
Psalm 110:1 - "The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”​
YHWH, the Father, is the only God, there are no others, and He is the Christian God. Means the Trinity is false.​

Jesus is entirely distinct from YHWH:

Step 6: Jesus prays to the only true God, the Father, YHWH:
(Distinct in personhood)

John 17:1-3 - "Jesus spoke these things, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, 'Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You… And this is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.'"​
Matthew 26:39 - "And going a little farther He fell on His face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.'"​

Step 7: Jesus is subject to the only true God, YHWH, the Father: (Distinct in authority)

1 Cor. 15:27-28 - "For 'God has put all things in subjection under His feet.' But when it says, 'all things are put in subjection,' it is plain that He is excepted who put all things in subjection under Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be all in all."​
John 14:28 - "You heard Me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

Step 8: Jesus was sent by YHWH: (Distinct in mission)

John 8:42 - "Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of My own accord, but He sent Me.'"
Galatians 4:4 - "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law."​

Step 9: YHWH is Jesus' God and his disciples God: (Distinct in relationship and authority)

John 20:17 - "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."'"
Matthew 27:46 - "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'"

Step 10: YHWH exalts Jesus: (Distinct in glory)

Philippians 2:9-11 - "Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow… and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Acts 2:36 - "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."​
Step 11: Jesus is mediator between YHWH and mankind: (Distinct in role)

1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Step 12: Jesus is not to be worshiped as God: (Distinct in worship and identity)

Revelation 19:10 - "Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.'"
Revelation 22:8-9 - "I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me. But he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.'"
Matthew 4:10 - "Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.'"

Means Jesus isn't YHWH, means Jesus isn't God, means the Christian God is YHWH, the Father. The trinity isn't God.
 
Step 1: YHWH is the Only God:

Deuteronomy 4:35, 39 - "To you it was shown, that you might know that YHWH is God; there is no other besides Him... Know therefore today, and lay it to your heart, that YHWH is God in heaven above and on the earth beneath; there is no other."
Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear, O Israel: YHWH our God, YHWH is one."
Isaiah 43:10-11 - "Before Me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after Me. I, I am YHWH, and besides Me there is no savior."
Isaiah 44:6, 8 - "Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, YHWH of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last; besides Me there is no god... Is there a God besides Me? There is no Rock; I know not any.'"​
Isaiah 45:5-6, 21-22 - "I am YHWH, and there is no other, besides Me there is no God... there is no other god besides Me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other."​
Joel 2:27 - "You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am YHWH your God and there is none else."

Step 2: YHWH is the Father:

Deuteronomy 32:6 - "Is not He your Father, who created you, who made you and established you?"​
Isaiah 63:16 - "For You are our Father, though Abraham does not know us, and Israel does not acknowledge us; You, O YHWH, are our Father, our Redeemer from of old is Your name."​
Isaiah 64:8 - "But now, O YHWH, You are our Father; we are the clay, and You are our potter; we are all the work of Your hand."​
Jeremiah 31:9 - "With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a Father to Israel."​
Malachi 2:10 - "Have we not all one Father? Has not one God created us?"

Step 3: The New Testament identifies the Father as the only true God:

John 17:3 - "And this is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."​
1 Corinthians 8:6 - "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist."​
Ephesians 4:6 - "One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all."​
1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."​
Jude 1:25 - "To the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen." (The Father is the "only God," with glory given through Jesus)​

Step 4: The New Testament equates the Father to YHWH:

Acts 2:20-21 - "The sun shall be turned to darkness and the moon to blood, before the day of the Lord comes, the great and magnificent day. And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord (YHWH) shall be saved."​
Romans 10:13 - "For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord (YHWH) will be saved."​
1 Peter 1:3 - "Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!"​

Step 5: Jesus is not YHWH:

Psalm 2:7 - I will proclaim the decree spoken to Me by the LORD: “You are My Son; today I have become Your Father."​
Psalm 110:1 - "The LORD said to my Lord: “Sit at My right hand until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.”​
YHWH, the Father, is the only God, there are no others, and He is the Christian God. Means the Trinity is false.​

Jesus is entirely distinct from YHWH:

Step 6: Jesus prays to the only true God, the Father, YHWH: (Distinct in personhood)

John 17:1-3 - "Jesus spoke these things, and lifting up His eyes to heaven, He said, 'Father, the hour has come; glorify Your Son, that the Son may glorify You… And this is eternal life, that they know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.'"​
Matthew 26:39 - "And going a little farther He fell on His face and prayed, saying, 'My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.'"​

Step 7: Jesus is subject to the only true God, YHWH, the Father: (Distinct in authority)

1 Cor. 15:27-28 - "For 'God has put all things in subjection under His feet.' But when it says, 'all things are put in subjection,' it is plain that He is excepted who put all things in subjection under Him. When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to the One who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be all in all."​
John 14:28 - "You heard Me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."

Step 8: Jesus was sent by YHWH: (Distinct in mission)

John 8:42 - "Jesus said to them, 'If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of My own accord, but He sent Me.'"
Galatians 4:4 - "But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth His Son, born of woman, born under the law."​

Step 9: YHWH is Jesus' God and his disciples God: (Distinct in relationship and authority)

John 20:17 - "Jesus said to her, 'Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to My brothers and say to them, "I am ascending to My Father and your Father, to My God and your God."'"
Matthew 27:46 - "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, 'Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?' that is, 'My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me?'"

Step 10: YHWH exalts Jesus: (Distinct in glory)

Philippians 2:9-11 - "Therefore God has highly exalted Him and bestowed on Him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow… and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."
Acts 2:36 - "Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified."​
Step 11: Jesus is mediator between YHWH and mankind: (Distinct in role)

1 Timothy 2:5 - "For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."

Step 12: Jesus is not to be worshiped as God: (Distinct in worship and identity)

Revelation 19:10 - "Then I fell down at his feet to worship him, but he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers who hold to the testimony of Jesus. Worship God.'"
Revelation 22:8-9 - "I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I heard and saw them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who showed them to me. But he said to me, 'You must not do that! I am a fellow servant with you and your brothers the prophets, and with those who keep the words of this book. Worship God.'"
Matthew 4:10 - "Then Jesus said to him, 'Be gone, Satan! For it is written, You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve.'"

Means Jesus isn't YHWH, means Jesus isn't God, means the Christian God is YHWH, the Father. The trinity isn't God.
You are comparing OT to NT that is written in two different languages = as Intended by the LORD/YHWH/the WORD that was God

You also do not BELIEVE the WORD therefore you cannot SEE the WORD that was God in the beginning

Thus you are trapped inside your own mind.

You search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. - John 5:39
 
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That's a prooftext for Jesus not being all-powerful. If he was already all powerful then why did the authority need to be given to him?
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
You are comparing OT to NT that is written in two different languages = as Intended by the LORD/YHWH/the WORD that was God

You also do not BELIEVE the WORD therefore you cannot SEE the WORD that was God in the beginning

Thus you are trapped inside your own mind.

You search the scriptures; for in them you think you have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. - John 5:39
OT defines the NT. The God of the NT is YHWH the Father. That's why Jesus says his God is the Father and everyone else in the NT says that Jesus' God is the Father and that our God as Christians is the Father. Nothing has changed except for the covenant. You guys have reallllllllly taken this Trinity idea way too far and made it a separate religion.
 
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Begin with Philippians 2:5 where this is a teaching for the Philippians on how to have the mind of Jesus. Jesus didn't consider himself equal with God because that isn't what Paul was telling the church of Philippi to believe. This passage is translated a dozen different ways because Trinitarians want it to go their way, but the context ultimately denies a Trinity. Jesus claimed to be less than God elsewhere and the conclusion of Paul's statement is that only the Father gets the glory, not the Trinity.
 
You already admitted He had all power.

Thanks.


All power = Omnipotent = The Almighty
Jesus isn't all powerful. He has authority that God gave him, but not the power of God.

Matthew 28
18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.
 
OT defines the NT. The God of the NT is YHWH the Father. That's why Jesus says his God is the Father and everyone else in the NT says that Jesus' God is the Father and that our God as Christians is the Father. Nothing has changed except for the covenant. You guys have reallllllllly taken this Trinity idea way too far and made it a separate religion.
OT and NT define each other

JESUS Says: "no one have either heard the FATHER's voice at anytime nor has anyone seen His form"

the Word that was Elohimis the One Speaking in the OT

THAT is why the son of man/JESUS the Christ calls God His FATHER

Presently you are unable to perceive THAT
 
OT and NT define each other

JESUS Says: "no one have either heard the FATHER's voice at anytime nor has anyone seen His form"

the Word that was God is the One Speaking in the OT

THAT is why the son of man/JESUS the Christ calls God His FATHER

Presently you are unable to perceive THAT
I just proved to you that Jesus isn't God and that YHWH is the only God and that's all you have?
 
I just proved to you that Jesus isn't God and that YHWH is the only God and that's all you have?
You just proved that you do not have the Holy Spirit to open the Scriptures to you.

Example: Jeremiah 30:15

This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.
 
@Fred Jesus is not all powerful. Here are some examples.

1. Jesus is dependent on others to spread his message (Acts 1:6-8)
2. No universal reign due to his victory being delayed until a future time. (Revelation 20-22) and Jesus is not at the right hand of God eternally (1 Corinthians 15:25)
 
You just proved that you do not have the Holy Spirit to open the Scriptures to you.

Example: Jeremiah 30:15

This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: “In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.
You've just proved that you are no different than an atheist or a Muslim who rejects the Scriptures. Thoughts and prayers.
 
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