I meant to say: "will add that infants are NOT pure and innocent as you are saying."
James' Teaching On Justification: Before Men Or Before God?
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"How does one get saved in Christ?" A awkward question you are asking. How does one get into Christ, or how does one become a child of God ~ would be a more intelligent biblical question. Let me give you a bible answer to the latter, and actually the first as well.
"According to"....Agreeing; harmonizing and 2. Suitable; agreeable; in accordance with. It signifies a state of agreement, conformity, or correspondence between two things, or a reference to a source or authority
And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”
There has never been a time God did not view us in Christ, never ~ Legally speaking. Practically, yes, some were in Christ before others, but not legally.
You folks just cannot get away from calling others faith "Calvinism" when they teach unconditional election by grace. Why do you not take what I believe and teach and prove it unbiblical with the scriptures, and if one has the truth, it will expose error, without name calling ~you must interject Calvinism into your argument and the reason being, is that you have no other strong points to use other than that, because you know that Calvinism is a hated teaching by most, especially so by those who preach conditions to be met, before one can be saved from their sins and condemnation, so you folks just cannot stop yourself. You asked:
"How does one get saved in Christ?" A awkward question you are asking. How does one get into Christ, or how does one become a child of God ~ would be a more intelligent biblical question. Let me give you a bible answer to the latter, and actually the first as well.
Ephesians 1:4
“According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:”Ephesians 1:5
“Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,”Ephesians 1:7
“In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;”2 Timothy 1:9
“Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,”"According to"....Agreeing; harmonizing and 2. Suitable; agreeable; in accordance with. It signifies a state of agreement, conformity, or correspondence between two things, or a reference to a source or authority
All of the elect have been part of Christ's body from eternity, there has never been a time when they have not been view by God as not part of Christ elect body, he being the head and they his members. How else are you going to understand such scriptures and there are many more, but for now:
Ephesians 2:5
“Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.”There has never been a time God did not view us in Christ, never ~ Legally speaking. Practically, yes, some were in Christ before others, but not legally.
Chosen in Christ, per Paul. The only way you and your false cult believes one is in Christ is though water baptism. Water Baptism puts one into the religion/faith of Christ only, nothing more. We shall consider Romans 6:1-4 later.
Coming back to make a separate post on these scriptures.
@Titus
Do I need to give more proof? John rules out three main sources men would claim that plays a part in the new birth. Man's will, the will of another man desiring folks to be born again, and blood as many of the Jews and modern day fundamentalist's believes that the Jews are God chosen people simply by the fact they are Jews by nature.
There are four requirements for a scriptural baptism, and this one verse teaches three of them. The three requirements taught here are the proper subject, mode, and design of baptism. It is amazing to see what modern translations have done to corrupt all three requirements.
Baptism is a figure of resurrection, as the verse’s grammar requires, and as the Bible teaches. The grammar, by ignoring the parenthetical element, connects the figure to resurrection. Bible baptism, which is immersion or submersion, is a picture of burial and resurrection. Paul thoroughly identified the burial and resurrection figure of water baptism (Romans 6:1-5). Without this understanding of baptism = resurrection, you have no hope with 1st Corinthians 15:29.
The condition for baptism is a good conscience, which requires maturity and regeneration! A bad conscience is under condemnation and guilt of sin without remedy (Hebrews 10:1-3). A good conscience must hear and believe the true gospel of forgiveness and justification.
The apostle John said that you and your false religion is a lie.
John 1:13
“Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.”Do I need to give more proof? John rules out three main sources men would claim that plays a part in the new birth. Man's will, the will of another man desiring folks to be born again, and blood as many of the Jews and modern day fundamentalist's believes that the Jews are God chosen people simply by the fact they are Jews by nature.
Water baptism does indeed put us INTO Christ, into his rellgion/faith/teachings, etc. When one is baptized, he is confessing that he believes the record God gave of his Son and he is making a commitment to live according to the teaching of the word of God conceding Jesus Christ.
1st Peter 3:21
“The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:”The like figure.
There are two figures or pictures here – the ark in the previous verse, baptism in this verse. A figure is a symbolic picture representing something in reality (Romans 519; Hebrews 9:9. The adjective like indicates the figure of baptism is similar to another figure in context. The adverb also in this first clause further confirms at least two things being considered. Noah’s ark and water baptism are two figures: both are a picture of salvation in Christ. Most translations and commentators have only one figure – the ark is a figure of baptism! They have a vested interest in baptism not being a figure – for most are baby sprinklers.There are four requirements for a scriptural baptism, and this one verse teaches three of them. The three requirements taught here are the proper subject, mode, and design of baptism. It is amazing to see what modern translations have done to corrupt all three requirements.
Baptism is a figure of resurrection, as the verse’s grammar requires, and as the Bible teaches. The grammar, by ignoring the parenthetical element, connects the figure to resurrection. Bible baptism, which is immersion or submersion, is a picture of burial and resurrection. Paul thoroughly identified the burial and resurrection figure of water baptism (Romans 6:1-5). Without this understanding of baptism = resurrection, you have no hope with 1st Corinthians 15:29.
Whereunto even baptism.
Having introduced Noah and the ark for several reasons, Peter applied its figure to baptism. To this point in 1st Peter 3:18-22, no reader could know where he was going until these words.Doth also now save us.
The adverb also in this first clause further confirms at least two figures are being considered. The ark literally saved from water; Jesus literally saved His elect from the second death. The ark figuratively saved by figuring Jesus; baptism figuratively saves by figuring Jesus. How does baptism save? It saves figuratively, because baptism has been defined as a figure. There is real salvation in Jesus Christ’s resurrection mentioned in this verse (Romans 4:25). Baptism pictures that resurrection in a figure by its burial and rising again from water. There is no real saving efficacy, power, value in baptism, for the next clause confirms it. When the Bible says baptism washes away sins (Acts 22:16), it only does so figuratively. A good conscience answering God in baptism is evidence of eternal life (Mark 16;16). The will and works of man are entirely rejected as having any role in eternal life whatsoever.Not the putting away of the filth of the flesh.
A very damning and destructive heresy in church history is the premise that baptism saves. Once you accept this premise for your reasoning, then you will corrupt so much more truth. Since water may not be available for an immersion, you will invent sprinkling or pouring. Since many died in infancy, heretics comforted mothers by baptizing their babies, and the consistent Presbyterians doing this will also stuff the Lord’s Supper in their little mouths. Since infants miscarry, and they hold to original sin, they also use intrauterine baptism. Since Campbellites baptize believers, they deny original sin for the age of accountability. Since Mormons require a Mormon baptism, they invented baptism for dead relatives. Baptismal regeneration or salvation is a terrible lie that has corrupted “Christianity.” Modern translations and commentators show a profane perversity by corrupting this point. They must at all costs maintain the RCC heresy and premise that baptism saves the soul. Therefore, when they find God denying their profanity, they alter His words like in Eden. They change the words filth of the flesh … to … dirt of the body in words or meaning. The terms here define, demand, and prove design of water baptism – no means of salvation. Water baptism does not remove or take away sins or sin nature in any literal or real way.The condition for baptism is a good conscience, which requires maturity and regeneration! A bad conscience is under condemnation and guilt of sin without remedy (Hebrews 10:1-3). A good conscience must hear and believe the true gospel of forgiveness and justification.
By the resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Proper baptism, burial and resurrection in water, is a figurative picture of Jesus’ resurrection. The connection here defines, demands, and proves the mode of water baptism – immersion. Baptism must be a figure of salvation in Jesus Christ, for that is what is written thus far. Baptism must be a figure of Jesus Christ’s resurrection by connection to this last phrase. Only baptism by immersion has a figure or picture of any kind at all of body resurrection.Similar threads
