James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?

Belief is a work, John 6:28-29.
John 6:
28hen they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

why do you insist continually misrepresenting Jesus and his words to support your works based Gospel?

THIS IS THE WORK OF GOD.

what is this?

THAT YOU BELIEVE

You do not get credit for believing, and you did not merit salvation because you believed. God gets it all.

You just chose not to remain in unbelief
 
This is the work (singular) of God (play on words) in contrast to what shall we do that we may work the works (plural) of God (legalistic approach) So, belief is not just another work in a series of works in a quest to obtain salvation by works. God imputes righteousness apart from works. (Romans 4:6) We are saved through faith, not works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

It's not a lie that you teach salvation by faith "conjoined" with works and try to pass that off as salvation by grace through faith.

Asked and answered. Who obeys Jesus' New Testament commandments? Believers or unbelievers? To believe in the name of His Son, Jesus Christ in 1 John 3:23 is not a work for salvation but an acceptance of the person and work of Jesus Christ. (John 1:12) This belief is distinct from good works which result from saving faith in Christ. (Ephesians 2:8-10)

I answered your loaded question and salvation through faith is not salvation by good works. You are trying to turn belief in 1 John 3:23 into just another good work in a series of good works in a quest to receive salvation by good works. You tried to pull the same stunt with John 6:29. Not buying it Titus.

Since you teach that salvation is maintained by good works, do you believe the command to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ in 1 John 3:23 is a command for unbelievers to initially come to believe and be saved or to believers to continue to believe and remain saved? Are we created in Christ Jesus for good works (Ephesians 2:10) or is it the other way around?

I did answer your question. Salvation by faith is not salvation by good works. You verbally confirm salvation by faith, but in practice, you emphasize human actions and obedience to rules as a prerequisite to receiving and maintaining salvation, which essentially undermines the concept of salvation as a free gift received by grace through faith and implies that individuals must somehow work for and merit (at least in part) salvation through their actions/performance. Yet you deny no merit is involved.

1 John 3:23 summarizes two Christian principles. To believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. Titus turns this command into salvation by works and makes no distinction between faith and good works. To label believing as just another good work makes it easier for Titus to pool multiple other good works together and pass salvation by good works off as salvation through faith. Very crafty!

Hebrews 11:1 defines faith for us. Faith "is" the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. Titus' definition of faith "is" good works. It makes it easier for him to teach salvation by works that way, but it's all just smoke and mirrors.

Works-salvationists have not obeyed the command to believe. Titus does not understand the difference between believing and working. (Romans 4:4-6) It's one thing to obey a command in order to become saved and it's another thing to obey a command after we have been saved. For Titus everything is a command for salvation and a work for salvation. Such confusion!

Works of obedience are produced out of faith but are not the very essence of faith. Just like Roman Catholics you basically redefine faith 'as" works and make no distinction between faith and works. Roman Catholics make the same error and argue that faith "includes" - being water baptized, partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, works of mercy and charity, obeying his commandments etc.. It's a package deal of mental assent belief "infused" with works righteousness disguised as salvation through faith. (Galatians 1:6-9)

Obeying the commandment to believe (1 John 3:23) is not a work for salvation and neither is obeying the gospel by choosing to believe the gospel. (Romans 10:16) Receiving a free gift is not working for salvation. From beginning (Ephesians 2:8) to end (1 Peter 1:9) we merit nothing through believing because through believing (Romans 3:24-26) we are trusting in Another's work (Christ's finished work of redemption). Jesus Christ receives all the merit.

I answered your loaded question and the gospel of Christ which is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes that I teach still stands. (Romans 1:16) ✝️ Your works based false gospel is easy to expose. (Romans 3:24-26; 4:5-6; 11:6; 1 Corinthians 1:18-21; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)

Be sure to go back and thoroughly read through post #415. It cuts right to the heart of your error in regard to works salvation. Now apart from the imputed righteousness of God which is by faith and the blood of Christ to wash away our sins this is how God see's us - But we are all like an unclean thing and all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags.. (Isaiah 64:6)

Being accounted as righteous by works = merit no matter how much you try and sugar coat it. Paul refutes you. (Romans 4:2-6) So, no merit involved in obtaining and/or maintaining salvation by good works because you are simply doing what God says to do? :oops: That makes about as much sense as winning a gold medal in the Olympics = no merit because I was just doing what my coach told me to do. See your logic? Seeking salvation by works is not obeying God. (Romans 4:2-6)

Salvation by faith is not meritorious works salvation until you "add" works to saved through faith, which you have. You even basically redefine faith "as" works. What a mess! Your gospel is an oxymoron.

Now there is a difference between doing God's will in order to become saved: John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in Him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

doing God's will after we have been saved: 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - Now we exhort you, brethren, warn those who are unruly, comfort the fainthearted, uphold the weak, be patient with all. See that no one renders evil for evil to anyone, but always pursue what is good both for yourselves and for all. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
I am amazed that people teach works.

then are called out

then deny they teach works.

then attack those who try to show them what they believe as bearing false witness against them..

this alone should deep inside their souls show there is something wrong with their thinking (pride)
 
Since you like asking loaded questions, I have a question for you. Please explain to me which good works (James 2:15-16) could a Christian accomplish that are "completely detached" from these two great commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) which are found in the law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18) Is the law of Moses merely limited to ceremonially laws?
You are proving you are an unfair and deceptive man.
You never answered my question.
When one obeys any, any, any of Jesus' commandments in His new testament gospel.
Is it possible to obey Gods commandments and not do a good work?

Dan refuses to answer simple questions knowing it will expose his lies about belief being a good work of obedience.

So to your question.
First we are not under the law of Moses so I dont care what commandments are given under the old law.
I'm not obligated to do/keep any of them.

Is the law of Moses merely limited to ceremonially laws?
No, all of the law is the law.
Many religions try to separate the 10 commandments from ceremonial law. They all are in the law of Moses.
Since you like asking loaded questions,
They are only "losded" to you because they expose your gospel to be false.
They are simple straight forward questions that any man that is honest could easily answer.

, I have a question for you. Please explain to me which good works (James 2:15-16) could a Christian accomplish that are "completely detached" from these two great commandments (Matthew 22:37-40) which are found in the law of Moses? (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18)
The book of James is only dealing with the new covenant, the gospel of Jesus Christ.
No works of the laws of Moses are being discussed by James.
Matthew 22:37-40 is the law of Moses.
You want to know which good works could a Christian accomplish that are completely detached from these two great commandments by doing the works mentioned by James 2:15-16?

James 2:15-16,
- if a brother or sister be naked and destitute of daily food and one of you say unto them, depart in peace be ye warmed and filled notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body: what doth it profit

- Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love thy Lord God with all thy heart and with all thy soul and with all thy mind,
- this is the first and great commandment
- and the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself

They are not detached by moral standards. Meaning Gods moral standard.
They both are teaching love for God by loving others as God loves everyone.
We must love as God loves.

Gods moral standard is general. Gods morality does not change.
But clearly God has a new covenant that ended the old covenant.
So James is teaching good works in the new covenant which do overlap as moral by their nature.
Again God is the origin of morality.
His morality does not change.
So you will see the same moral standard throughout the entire Bible.
That doesn't mean God did not institute new laws under different covenants.

The old covenant Mosaical law could not free you from sin.
The new covenant which is what James is teaching can.
That is the biggest difference between the two.

That's why James calls Christ new testament law the perfect law of liberty
It liberates all who obey it from there sins.
James 1:25,
- but whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty and continueth therein he being not a forgetful hearer but a DOER of the word this man shall be blessed in his deed/works

Just say it. By faith AND WORKS. That is exactly where your eisegesis takes you.
I dont have a problem with saying it that way, lol

True Biblical saving faith produces obedient works everytime. This an obedient faith, Romans 16:26,
- God made known to al, nations for obedience of faith
Galatians 5:6,
- for in Jesus Christ neither circumcision nor uncircumcision profits anything but faith working by love

Paul's definition of profitable faith has works. Faith and works.
 
Belief is a work, John 6:28-29.
IF it is Gods work ......

28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

.......... then how is it our work?

IMO it is poorly phrased. Unless it is meant that by we believing it is God's work to make us believe?

I believe. I have faith. For me it is not a work but an absolute priviledge because at any moment God could wipe that from me if
he so chooses.
 
IF it is Gods work ......

28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

.......... then how is it our work?

IMO it is poorly phrased. Unless it is meant that by we believing it is God's work to make us believe?

I believe. I have faith. For me it is not a work but an absolute priviledge because at any moment God could wipe that from me if
he so chooses.
it means God did the work of drawing you to him. Of teaching y9ou about him. of giving you the ability to know everything you need to know so you can make an informed decision.

Hence he gets the credit not you

Not of works lest anyone should boast.

No one can boast because they trusted another to do ALL the work required to save them..
 
IF it is Gods work ......

28 Therefore they said to Him, “What shall we do, so that we may work the works of God?”

29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.”

.......... then how is it our work?

IMO it is poorly phrased. Unless it is meant that by we believing it is God's work to make us believe?

I believe. I have faith. For me it is not a work but an absolute priviledge because at any moment God could wipe that from me if
he so chooses.
Another excellent question.

All works that are in Gods new testament gospel are works of God.
The reason is they come or orginanate from His mind.
Man did not think or create with his own mind how God would save us.

God created His own plan of salvation.
Belief in Him is His work as I already taught.
Therefore any commandment He gives is His work, He is the Author of those commandments.
Man did not come up with these commandments.
Therefore when man obeys one of Gods commandments like belief.
Man is not working his own works i.e. works of man.

Man when obeying God is working Gods works.

Not one work of man saves. All works of men is evil, Ephesians 2:8-9 boastful works).
Only the works of God save.

Works of God examples,

Creating new spiritual life, John 3:5-8.
Drawing people to Christ, John 6:44-45.
Giving faith to believe, Phil. 1:29.
Justifying sinners, Romans 8:30.
Sanctifying and preserving believers 1Thessalonians 5:23-24.

Works of men,

Law keeping without faith, Luke 18:9-14.
Ritualism and sacrifices without faith, Gen. 4:3-5.
Self righteous deeds, Paul calls these dead works, Hebrews 6:1.
Using Human wisdom over using Gods wisdom, 1Corinthians 1:18-25.

Believing, repentance, confessing faith in Jesus, being baptized into Christ are all required in Jesus' gospel to be saved.
Not one of these works are mans works.
They are the works of God because He authorized them.
We must work the works of God to be saved by Gods grace and mercy.
 
Another excellent question.

All works that are in Gods new testament gospel are works of God.
The reason is they come or orginanate from His mind.
Man did not think or create with his own mind how God would save us.

God created His own plan of salvation.
Belief in Him is His work as I already taught.
Therefore any commandment He gives is His work, He is the Author of those commandments.
Man did not come up with these commandments.
Therefore when man obeys one of Gods commandments like belief.
Man is not working his own works i.e. works of man.

Man when obeying God is working Gods works.

Not one work of man saves. All works of men is evil, Ephesians 2:8-9 boastful works).
Only the works of God save.

Works of God examples,

Creating new spiritual life, John 3:5-8.
Drawing people to Christ, John 6:44-45.
Giving faith to believe, Phil. 1:29.
Justifying sinners, Romans 8:30.
Sanctifying and preserving believers 1Thessalonians 5:23-24.

Works of men,

Law keeping without faith, Luke 18:9-14.
Ritualism and sacrifices without faith, Gen. 4:3-5.
Self righteous deeds, Paul calls these dead works, Hebrews 6:1.
Using Human wisdom over using Gods wisdom, 1Corinthians 1:18-25.

Believing, repentance, confessing faith in Jesus, being baptized into Christ are all required in Jesus' gospel to be saved.
Not one of these works are mans works.
They are the works of God because He authorized them.
We must work the works of God to be saved by Gods grace and mercy.
and remember, this user claims he does not teach a works based/merit based salvation..
 
and remember, this user claims he does not teach a works based/merit based salvation..
That's correct.
Faith is never alone, James 2:24.
The faith that saves is the faith that obeys Gods commandments.

So obedient faith is true saving Biblical faith. Romans 16:26
We are saved by grace through faith when faith is properly defined, Ephesians 2:8-9.
Never once does the Bible teach we are saved by faith alone, James 2:24.
 
That's correct.
Faith is never alone, James 2:24.
The faith that saves is the faith that obeys Gods commandments.

Yes. But salvation happens the moment we are call out in faith.

Not decades later after we have done some works
So obedient faith is true saving Biblical faith. Romans 16:26
Never said otherwise
We are saved by grace through faith when faith is properly defined, Ephesians 2:8-9.
Faith is properly defined as have assurance, Confidence, or trust in someone or something

Are you preaching a confident or assured faith. or a wishy washy faith that may have works?


Never once does the Bible teach we are saved by faith alone, James 2:24.
actually. although the word alone is not used. faith alone )or rather, faith minus any works) is taught all throughout the word.

But I understand, like a modern day pharisee. you must pump your chest of how thankful you are your not like us sinners that Jesus saved
 
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