James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?

Claims it but doesn't quote himself saying it. Exposes himself once again as being dishonest.

In reality any person at any time in history that claimed James' work was not the work of the Holy Spirit is the true heretic.
These men are not true Bible believers.
Just as men today claim to believe in the Bible yet reject the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

I challenge anyone to claim Paul's epistles were not Inspired? Anyone dare deny Paul's work is not God breathed?
I challenge anyone to deny that the books of the Apostle John are not Inspired? Anyone dare to make such claim?
I challenge anyone to deny that James the brother of Jesus and John taught different doctrines, which would mean they taught different gospels? Anyone dare make this claim?
I challenge anyone to claim that Apostles of God(Paul and John) would not approve of a mans work in the church of Christ and at the same time work directly with him endorsing his doctrine?


James, Paul and John all taught the doctrine of the Lord. Which is the faith. Which is the gospel.

Acts 13:7-12,
- which was with the deputy of the country Sergius Paulus a prudent man, who called for Barnabas and Saul and desired to hear the word of God(gospel)

- but Elymas the sorcerer withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from,
the faith(the gospel)

- then Saul who is also called  Paul filled with the Holy Spirit set his eyes on him
- and said, O full of all subtility and all mischief thou child of the devil thou enemy of all righteousness wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord

- and now behold the hand of the Lord is upon thee and thou shalt be blind not seeing the sun for a season and immediately there fell on him a mist and darkness and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand

- then the deputy when he saw what was done believed being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord(the gospel)

Acts 13:5,
- and when they were at Salamis they preached the word of God(the gospel) in the synagogues of the Jews and they had also  John to their minister

You must learn the word of God is the faith and the faith is the gospel of Christ. The teaching is the doctrine of Christ.
Paul and the apostle John both teach the same doctrine,gospel, faith, word of God.

There is only one gospel, therefore only one faith, therefore only one doctrine.

Ephesians 4:4-5,
- one Lord, One faith(gospel), one baptism

Acts 13:8,
- but Elymus the sorcerer withstood them seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith (gospel)

Jude 3,
- beloved when I gave all diligence unto you to write to you of the common salvation it was needful for me to write unto you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith(the gospel)

Now that we have established by scripture that the faith is the gospel and that teaching of the gospel is the one doctrine that both apostles Paul and John preached.

Let's see what John and Paul think of James' doctrine. Do they approve?

James 1:18,
- of His own will(Gods will) begat He us(James and christians like him) with,
The word of truth

James claims he is teaching the will of God.
Let's find out if John and Paul agree.

This James is the brother of Jesus. One of the first brothers in Christ to be martyred.
Acts 12:1:2,
- now about that time Herod the king stretched forth his hands to vex certain of the church
- and he killed James the brother of John(apostle) with the sword

Now we have established the apostle John and James are brothers by birth.
James is dead. James is a member of the church of Christ.

Now let's hear what Paul has to say about James the brother of John.

Galatians 1:19,
- but other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lords brother
James was the half brother of Jesus and John.

Galatians 2:8-9,
- for he that Wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship, of the circumcision the same was mighty in me(Paul) toward the gentiles
- and when  James, Cephas and John who seemed to be PILLARS perceived the grace that was given unto me and Barnabas THE RIGHT HANDS OF FELLOWSHIP that we(Paul and Barnabas) unto the heathen and they(James, Cephas, John) unto the circumcision

I encourage you to read all of Galatians chapter 1 and 2.

Now Paul calls James a pillar in the church along with John.
Pillar: literal a strong supporting column that holds up a building.
Figurative: a key foundational leader. One who supports holds up the church.

Question?
Does Paul speak of James in the negative or the positive?
Does Paul give any indication that James is a wolf among sheep in the Lords church?
Or does Paul approve and endorse James as one of the pillars leaders in the Lords church.
I'll let the scriptures speak for themselves.

Notice who is going to the circumcision with James? That would be the apostle John.
Would John and Paul fellowship with James if he taught another doctrine that was not their own?
I think these questions are too obvious not to understand what the apostles think of James and his teaching/doctrine.

Again I'll let the Apostles speak for themselves. Let's listen to what the apostle John has to say about felloeshipping with someone who does not teach the doctrine of Christ,
2 John 9:19-11,
- whosoever transgresseth and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ hath not God
He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ he hath both the Father and the Son
- if there come unto you and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him Godspeed
- for he(includes John and Paul) that bideth him Godspeed is a partaker of his evil deeds(works)

Do you remember Paul and John having fellowship with James in Galatians 2?
Even going on missionary trips with James to preach this one doctrine of Christ His gospel?

Romans 16:17,
- now I beseech you brethren mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned and avoid them

Conclusion:
To be blunt.
I could care less what these men have to say about James and his epistle.
I'll take Gods Holy Apostles word everytime over heretics that deny the pillar in the church whom God approves!!!
Ah, but it was one of the heretics who got James in
 
Conclusion:
To be blunt.
I could care less what these men have to say about James and his epistle.
I'll take Gods Holy Apostles word everytime over heretics that deny the pillar in the church whom God approves!!!
to be blunt

You do not care about the gospel. or about how we are saved.

James is written to non believers who claim to have faith. He is not writing to believers and telling them they must work to be saved. but that if they had true saving faith it would be evidenced by at lease some works. the fact they had zero zip nada works proved their faith was dead.

James also did not contradict paul. Who said matter of fact. we are saved by grace alone. (for by grace we have been saved)

but this salvation is through faith. NOT OF WORKS

Paul said grace and works do not mix

Paul said not even our good deeds can save us, but only Gods mercy

to be blunt. get off your high horse and stop attacking people who do not agree with you. You have far to many issues yourself to try to help others when you do not realize yourself how one is saved

all you care about is making sure you puff yourself up and you are right, and can prove everyone wrong.
 
Ah, but it was one of the heretics who got James in
Seriously? So Paul approves of the pillar in the lords church who got "in" by another heretic?
Paul and John got some serious explaining to do before God on judgment day.
Also to deny the book of James as not part of Gods canon is to deny the promises of God.

1Peter 1:24-25,
- for all flesh is as grass and the glory of man as the flower of grass the grass withereth and the flower fadeth away,
but the word of the Lord endureth forever and this is the word of the Lord

God does not allow His word to be destroyed!!!
If it is added to it has been lost.
If it has been taken away it is lost.
Deuteronomy 4:2,
- ye shall not add unto the word which I command you
- neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that they may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

Revelation 21:18-19
- and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the Holy city and from things which are written in this book,
- for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book if any man shall add unto these things God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

People who claim to be believers but deny the Holy Bible is untrustworthy being perverted by man is exactly what Muslims and atheists claim.
I'll stand with the promises of God.
I am a true Bible believer and that's why I teach the Bible gospel.
 
Seriously? So Paul approves of the pillar in the lords church who got "in" by another heretic?
Paul and John got some serious explaining to do before God on judgment day.
Also to deny the book of James as not part of Gods canon is to deny the promises of God.

1Peter 1:24-25,
- for all flesh is as grass and the glory of man as the flower of grass the grass withereth and the flower fadeth away,
but the word of the Lord endureth forever and this is the word of the Lord

God does not allow His word to be destroyed!!!
If it is added to it has been lost.
If it has been taken away it is lost.
Deuteronomy 4:2,
- ye shall not add unto the word which I command you
- neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that they may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you

Revelation 21:18-19
- and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy God shall take away his part out of the book of life and out of the Holy city and from things which are written in this book,
- for I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book if any man shall add unto these things God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book

People who claim to be believers but deny the Holy Bible is untrustworthy being perverted by man is exactly what Muslims and atheists claim.
I'll stand with the promises of God.
I am a true Bible believer and that's why I teach the Bible gospel.
Paul was long dead before James got in.
 
I have a question for anyone who has been debating salvation with or with out works.

Especially @mailmandan and @Titus

I have my own opinion on the subject and that will remain between God and me.

But how about both of you explaining Matt 5:18 and what that means to salvation.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

On the one hand we have the salvation by faith only folks, and on the other we have the salvation by faith plus works people.

Doesn't Matt 5:18 suggest that following God's commandments and understanding their fulfillment in Christ is relevant to salvation and good works?

I am not saying it. Jesus did.
There are certain folks who would argue that since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still in effect and still binding on New Testament Christians. I've heard certain Seventh Day Adventists make that argument and those same folks have ended up teaching a false gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

Here is one example below. This statement below was once made to me by an SDA on a Christian forum:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Now if the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose and been fulfilled. If the Law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 5:15,16,18; 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9) ✝️
 
Paul was long dead before James got in.
I'll take Paul's own words in his epistle over your understanding or lack there of.
Galatians 1:17-18,
- neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me but I went into Arabia and returned again unto Damascus
- then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter and abode with him fifteen days
- but other apostles I saw none  EXCEPT James the Lords brother

Gods word says Paul knew James which I already pointed out since they were all on missionary trips together.
If you are not interested in reading closely what I took the time to explain to you.
Then please don't ask me questions.

I will admit I was mistaken. I've forgotten that the James in Acts 12, is not the same James Paul knows in Galatians.
So I apologize for the mistake.
Going by memory can fail sometimes.
 
There are certain folks who would argue that since Jesus did not “abolish” the Law, then the Law is still in effect and still binding on New Testament Christians. I've heard certain Seventh Day Adventists make that argument and those same folks have ended up teaching a false gospel of "salvation by grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

Here is one example below. This statement below was once made to me by an SDA on a Christian forum:

The counterfeit Gospel is out there. What is the other Gospel? It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation. God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.

Now if the Law is still binding on us today, then it has not yet accomplished its purpose and been fulfilled. If the Law, as a legal system, is still binding on us today, then Jesus was wrong in claiming to fulfill it and His sacrifice on the cross was insufficient to save. Thank God, Jesus fulfilled the whole Law and now grants us His righteousness as a free gift. (Romans 5:15,16,18; 6:23; Ephesians 2:8,9) ✝️
Wheres your quotation of yourself answering my question.
You lied again and said you already answered it.
No you have not.
My question again,
When a person obeys any, any, any, of Gods commandments. Is it possible for one to obey the commandments of God and not do a good work.

Quote yourself answering my question.
Why cant you be honest?
 
Wheres your quotation of yourself answering my question.
You lied again and said you already answered it.
No you have not.
My question again,
When a person obeys any, any, any, of Gods commandments. Is it possible for one to obey the commandments of God and not do a good work.

Quote yourself answering my question.
Why cant you be honest?
You really seem determined to keep this flapjack on the griddle. I already answered your question in post #434 and elsewhere. Give it a rest I have been honest and believing in Jesus for salvation is not just another good work in a series of good works in a quest to obtain salvation by good works as you so desperately want to believe.
 
Either you don't read my posts or else you are just plain lazy. Post #434 is on the previous page.
btw, I stopped reading your posts since they are lies about my beliefs.
I never believed in nor ever will a merit based salvation gospel.
That is literally impossible, Ephesians 2:8-9.
 
I figured you were too lazy to quote yourself so I did it for you.
Truth be told you don't have any answer to my question.
You made up your own question then answered it.
I answered your loaded question. You just did not like my answer to your question because it's not the answer that your itching ears so desperately wanted to hear. Too bad. You are starting to sound illusion.
 
btw, I stopped reading your posts since they are lies about my beliefs.
I never believed in nor ever will a merit based salvation gospel.
That is literally impossible, Ephesians 2:8-9.
I have told no lies about your beliefs. Merit based salvation is not merely based on perfectly obeying the law. You would still be meriting salvation (at least in part) by being saved by works (at least in part) and you clearly teach salvation by faith AND WORKS. So, there is merit (at least in part) based on your faith/works hybrid gospel. You just don't seem to realize it.
 
I have told no lies about your beliefs. Merit based salvation is not merely based on perfectly obeying the law. You would still be meriting salvation (at least in part) by being saved by works (at least in part) and you clearly teach salvation by faith AND WORKS. So, there is merit (at least in part) based on your faith/works hybrid gospel. You just don't seem to realize it.
You're lying right now.
 
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